Could We Have Some Honesty Here ,Please- 2

Camillia84
Exactly what I am saying. I loved Daves the way it was. I tried the other site but still felt impelled to come back here. I don't understand why all of this is happening but I am a very mellow take life as it is type person and I don't like being in the middle of all this bickering, backstabing, argueing, BS.
I have been married for 21 years and in that 21 years we have had 1 arguement...
Thats the way I like to live my life. If this remains the same DG as it has always been, I will stay but I get the feeling that there is a huge undertoe that is going to suck us all under and I don't want to be a part of that.
So, I guess I will just sit back and see which way the current flows.

I think once this is all resolved, which looks like it will happen soon, everything will calm down. I certainly hope that those who talk about leaving will rethink their position and stay on; as the two last posters mentioned, DG has a lot to offer. I'm a member of Cubits, too, but somehow it doesn't seem as easy to navigate as DG, nor are the sections as easy to find and explore for me. I spend most of my time here, too.

Same here. A lot on cubits is the exact same stuff postd here on DG by the same people on the specific Plants Forums. But I love Mama Jack's Cubit, (I look even tho I can't buy!) and Ella's is one of the best and I am really enjoying her stories. There are a lot more great articles over there on Cubits that I have really enjoyed reading.

I really hope both survive and continue to grow.

Thanks for the Dmail, Fairy1004. It was helpful and I was able to locate the "Internet Brand's Actions" thread to see what started it all. I feel much better informed after coming into this discussion so late in the game...

I do want to say that I have no plans to go anywhere, anytime soon. I started my membership with DG 2 years ago and have been very happy with the site. I know that it's possible to get a lot of gardening info on the web that is given here at DG, but it's well worth the $20 a year to have it at my fingertips then to spend an astronomical amount of time doing research.

Also, I work for a public company that has acquired various other companies over the years. It's always the same. You buy out the company and "usually" bring on the other company's Head Honcho as some part of the newly merged version. There are all kinds of things involved as part of the process (that I don't necessarily understand)... Such as money (of course, that's always a biggie) and legalities. If you don't stick to the rules of the process, there will be consequences.

But the biggest thing that happens in this type of thing is that people take sides. It's horrible, but it is human nature. I don't know if a lot of you are literal friends or family of Dave and his wife, but I'm sure a lot of us are not. Therefore, the best thing to do is let them work it out and hope that nothing actually related to the site will change. I do not plan to leave this site. I love it. And even though Dave or whoever has put a lot of time and effort into the mechanics of the site, I find that I get the best info from the peers. I ask a question and get an answer. It's like Facebook for gardening :)

I'm sorry to see that a lot of claws have come out. But, I guess that's what politics is like in any situation.

Have a great day - Go garden :D

LLL, thanks for injecting some humor into this.

Well stated 3L's. Let's just chill and wait for the results, it won't be for a while so let's try to get back on track with Recipes and Gardening and Pets.......it's perfectly acceptable to opt out for a while, I do it sometimes when getting overwhelmed with comments and minutia. Take a DG break, no need to burn a bridge.

LLL - a pictures says a thousand words . . . well said!

LOLOLOL I do love that pic... It says it all :-)

oh that cat pic is priceless

heathrjoy, you ARE 100% wrong. You did not see in the Brugmansia forum how much serious DIRTY work DAVE had to do. D I R T Y. And we wont even go into (a) co-op that went terribly wrong, and authorities were notified, by DAVE.

I honestly did not read ANYTHING else you wrote on this post. I have been reading EVERYTHING you and others have written, for the past 4 days, and it got boring reading the same things over and over, so I skip ahead waiting to see who will step in to calm the storm. Honestly in the end it does not matter one bit what any of us want, or think. It's between Dave and IB.

I am SO sad this has happened to "DavesGarden" it will NEVER be the same. I am guessing IB did not know what they were getting into, when they bought "the community". Dave would have NEVER EVER let this go on like this. "We" don't need to "vent" we need to either deal with it, or move on. That's the way it had always been. We have always survived, tho some more battered than others. This one I fear is different, I have seen too many people (who are "friends") argue, fight, and say mean things. I have seen long time members who have invested HOURS (if not months) of their life.. leave. Dave worked literally 24/7 when he owned this site. If there was a serious problem, he was on it, no matter the time OR day. He has even given out his home phone number on a post so people can speak to him. Gone are those days. I will stay here, as I feel "comfortable", and know my way around. I know (as of now) if I have a question about what a plant is, I will know within a matter of hours thanks to the people of the ID forum. Also with bugs, birds, etc. The PlantFiles can't be beat. "DavesGarden" has SO much to offer, and people/friends have put literally blood, sweat and tears into it.

I guess I have desensitized myself. I have "been there, done that" with the brug forum, lost MANY good/great friends, and SO much precious information. BUT we all have moved on, we are all doing okay, and enjoying LIFE. God is good, and this too shall pass. We all live to learn. Everyone good or bad that we meet in life makes up a fraction of who we are. It's up to us what we take from that person or experience. Many times we take both as a reminder of who we want to be.

Has everybody seen this?

http://blog.patyuen.com/2010/05/12/tyler-waitt-former-owner-of-model-mayhem-files-lawsuit-against-internet-brands/

~marilyn

That's pretty easy to read. And casts even more doubt on the validity of IB in general.

Shelly221 wrote

Well said. Mirrors my feelings very well.

I've lost the April Fools Joke... Dave's Garden has been sold again THREAD
Anyone know where I can find it?

Aguane, it is still in the Dave's Garden forum, here:

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1084848/

Aw, thanks, Bookerc1
It seems abbreviated. I remember more posts, for some reason.

