Plant Propagation part XXXVII based on my own experience

Dawn:

Hopefully the surgery will also provide renewal. Sometimes you have to be pushy in a hospital, so they notice your existence. Good luck with it being fast and effective. Good luck getting a hunky young PT afterwards.


Jnette:

>> Don't know what Corey's issue is.

Busy busy busy. Work varies wildly, and sometimes a boss snoops over my shoulder. But the money is good.

This thread is ACTIVE! Hard to keep up. Sometimes i let it go for a few days and have to scroll for miles.

Time to go home, "if you don't go home, you can't come back".

Corey

I am here. I worked in the garden yesterday in 100 degrees and over did it. I worked in the garden again today but after dinner when the area I was working in was in complete shade. We were 102 today, 105 tomorrow and 108 Thursday. Now Corey. that is hot.

We have GD's high school graduation tomorrow. Over 500 students graduating so it will be a long day. She is one of 8 Valedictorians and has a 1 minute speech. The only bad part is you leave when it is over and gather in front of the center and wait for the graduate to show. OK, picture this, outside, no shade, and 105 degrees. Not a pretty picture.

Lee, the plant you sent me is about 8 inches high and has the most darling flower on it. Tomorrow, I will take a photo. Everything Jnette sent me bit the dust. I think they thought they were sent to hell.

So I will return but probably not until Thursday. Be safe. Sharon

Cross Post.

>> We were 102 today, 105 tomorrow and 108 Thursday. Now Corey. that is hot.

True by any standards!

Here in western WA, they start panting and complaining about the heat around 80 ... and anything below 40 is "freezing".

I've started wimping out too, compared to living in humid parts of CT, NJ & NY. Not like YOUR "hot", but still hot enough to make me sweat.

Corey

Where do you work Corey? Probably Boeing. Were you transferred,or is this new? And how long have you been in the PNW? Big change for a Joisey boy.

Oh oh now JB is going to yell at me again. It will take you a long time to get that out of your system. Did you have a choice of coming out here? That's ok. you will learn to love it. Do you have a family?

Yeah, just being nosy. But that's part of being on our forum here. How did you find us anyway? Think Katie drug over wasn't it? She's kind of cool.

Well nite you all. Take care Dawn. Give us a note when you can.

I am with you, Jeanette! I don't like this new format either. And the fact that many of our posts get sent into cyberspace...Oh, well.

I IS weird typing in the middle box now. I tried to fix the position by going into the "My Tools" section, then changing the position, but it just didn't work. I thought I might have done something by accident, but you say they are changing the format of DG. Well, it is good that they "allowed" cubits to operate.

Sharon ~ The pink rain lily is going to send me another flower tomorrow, as a new bud has emerged. Also the pink verbena is now starting to bloom today. The hibiscus is still in recovery mode.

Dawn ~ Good luck with your surgery. And speedy recovery!

Corey ~ It is summer now, so if you still have 70° weather, sharon and I and who know who else will be at your doorstep. I hope you have lots of guest rooms.

Katie ~ It is good to have you home. Once you settle in, please share what you can about your adventures in CA.

Ruby ~ Cyber-gods? LOL!! So that is what is going on! I am glad someone has an explanation...


Well, I have to go now. Sleep well everyone

Yes Corey, and the humidity in Washington doesn't even compare with the East coast. But we all still complain. I shouldn't say we 'cause over here on the other side of the mountains it is dry. No humidity.

It is drier and warmer. Almost said hotter. But, we whimper over here if we get in the 90s. Guess we are just wusses. Our blood is thicker up here than where Sharon is. So when it gets hot then we feel it more. In the higher heats the blood is thinner so they are cold when they get up here.

You see, we don't get the heat more than a few days at a time. So our blood doesn't thin out. If it does, then we get cold when the temps drop a bit.

Hi Jnette ... my co-worker has been in Bellingham for about a year now. I think the weather did require some adjustment on his part... but he was so thrilled to be retired and out of LA that I think he took it all in stride. He sure sounds happy there...

