Plant Propagation part XXXVII based on my own experience

Oh Dave, I am so happy you are having a good year. The problem is, we lower the prices and get almost nothing for our time and supplies. I am sick of the lowering prices to sell, yet we have to do it to make room. I am trying to think of a way to make up our loses. I had a good year but only because I did some wholesale stuff. Otherwise there is no money out there due to the economy. The landscapers are not making money on the plants, they make their money on their labor. We should learn from that. LOl.

Sharon, like anything else, we can be so careful and yet how do you know for sure. I must say, if there is any chance in hell something someone gives me that I grow is patented, I check it out. Just google the name of the plant. If there is a patent someplace in the background, you can be sure it will show up. That is what I have been doing. If not. Go for it.
O.K. Dave, we will stop now, but really it is a very good subject when you think about it.
So many people and I bet we know some, do not really care, that is what scares me. We have ethics, many backyard growers never give it a thought. A man from the UK told me he never heard of Patented Plants. Was that on this forum or another? That did not surprise me. I learned when I bred birds that may people who bought them had no idea they had to buy a license from the State within 20 days to keep the bird in NJ. HA! They soon learned when they got the sales slip from me because the bird was already registered. I had no choice if I wanted to keep my license.
Most people just play around and plant what they like without thinking about anything else. That is The way a hobby should be. Enjoy.
Going to bed. Had a rough day trying to keep things watered as I told you earlier. We had a storm but not much rain. I hate those dry storms. Scary lightening. Yikes. Nite all.

Hmmmm sketchy, licking my pencil tip, one for my book Celene, now if you will tell me what it means. LOL

DAVE, JB, waving my arm over my head furiously. "I am trying to think of a way to make up our loses." (BTW JB, it is spelled "losses")
I got it! Sell cuttings from patented plants!! snicker, tee hee hee.

Sharon!! Ignorance is no excuse! You know that. Meet you at the Cross Bar Hotel.

That's what you call dry lightning JB. It is what starts fires.

Had a tough day today. Got two packages., One was from the lady in GA I told you about. Wow she really sent me some good stuff. I can hardly wait to try it. Several different rices, coating for fish to fry, gumbo, Jambalaya, shrimp and crab boil, blackened seasoning, Think that's it. All Zatarain's brand. We don't get their products here so it will be fun trying it.

THEN, I got 2 Earthboxes with all the stuff, and it was suppose to go to a guy in Hawaii. And, my covers I ordered for mine probably went to him. Think I got the best of the deal on that one. His dad included a card to him. I really feel bad. I called Earthbox people and hope they can straighten it out. His son is going to wonder what in the world is he going to do with 3 red covers that look like big shower caps. LOL

Well, I will Google the names and see what I find.

I took a few photos so I will post them.

The first photo is the "Blue Flower" Lee sent me. It is so small but so beautiful because it is blooming. I have another "blue" plant from Evelyn but not blooming. We are 110 today.

This is one of two tropical Hibiscus that spent the winter in the third car garage in pots.

One of my first cannas to bloom. A new variety.

Before photo of tomato garden.

Today's photo of tomato garden.

Before photo on thr garden going up the driveway toward the house. I think about 5 months ago.

Photo taken right before I went to Washington state pf driveway garden.

Before photo of pot at top of driveway.

Photo a few weeks ago of pot. There are two pots but they are identical. These pots were butt ugly yellow before I painted them. They are made out of resin.

Another angle of same pot, I think. Forgot to post photo. See below.

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This is a tree that spent the winter in the garage. Purple hanging flower. I cannot remember name. I will look it up.

A very invasive vine sent to me by Pirl on DG from New York. I have it in a pot. Third year and it is really ready to take off. I saw it for sale in Washington state during my visit at several nurseries..

Everything looks good Sharon. What does your temperature get down to at night? I think that is why our tomatoes take so long. Because the night time temps get down so low. 'course it doesn't help that each day is totally different. Today I don't think it got to 65. It will be like that for a week. Then all of a sudden it will get up to 85. And of course the night times fluctuate along with the daytime temps.

How long have you lived in your house Sharon? Just curious. Now I see that all the ones in the last picture are in pots. Do you change those often? Are they perennials or annuals?

I see those nice big tomatoes on you plants. They will be red before long in your temperatures. I showed Bob your tomatoes and he wants to know if you have any bacon down there. I told him yes, you also grow a hog to go with the tomatoes.

Propagating Our Way Into Prison

(I'm reminded of Archi Bunker who "didn't want no reproduction on HIS coffee table!")

Jnette

You could take some comfort in the thought that if they hauled you off to prison for propagating a plant for your own use, we would all viist you in prison and tease you mercilessly.

My suggestion is to let the name tag fall off the plant before you take the cutting, providing the defense: "I forgot which one it was". Unless you get a jury capable of distinguishing one cultivar from another from photos, they might have to do a plant DNA test to lock you up.