Hey everyone,
Hope everyone had a safe and happy Memorial Day weekend...

I'd just like to say that any and all of my posts are not intended to apply to everyone. Please don't think that I was addressing my posts to everyone who has a Cubit, or to anyone who has publicly taken a stand for Dave, or any such thing as that. I did not mean the general DG or Cubit population, lol. Just wanted to be clear on that. =)

Aguane, yes they deleted some recent posts on the April Fool's thread. I was told that:

Maybe Admin. should just delete every post and thread regarding the current issues, get rid of all the negativity, so folks would get back to the day to day chat and discussion about other topics? But, then they would probably have to appoint someone to "watch" every single thread, to monitor the few who want keep the nastiness and negativity in the forefront.

I'm pretty sure they'll rewrite history soon enough here.

I will be happy if circumstances here ever permit things to get back to discussion about other topics. Otherwise, why not just quit watching these few threads regarding "current issues" ?

As far as I know, this may be the only one left open for replies.

After This I All done No Mater Happens i Do Not Plan On Renewing My Member Ship

paul, what ya got for sale?

nothing hon i lost most of my plants this past winter and ive been sick a lot so i just let all the rest die

I was watching this thread at first, but couldn't stand to see my friends acting this way, so I unwatched the thread. I came back today to see if IB had posted anything new since it was Tuesday? No, no post on this thread. However, when I checked to see if maybe a new one had been started ... I found this http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1102879/

That got me thinking. Now why, when he did promise to check in over the week-end why would he answer on that thread (check the time on his post) Why would they leave this thread open and let people keep on with this nasty stuff, causing hurt feelings when no good can possibly come from it? That is, unless whoever said they're making money off of each hit on this thread is correct? That sorta got me.

Well, before I go, and before I get jumped on, there's a couple of things I want to say ...

One is ...
Don't mess with Jo!! She's my friend.

And the other is, I don't have Dave on a pedestal as some have suggested, but don't talk about his character around *me. He and his family are my friends, too. I've never met them, but I've been gardening in his garden since 05. It was *his when I came on the sceen. He built it and nourished it. Other people joined after that, and we have added trees, flowers, pets, and many memories. :-) But at *first ... it was *his. And he asked us to share it with him. And if you came on later and didn't hang out in his garden with him, then you don't know his character. I'm not saying he couldn't have been unaware of something. Have mercy ... I've done that and hated it. I know one thing, though ... Dave would have never allowed this thread to stay opened and let people say these thinggs. He would have closed it so there wouldn't have been hard feelings in his garden. That's the type of character he has.

I'm unwatching this, so you can say whatever you want to about me. It doesn't matter. I love DG and Cubits.
Hugs&blessings ... ~Susan

Well said, Susan!

PS I'm another who's been around for a long time--a member since 2004, subscriber since 2005.

This message was edited Jun 1, 2010 2:53 PM

IO1, if it was Daves side of the story, yes, he would have allowed the threads to stay open. If you own a cubit, you can get the inside scoop over there, but only if you own the cubit. Threads pertaining to this very subject are kept open. And I've seen a thread speaking of "trolls", that has really turned my stomach and change my opinion of your saintly Dave.

I think the thread is kept open here because so many people just create another one if one is closed or deleted.

I think when it started to become nasty the thread would have been closed or people would have been asked to delete the more offensive posts, regardless of whose side the poster was on. At least, that's the way it's always been. Oh, and I've been a member since 2004.

Susan, I was part of that thread above and had the same questions and concerns. I echo your sentiment.

Also, the threads remain open over "there" because they're friendly and supportive...

And it is MY observation that the nastiness and name calling was finally dying down , but Susan, I'm sorry to say that I think your post has begun the controversy all over again.

Because then Butterfly Chaser felt the need to jump in and build on your comment and interject what she considers a brand new negative situation. Next thing you know, more people might take sides or bring their own opinions into the discussion.

This will never end, I'm afraid. I would like to see personal opinions kept out of it, regardless of which side you're on.

Well, you must have missed the thread about the "trolls". I saw a few threads there that were, in my opinion, ugly, and if I'm not mistaken, Dave himself started one. I see now they've been deleted, so I can't link you to them. He's cleaned it up. In my opinion, some of it never should have been posted there, like here.

It's funny how people consider a thread "friendly and supportive" only if they cheer Dave on and bash IB for doing what they are within their legal rights to do. I see absolutely nothing friendly and cheerful about calling someone a troll. I'm glad to see Dave removed it. But I have to say, I'm quickly losing interest in the new site after seeing some of these attitudes.

This message was edited Jun 1, 2010 2:06 PM

ButterflyChaser i have been checking out both sides as I wish to be fair, I just reread the thread in Question and it has non of the nastiness that has been going on over here. In fact D has made only one post over on it and It was not nasty. In the old days non of this nastiness would have been allowed here. And I do not see anything on that thread to make anyone stomach turn.

what part was ugly the one about our singing or the silly sayings people us?
this is my last lost on this thread.

This message was edited Jun 1, 2010 3:10 PM

No, I didn't miss that thread. I saw it. But my point was that by mentioning it here, it could easily have brought up a lot of negative postings.

Using terms like comments like this ... "It's funny how people consider a thread "friendly and supportive" only if they cheer Dave on and bash IB for doing what they are within their legal rights to do" .... can only make the divied even larger, because the next thing you know, someone will take offense and jump into the fray.

I saw that Trish has asked for the conversation to please stop. She wants people to get over it and let them deal with it themselves. And go back to Cubit building. So I'm all for that - on BOTH threads.