My husband and I took a trip up through the Pacific Northwest a few years ago and had a wonderful time in Washington... one of my best memories is of the lavender fields in Washington state... the colors and scents were amazing! .....and we found the absolutely best fish and chips in Port Angeles!! LOL!! We stayed at a lovely bed and breakfast there and spent our mornings whale watching from the cliffs while we drank our coffee... the B&B owner had a fantastic cottage style garden. We really enjoyed visiting the state. The only down side was that my poor husband got bit by a brown recluse spider while we were there.... but thankfully he has fully recovered from that.

JB.... the tomatoes look wonderful.... mine aren't in nice neat rows like that... a little more informal.... looks like you will have tons of tomatoes this year. Are they all the same variety? This year I have lots and lots of peppers.... I planted 22 sweet pepper plants and 4 chilis... I admit I got carried away... but I was thinking salsa, peppers and eggs and cucumber salad with sweet peppers!! That is what happens if you garden when you're hungry I guess! :)

Hi Dave!

Nancy

Hi Everyone,

After not sleeping at all the night I got home I managed to stay up all day yesterday, then sllept at least twelve hours. Am feeling much more human now. The dogs and I started the day with a rousing game of "mauling mom" so they are all calm now and I can finish waking up.

Tony is here and says Fely (his wife) was thrilled with the stainless steel cookware set I brought her. We don't have many consumer goods here and what we have tend to be overpriced and hot very well made. Fely has a huge extended family so when I upgrade, they upgrade. I remember once walking in town to do my errands and seeing at least four people whom I didn't know wearing t-shirts I had brought for Tony's family. As I get my kitchen organized (will it ever get done?) I send extras home with Tony.

It was dificult getting through the border on my way up so I cancelled plans to see my friend in Exeter and will see her later this summer. Seeing Amma takes a lot of energy. I used to spend more time with her but it can be stressful and tiring so six days was plenty. It was very peaceful and also very tiring. I didn't get much sleep and I caught a cold - both par for the course. I'm almost over the cold and an still feeling very peaceful.

Besides seeing Amma and some of her follerers that I've known for many years I met some new friends and had some very nice connections. Met a young man who seeds oyster muchrooms in toxic dumps in South America. That was fun, talking about "Greening the Desert" (on YouTube) and fungi and cleaning up the environment.

Had a great lunch with my friend Patricia. We laughed the entire hour. We met through Amma over twenty years ago and have many good memories - and some really funny ones. One of my new friends is a transgender person who looks like James Brown wearing a woman's wig. It was his first time with Amma so I explained some things like how the apple she gave him each time he got a hug were a special belssing.

After one hug, Amma sked (through her translater) where I am living now bebcause, she said, she hasn't seen me as much as she used to. I explained that I'm living in Mexico now but assurred her that I'm always "with my Amma." She gave me an apple. That was incredible.She's hugged at least 31 million people, travels constantly, seeing thousands of people a day and, to me, she said, basically, "Where have you been? Haven't seen you much lately." I know she loves and cares for all of us but I really like it when she pours on a llittle extra reminder. She has been of so much help to me. You can read about her and her humanitarian work at www.amma.org or www.embracing the world.org. She says, "My relgion is love."

I say my dentist in Chula Vista nd, for the first time, had an adult tooth pulled (for being 70 I think that's pretty good). He told me all my other teeth are in good shape and was coomplimentary about the care I've gotten for them. I like sompliments.

Brought home four marked-down sad-looking bluberry plants from Wal-Mart. Supposed to be low-chill. My three from Logees are hanging in.

Our hot and humid weather has arrived and I slept in my air-conditioned bedroom last night for the first time this year.

Tony did his usuall wonderful job of taking care of things. Even did some clean-up in the kitchen which is a huge help. We lost a few small plants but still have a lot, including about a dozen small cherimoya trees. Down to one arhat plant - keeping my fingers crossed.