>> The patent absolutely prohibits any asexual reproduction
>> of a patented plant. It doesn't matter if you give it away or sell it.

I thought about that. It does NOT seem to prohibit SEXUAL propagation, so we should be allowed to collect F2 seeds from the patented F1 hybrid plant, and grow them.

And select and cross the F2 & F3 offspring for traits we like, like "looks a lot like the parent".

It seems to me that the exact words do not forbid us to take, grow and even sell cuttings from plants that WE grew from seed.

In other words,
buy the F1 plant
collect F2 seeds
grow out many F2 seeds
select
take F2 cuttings
root F2 cuttings
plant, give away (or even sell) F2 cuttings
(NOT using the patented name, but probably giving credit)

That might skirt the intent of the law, but I wouldn't feel bad about any part of that other than "and sell".

If it really was a rare and fragile recessive trait that they managed to create, maybe almost none of the offspring will show it.

Jnette, if you want to get criminally rich, you have to be a lawyer. Don't sell cutttings of patented plants to get rich. Sell patented plants with the "PP" in very small print. Then get rich suing anyone who propagates them.

Sue people who grow anything that looks remotely like them.

Sue people who WALK PAST plants that like it.

Sue anyone that moves.

I think that is the path to criminal riches.

Corey

The Zinnia Zen Man

Yeah, cool guy. He got me excited about selecting back to a certain kind of Zinnia that Idecided I wanted. I discussed with him what varieties to start from. well, it turns out that are already many cultivars JUST like what I hoped to work towards.

So I bought some Benary Giants, Oklahoma and Gem in Scarlets, Oranges and Yellows, and saved myself years of fun. And the frustration of having early rains turn my seedheads to mold. And low pollination rates.

Corey

Sharon,

Good point! What if a patented plant puts out runners? It propagated itself! We have to send the plant to jail!

But if your ill-gotten trees came from seeds, they were sexually propagated and you are off the hook.

They would not even need to find and arrest the bird.

Corey

Corey you are hilarious.

Jnette, I probably have over 40 pots. I have a major problem with neighbor's tree roots going under fence to suck up my water. I also have two very large African Sumac in the back and one in the front. They are always sending out roots looking for water. Pots are just easier. Each is on an irrigation line. Then I have about 10 hanging baskets in various areas, also on irrigation.

We have been here 10 years last March. It took the builder over 2 years to build and the landscaper, that charged a bundle, did half of what he said he had done. My main concern was the depth of the landscape soil and the irrigation. I hope someday I accidentally run into that Landscape Architect. It took over 6 months, after starting on the gardening, that I spent getting the landscape soil where and how I wanted it. I was just to busy making money to pay attention. But he did do a great job on my two raised gardens which are on the northwest and southeast side of the home.

Our high today actually was 107 and our low will be 85 and that will be around 2am. But when the sun goes down, the back patio is very comfortable and we do not have mosquitoes.

Jnette, some of the plants are perennials and some are annuals. I plant violas in November and they grow and bloom until middle of June,. I just pulled them two days ago. I have many bulbs and ground cover. I do many ground covers in my baskets. House plant ivy lives here year round. Does not freeze but does not like hot sun. I had trees located to make the shade where I wanted it. Helps the garden and helps keep the house cooler.

No, I do not have a hog but Whole foods has great bacon. And somewhere today on DG I saw a recipe for peanut butter, tomato and bacon sandwich.

Dave and everyone, does anyone know what this is? It is growing among my daylilies. It looks like a day lily plant until it puts on the head. Looks like a very strong weed.... There is about 6 plants among the many daylilies.

Close up of above mentioned plant.

One more photo.

Nutsedge. Evil demonic prolific weed from h***.

Thanks you. Where in the world would it come from. I will go out right now and pull it up.

Corey.,

You were talking apples and oranges. Seeds vs cuttings.

I can't believe you watched Archie Bunker Corey. Those were the good old days. Can you imagine a show like that being on today?

Ok, back to this propagating:

Amanda, JB, Dave, Corey wrote: "It seems to me that the exact words do not forbid us to take, grow and even sell cuttings from plants that WE grew from seed."

Is that true? From patented plants.

But we did not plant them. The birds or the wind planted them and we just moved them.

I'll go along with you on that Sharon. Sounds good to me. Can't help what the animals do. Then according to Corey, we can take cuttings from them.

You know JB has gone to bed so we can talk about her now.

Well she might not be sleeping because she has a black buzzard sitting on the top of a silo looking down on her house. She thinks it might be waiting for her. I told her it was probably lost and was looking for you. She posted it on Facebook.

I have had many individuals give me plants and the PP have never showed up at my door. But I am not trying to sell them.

I may solve all of our problems by clicker training my dogs to plant cuttings of patented plants.