My Temple Godess Brug is putting ona show - twenty beautiful white flowers. Twostrictum (epis) are blooming for the first time.

Jen are you having shoulder surgery? Ted (TPlant) just had his right shoulder completely replaced. He has a thread in the Accessible Gardening Forum about it. Hope your surgery is not as intensive; that all goes well and you have a blissful recovery.

Almost done but one last thing. I think I have mentioned the nasty sores I get on my arms (and ledgs and face sometimes). They have plagued me for years. I've gotten to where I give them the best treatment my doctor and I have figured out and I live with them. I did not ask Amma for a healing as I figure if it's time for them to be healed completely she'll take care of it. Until then, maybe there's a reason for them - like they remind me to wash a lot, especially after playing in the dirt. Within an hour of my leaving Amma to head for home a new friend showed my a powder she had gotten in Amma's bookstore than was drying up some bites she had gotten. I quickly bough some and have been applying it and it's working miracles The sores are drying up and healing.

Now if Amma would just care of my extra weight!! Some pray to be made whole; I pray to be made half.

love you all and am glad to be back.

hugs, katie

I forgot to tell you that one of my dragonfruitplants has two flowers on it!!!

kb

good morning campers:

Ruby: I can apreciate your distaste of nasty posts. trust me we don't do that here and we do not tolerate it. anything that gets nasty and out of hand will be delt with very swiftly. I know jb jeanette and sharon all take little jabs at each other and its all fun. Had someone told me it was not I would stop it.

jeanette: be carefull doing a top dress of triple 20. I would try like a 1/2 a teaspon maybe less to start. It does depend on the makeup of the fertilizer. how big is the pot? how much is amonia nitrate and how much is urea? amonia nitrate releases imeadiately where the urea has to be broken down by water and time. If it were me I would do something like osmocote or dynamite on the potted plants. on the ground is onething but a potted plant you can fry quickly. it has less soil to disperse the fertilizer into and a compact root zone.
If you do over do the top dress you can pull off the excess fertilizer and drench the rootball several times to flush it out of the soil.

JB the tomatoes look great.

Corey:
you need to amend the clay with something to bust up the clay. we use a product put out by back to nature its cotton seed hulls. it does wonders for the soil structure. if you are composting I would till some in to the garden every year befoe long you will have a nice garden soil. we do raised beds so we can work out our soil issues in advance. the problem I have is my BIL compacted the mushroom compost/topsoil mix so its tough to grow in untill i get it roto tilled. he thinks he know everything and when I told him not to compact it he just did it more. Jerk....
I am glad he is out of the house. best thing he ever did was to allow his girls to finish high school here. Last one has one year left then onto cullinary arts school at an associates degree college. its a part of the 4 year Oklahoma state university. they have 4 satalite schools for trades.
We are experiencing a cold spell now its only 90 degrees for the high. i don't care who or where you are anything over 90 is hot. I know I could not take the washington weather and kim loves it up there. she has trouble with the heat and humidity so I am guessing we are stuck in and along interstate 40 for the most part.

I am turning my grow room into a shipping and stained glass studio. I just have to raise the $$$ for a new diamond ring - saw. it uses a round blade that spins. the blades are incrusted with diamonds to cut glass. I really loved the one I had but i thought I would not be back into it and a new model had just come out so i thought I would sell it and then buy a new one when I started back up again.

well time to get moving outside One more week of shipping and then its on hold till mid to late auguat and then untill late october. I wont be doing the seed cart this winter as I had more trouble with it than its worth. I am loaning it to my dad so he can do veggie starts.

ok I have rattled on long enough JB and Jeanette go to your corners and wait for the bell...lol
The pic is of a dl cross i started from seed. I am thinking about posting it on market place or tinker's garden.

Dave

Good Morning, fellow inmates

Jnette,
>> Where do you work Corey? Probably Boeing.

Indirectly: I work for Crane Aerospace (they bought out Eldec and Hydro-Aire). I used to be on a project where crane worked for GE who worked for Boeing (Third Tier supplier). Then Boeing reached forth its mighty hand and made us work for them directly, so they could beat us up more easily. So I was briefly a SECOND Tier supplier.

Then we finsihed the brake control (antiskid etc) for the 787, and I got put to work briefly on an Italian jet trainer (Aermachi brake system rework, from a 2002 project, MUCH simpler than the 787).

Now I'm working on an Airbus Military project in Spain, the A400M - brakes again, but wierd because the military plans on working even with holes going through-and-through the system, which adds whole new levels of challenge.

And that project is almost over. I don't know where I'll be working when the music stops: call me a migrant laborer. Embraer? The "stretch" 787? It could be anything aviation-related, this indiustry is incredibly inbred.

Evelyn,
>> Corey ~ It is summer now, so if you still have 70° weather, sharon and I and who know who else will be at your doorstep. I hope you have lots of guest rooms.

Only if the Borg-condos a-building next door rent out rooms. When I took over housing the New Bee stash, I had to hang the cat from the ceiling to make room.

Maybe in the shed ...

Dave,
>> you need to amend the clay with something to bust up the clay

Yeah, totally. I could use 10 yards of any kind of organic matter, if I could wheelbarrow that much without my legs falling off.

I did buy a yard each of fine pine bark mulch and coarse sand, and all the compost I feel I can afford (way not enough), by the 1-cubic-rfoot-bag. I amend one raised bed at a time, about 1/2 as much as it really needs, then grow things in it and top-dress with compost & mulch.

If I had more sunny space, I would SLIGHTLY amend the very top layer of clay that I've excavated (and am screeneing a fe wwheelbarrows at a time) ... and grow radishes and clover and Fall Rye on top to make my own compost. (The sunny sports all have raised beds now, or bushes that I hope management doesn't notcie I am gradually yanking out and replacing with RBs.)

If I had access to a truck that I could get filthy and smelly, I would take free biolsolids from the town of Everett. I hate to pay for delivered Cedar Grove "compost" - reading the fine print, it is made with lots of sawdust, then they add more sawdust, then they add more wood-product-waste ... then charge about what I pay per bag for "steer manure compost". Sigh.

I better get to work before they notice!

BTW, our "Landing Systems" division must have noticed the team slogan we whimpered while working on 787 brakes: "Make it STOP!"

The whole "Landing Systems" division just took on the slogan "STOP IT!"

Our sensing division copyed them and now uses "SENSE IT" as a motto.

We also make first-seats airline seats' motion control and fancy doo-dads: "MOVE IT".

I would have used different mottos, but then I'm from Joisey so whaddo I know?

"Sense THIS!"
"Sit On THIS!"

Corey

Dave, not sure what you mean by top dressing with triple 20? I am talking about water soluble and watering with it. You think not? Maybe I should use the tarantula etc. first. I kind of hate to use that on my petunias and other annuals tho. Altho I don't know why not, it seems like that is what I am spending most of my time, energy and money on. Because it has been so cold the roots haven't grown a lot I am sure. Now that it is warming up, the tops probably won't grow because there aren't enough roots to support them. Huh?

Now what do you think?

One more thing Dave, since this is a propagation forum, I didn't prune my 9 Bark that I have in a pot on the deck and it is really growing. Do you think I could cut it back now, 'course it is just getting ready to bloom too, maybe I should wait 'til it blooms, and then prune it back and try to root some cuttings? But then since I am sure it is under patent what would I do with them? According to you and JB, I can give them away but not sell them. But what if whoever I give them to propagates them and sells them? Then what?

What if I give one to JB, she's always out to make a buck, and the propagation cops cat

Dave, not sure what you mean by top dressing with triple 20? I am talking about water soluble and watering with it. You think not? Maybe I should use the tarantula etc. first. I kind of hate to use that on my petunias and other annuals tho. Altho I don't know why not, it seems like that is what I am spending most of my time, energy and money on. Because it has been so cold the roots haven't grown a lot I am sure. Now that it is warming up, the tops probably won't grow because there aren't enough roots to support them. Huh?