Who asked me if I had house plants? I just ran out of 3" pots from my stack of 100, potting up rooted episcia stolons, tricolor variegated av's, chiritas, streptocarpus and assorted oddball seedlings and cuttings.

Celene, you speak martian as far as I am concerned. But I was raised in a very small mining town in Pioche, Nevada. Dirt streets, but we did have indoor plumbing but no TV until 1958. Town could not afford the mountain booster. I graduated in a class of 28. Just about private classes with 10 students in many not elected classes. I was not an "A" student but I was editor of the year book an leader of the pep band. Selling at the age of 15. Look out young lady. LOL, Mother Winter

I played in the dirt most of the day. There are two apples about ready to pick - my total crop for this year.

Still not over the cold and I'm feeling like I also should not need time to recover from my trip. I'm tired and grumpy. It's about bed time. It takes about three weeks for me to recover from the trip. Tony helps to keep me on an even keel. And the dogs are almost always happy to take it easy.

We have lots of little papaya trees. I'd given up on them but there are lots now. Guess they just needed the right temperature. I've also got lots of volunteer Malabar spinach plants. I will pot some of them up for my friends who have a farm and a grocery store.

I'll be back tomorrow.

hugs, katie

I don't know about you all, but my computer is putting all of our posts out of order. It is crazy.

I got an email from Ma Vie, with no subject and clicked on it. To open it and I know better. It said I had a virus. But I got it straightened out.

I haven't heard from Ma Vie in ages. but would not be odd to hear from her now. So, who knows.

Katie, I keep buying that Malibar Spinach, but never seem to get it planted. I might this year tho. I bought it again so hopefully. I am going to put it in a pot with some beans or something.

Do you like it? I have never tried it. But, why not have some in the summer instead of just spring? Plus, it likes sun.

That's ok Celene, you can call those things anything you want and we will just have to look in the plant files for them if we are interested.

Well, guess everyone has gone to bed, and Bob just announced the same, so guess I will read for a bit and do the same. nite.

Those gesneriads are the only thing I'll fuss with, and honestly, the worst it gets is terrarium culture.

I grew up deep in the heart of East Redneckia here in Ohio. 99 people in my high school class, I was definitely NOT the editor of anything, I was elected "Most Likely to Start a Riot". Don't worry, standards for rioting in East Redneckia are low, it only takes something like dying your hair blue.

I love that malabar spinach. It's okay to eat, better raw or just dropped for 2 seconds in an Asian style soup, but the flowers and shiny foliage are mostly why I grow it. I just found out it reseeded for me here--into about 15 flower pots that were near the trellis on which I grew it.

I like the malabar spinach. It has more body than regular spinach and takes a little getting used to. I agree that it is pretty with its shiney leaves and bright black berries. It is heat tolerant and perennial here. I happoy because it meets my goal of adding new food plants which can be grown in this area.

I'm up this morning earlywhich is good. Not much energy but not much pain either Think I will get the dishes washed before I'm awake.

hugs, katie

I try to incorporate food plants into my landscape, too. I have three variegated tomatoes in my flower bed, everyone loves them...oh, those foliage plants are so pretty! Hee hee.

Celene you better check your spelling on the gesneriads. Plantfiles can't find them. I looked them up. Do you have a specific name. Maybe that will do it.

Guess I will try the Malibar this year then. I have never known anyone who had grown or eaten it. I have bought seed 2 different years and not grown it yet. I love spinach and have a wonderful recipe for Spinach Souffle. I wonder how it would be in it. hmm will have to try it.

Well, gotta get busy just in case my niece does show up with unexpected company.

Sharon.... I LOVE that tree with the purple flowers!! Did you find out what it is? I don't recall ever seeing one before.

Morning Everyone!, I am trying to catch up on all these posts, but you all have been very chatty.
Katie, I am glad you are back and getting better. Katie, those epi strictum are fabulous! I had another one bloom not long ago, it is a beautiful pink but I don't remember it's name.
Dawn I will keep you in my prayers. I have had the shoulder surgery too, so I do understand.
Sharon, your duranta is beautiful. I think I need to move mine into a sunnier spot. It doesn't bloom. I left it out this past winter and thought I had lost it, but it is coming back, just doesn't want to flower.
I will try to get back online later in the day. I have tons to do and i am leaving early tomorrow to pick up my niece who is coming to spend part of her summer with me. She is 8 years old and I was shocked when she said she wanted to stay 3 months. LOL I asked her Mom also my niece, and she said 3 weeks.
I thought I was going to have a little girl for the summer. LOL It will be fun. I have been whining about not having any kids to play with since my teenager has moved into the parents aren't cool company stage.
I hope you all are having a great day. Linda

Sharon, your purple flowered tree looks like Duranta erecta, Golden dew drop or sky flower are common names for it. Here is a link:
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/60098/

I sure wish mine would bloom.
See ya.