Now what do you think?

One more thing Dave, since this is a propagation forum, I didn't prune my 9 Bark that I have in a pot on the deck and it is really growing. Do you think I could cut it back now, 'course it is just getting ready to bloom too, maybe I should wait 'til it blooms, and then prune it back and try to root some cuttings? But then since I am sure it is under patent what would I do with them? According to you and JB, I can give them away but not sell them. But what if whoever I give them to propagates them and sells them? Then what?

What if I give one to JB, she's always out to make a buck, and the propagation cops catch her, she says she didn't know they were under patent 'cause I didn't tell her? She would love to see me in stripes. LOL She would bring me some gruel.

Some Diablo ninebark prunings at my house fell from a tin of rootone into a pot of promix and accidentally took root, when I wasn't looking. About half of them grew. Right where they fell. The softer wood seemed to enjoy falling and growing in a new place more. I was sooo surprised!

Dropping in to say hello. Wanted to wish Dawn the best of luck with the surgery. Check in with an update when you can Dawn.

Happy growing to everyone.

Ruby

Celene, that is so cool. What did you do with them. I need to look at the tag on mine for the name. Something about Center Coral Nine Bark. I will have to look at the tag on it.

They rooted that easy huh? What time of year was it? Maybe that is what made it easy. What kind of cutting were they?

Yes, we should hear from Dawn sometime in a few days. I would bet she will be pretty sore for a while. I have heard that surgery is very painful.

Have a good surgery, Dawn. Lots of prayers going out for you.

hugs, katie

Howdy everyone:
yes I would go ahead and water with the water soluble and the tarantula at least once to get some of the little guys moving in the soil.
now is the time for propagation and its full swing (saaawing).

Corey: how composted is their sawdust bark and wood particles? I know when all that breaks down it heats up the soil and can cook roots if its really fresh. not to mention the nitrogen being used to break all that down.
I am like you I buy my soil a bag at a time. I am looking at changing soils because miricle grow did something to their soil because it doesn't feel right.

Ruby: do you have a pic of the hillside with daylilies? it should be in full swing now. I am getting some great flowers from my 3 yr old crosses.

here is another pic from today.

the beauty of these new flowers is that i get to name them as they are new croses. sorry but I cross posted and had to get the last word in

Dawn you are in my prayers for a short surgury and rabid recovery.
Dave

Let's make that a rapid recovery.

kb

>> Corey: how composted is their sawdust bark and wood particles? I know when all that breaks down it heats up the soil and can cook roots if its really fresh. not to mention the nitrogen being used to break all that down.

I wish i was adding enoguh risk cooking! No, cold wspring + rain = cool roots.

But the Nitrogen depletion is a very good point, I don't know how I forgot that. I've been thinking "don't overdo the chemical fertilizer", but now I'm thinking: "So THAT's why everything is so slow and pathetic this spring!"

I added more bark to counteract the reversion to claty as last years' compost is digested, but forgot to supplement the N.

ARRGH. Time for some water-soluble ferts, and sprinkle/rake in some generic lawn-fertilizer pellets.

Corey

Hold it Corey!! Dave, I thought you all with clay soil used gypsum!! I have never had clay, so never tried it, but I thought that was what you said.

Dave, you didn't answer me about the patents on the 9 bark. My post above Celene's.

>> gypsum

I've heard some people praise it and others see little difference. It is cheap, so i boguht & sprinkled.

It's no miracle cure!

But gee, Calcium Sulphate? It couldn't hurt.

Excuse me: "it cudn #$%^&*$# hoit".

Corey

I took my ninebark cuttings in April, dipped them in rootone and stuck about 15 of them in a gallon pot with promix. About half of them lived. They were softwood cuttings, I think it's harder to root chunky hardwood.

So what did you do with the ones that lived Celene? I mean, you can reproduce a lot that way, but then what? That is what I was asking Dave.

Flowers are one thing, but shrubs like the 9 Barks take up a lot more room.

J nette:

I posted a link to the Patent and Trademark Office's rules regarding patented plants.

The patent absolutely prohibits any asexual reproduction of a patented plant. It doesn't matter if you give it away or sell it. The plain language says that if you reproduce the plant via cuttings you are in violation of the patent.

A.

Thanks Amanda. I did read that and it used to make sense to me but I am getting too old to bother reading it carefully any more.

Glad you gave it to me in plain language. Thank you.

I traded them at the ORVG Roundup, of course. Every year, someone wants those, or Hakuri Nishiki willow. I need to trim back some viburnum that is keeping me from opening my garage door, I'll risk a gallon pot of soil and see how they do.

I have a couple of small Aglaia odorata,they snapped off the plant when I bought it, I was surprised they rooted. The plectranthus ernstii that I trimmed off my large plant, no shock they're rooting well. It's a nice plant, though no particular challenge to grow or root. I like a plant that grows out well without feeling like you're married to it.

I'm completely over the "Oh, this plant cost more than my car on Ebay, grows only in the buttcrack of Sumatran leaf monkeys and it needs watered with the tears of saints and simply must be fertilized with composted $50 bills" gardening philosophy. This being said, I grow enough fussy gesneriads, but only if the foliage or flower or overall look is worth it, and if the plant is a prima donna, it'd better be spectacular or it will end up composted and fertilizing something that is more rewarding. hahaha...that sounded so mean, but so true for me. I use it to threaten poor growers and unrepentant PITA plants.

Good morning Everyone,

I've been wetting sphagnum moss and coir, getting ready to pot up some of my seedlings. Also trimmed and added sphagnum moss to my four new blueberries.

It is hot and humid and it will only get worse over the next few months. Tony picked up a gallon of fresh orange juice on his way here today - one of the perks of living here.

I'm with Celene on plants. I call my place "Darwin's Garden." No pampered plants here, except I'm watching over my last arhat carefully. This year I also got a lot of seeds for flowers that should do well here with emphasis on those which might reseed themselves. I have one hibiscus that flowers almost constantly in spite of white moldy-looking stuff it often has on it. I've planted other hibiscus but they haven't survived.

Tony got lots more tires while I wqas gone and he's been working in the arroyo though it's getting hotter there by the day. I'm almost over my cold but it takes me several weeks to regain some energy after a trip to Ca. so I haven't joined him yet. I did get some laundry done yesterday.

With lots of potting soil prepared I now get to the fun part - planting the seeds. In this weather many of them pop up almost instantly. Wish the weather invigorated me the way it does many of the plants. Almost none of the seeds I tried to start before I went to Ca. have germinated. A lot of them were fussy ones so now I'm going to do things like zinnias. Speaking of which do any of you follow the zinnia adventures of the Zen person on the hybridizing forum? He has posted some amazing pictures of crosses he has done.

Well, much as I would really like to go back to bed I am going to return to playing in the dirt.

hugs, katie

Which Viburnum is it Celene? LOL, guess I travel in different circles than you do. I have never known people to care what a plant costs unless of course it is to determine how badly they want the plant to pay the price.

Celene, what is your USDA zone? Just curious. In other words, you don't buy any plant that will not grow in your zone? Like house plants. The thing I have come to feel about them is that somewhere they are a plant that grows outside. So, if it can't take the cold weather that we have, and I want it bad enough, it is going to be a house plant. Then if I want it bad enough, I have to do what I can to imitate it's native environment.

Do you have any houseplants?

Good morning ...ooops afternoon:
Jeanette amanda is correct you are not suposed to do anything but enjoy the # of plants you have paid for.

Yes gypsum is suposed to work and I too have had folks tell me both great things and not so great things about it. My best advise is to amend the soil with organic matter. Some people have told me they (top dress) mulch their plants with compost. I wish I knew if it worked its way into the soil. it must or where else would it go every year. I just like to know things for sure before I advise to do it. Made to many mistakes that way.
I worked at one nursery that the owner was saying you can't put too much milorganite in the hole of a planting. that was untill a guy came back and wanted a new plant because he put a whole bag in each planting hole. Its the old if some is good more is better way of thinking.

Right now you want to take cuttings that are not hard and woody but also not weak and flimsy either. I am planning to try doing some yew and a red leaf norway (I think) maple Its got the leaf like the canadian flag but dark purple colored.
and seeds lots of seeds at the moment. I have 12 trays to do so I should keep busy today.
have a great day
Dave

Now Dave, I think, even tho that is right, that definition is pretty darned rigid. If I bought a plant and wanted more of them in different places around my yard and could start them from cuttings, I think I would be pretty stupid to go out and spend a fortune buying those plants. Unless, of course, I wanted instant gratification in having all of them the same size.

And I consider myself pretty law abiding. After all I did retire from a law enforcement agency after 22 years. But, I would not consider myself a criminal for doing as I stated above. So I suppose you and Amanda would call me an anarchist. LOL

Jen Girl, it is off to the lock up with you my love. Bad Bad Jen. I have read the patent information several times and having spent so many years reading legal documents I got the same results from it as Amanda did. Yet, I can not imagine, if you have a patented hosta in your yard and you separate it and keep it someplace else in your yard it would be difficult for the "Plant Police" to prove you are in violation of this Patent Law.

I was hoping that the patents from Canada would not be valid in the USA and I can find nothing about that. Amanda, did you find anything like that. A patent is a patent and is good everywhere according to what I read. So, if you want to trade and sell, watch for the PP on all the plants you purchase. I told you I bought some that did not have that on and they were all Canadian Patented. Makes me so furious. I do not have space for plants I can not propagate. Thanks Amanda for checking that out for us. It is always good to have two opinions. Hugs to you for that.

Dawn, prayers for you coming from me. Love you! Get well soon.

Have really had a busy day trying to get things irrigated because this dry hot weather is very hard on the Aimees as well as the baby trees. Irrigation hoses running for hours and carrying water for others.

See you later. JB

You seem pretty sketchy, Jnette. lol I'm zone 5b/6a, depending on who you believe.

I have tons of houseplants and some tropicals that I move in and out. Even those, if I can't reasonably grow them with anything more complicated than a pebble tray, they're out. Some plants require growing conditions that I just can't provide, and I'm unlikely to be motivated to move mountains to change the growing conditions.

JB you are right but acording to the definition of the patent its pretty clear. I am sure they know a few propagated plants get taken but its not worth their while to persue. its kind of like the copying of a dvd or misic file. by rights if you do not have a liscense and have not paid for one you can't copy it. I realize dvd's now come with a digital copy for your own use as once you buy the movie its yours.
Have we beaten this horse to death yet??
The plant police are on their way jen. now what was that address???? lol

I agree with you jb I am pretty carefull in what I buy to plant and I end up with a few that the tags say it and I just did not see it when I bought it. I have a rose salvia like that. it sits in its 4" pot untill my mom comes and gets it. she is too far away for me to go get cuttings from her yard. after all 20 min. is a long drive to me, unless I can sleep part of the way.

I did get some pretty good orders this week. got about 300 plants going out. I guess the key was make them cheap enough. most everyone I have there was room to come down in price on them. at this rate I should have done it in april and had the best year ever.
Have a great afternoon
Dave

That's great, Dave. I'm so glad your hard wowrk is paying off.

hugs, katie

OK you patent geniuses. I have baby Japanese Blueberry trees coming up all over my landscape. How do I know if they are patented. I have been putting them in my holding garden and I was going to send them to Dave and JB. I have two and my neighbor has 4. How am I suppose to find out if they are patented. And the seed was probably delivered by a bird. They did not come from cuttings. Also have another tree propagated the same way. I have two I found today. I will get the name. I will return later. Sharon.