Plant Propagation part XXXVII based on my own experience

You know how I hate to say that Corey is right, but as far as I can tell there is no prohibition against sex in the garden within the plain meaning of the patent rules.

Of course, what he does in his own back yard no one can say unless they do a fly-over with heat seeking infrared xray vision. Or what ANY of us do in our backyard with F1 plant.

Thanks for the pics, Sharon - looks lush and lovely. With this hand brace I am becoming less fond of the weeds that have sprouted among my cultivated weeds (natives).

Have a special day! I may sit this one out in the a/c.

A.

I got a big box of 2 Earthboxes with all the trappings by mistake yesterday. From the company. The paperwork inside said they were to go to Hawaii. I had ordered 2 red covers for mine and still haven't gotten them, I suppose they went to Hawaii. Crap. This is the second time I have tried to order those and the summer is going to be over before I get any. They are to keep the fertilizer form washing down to the root too fast. It was put in a row in on top.

I called the company yesterday and talked to the woman but she said the people in the warehouse were gone for the day and they would call me. Haven't heard anything. Maybe I will plant them.

Jnette that's tough luck. ;)

Folks in the self-watering container garden forums use shower caps, but I don't suppose that would have the same effect on the fert disbursing...

Jen - Amanda may know this for sure but I think that once they are sent to you they are yours. You could also call the post office and ask them what the legal thing is. Are the covers like the ones you need? If so, I'd for sure use them.

I got most of my dishes done. That should be all I need to do today but I also put gac seeds to soak and will plant the African tulip tree seeds I got from my friend in Hawaii.

Tony and I have hatched a plan to keep neighbor Tom from messing with our arroyo garden. We have put too much work into it to risk having him dump loads of sand where it will wash down and wreck our work. With what we plan I will allow Tom to do what he has says he's wanted to do but will be able to put him on notice not to mess with me.

later 'gator, kb

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Nah - Katie I don't pretend to know too much about the law these days. Just easy enough to look stuff up on the web. My mom used to get stuff in the mail and always ended up keeping it. What are they gonna do - make you pay for shipping for their mistake? Nah. It does stink not to get the covers tho' when you need them. Now she needs 4 covers, not 2!!!

You may be right on that. Last year Bluestone sent me some plants by mistake. They were supposed to be replacing some that died, but in error, sent me all the ones that lived. They said to keep them, and they would not charge me for their mistake. Eventually they sent one of the replacement plants.

Corey is right, Sharon, as the labels say "asexual propagation prohibited". If any seedlings are present, they are a present to you. If I took cuttings on any of my plants that were forbidden, only I would know about it, as I would not trade or even give any of those plants away. That is, "if"..... Now some plants just seem to need dividing and if they are patented, should we not divide them? I know that PP will not be at my door, as no one even knows what I have growing.

Now if I were a farmer and Monsanto spies were all around, now that would be a fearsome battle. Few have won in their lawsuits against them when GM seeds were either regrown and not purchased, or if they blew in from a neighbor's property and grew. Maybe you might know about some of those cases.

Guys I can't read or type, my eyes are so blurry. I had a bad recovery from the shoulder. I a n in a posiion to dig anyhin ou fo who knows how long so Dave beter get his plants fom some ones else unless he wits sill Fall. I'm sleeping love ya.

Take your time recovering, Dawn. It will benefit you down the road. Get lots of sleep, eat chicken soup and watch bad TV.

hugs, katie

FEEL BETTER DAWN.

Hey chatties.
Can't catch up with all the posts, but did see that JB was going to toss out a hibiscus. Now what ever happened with that? Blow some of that pollen my way. I love the Cajun Hibiscus especially.

Jnette, I too collect bromeliads. I think I have Bill. baby tears that I could send some to you. I also have bill. nuntans. My favorites are the neo.'s because of their beautiful colors. No bugs too!!!

I use to sew but kind of quit doing that. I oil paint mostly cajun cabins and swamp scenes. And NO I am not a "swamp person". I do plant on rocks....flowers, butterflies, turtles, frogs, whatever.

Glad to see everyone enjoying their summer gardening.

I forgot who was growing the coleus on the scenic screened back porch. Look at DG member, TomTom's posts of coleus in containers. They are just gorgeous.


Would love to chat, but can't wait to get in the yard and "dig in the dirt".

Good afternoon:

yes sexual reproduction is complete ly different than asexual reproduction. Asexual reproduction is taking cuttings, division abd tissue culture. sexual reproduction is the crossing of two of the same or similar species that can cross their pollen. There are a lot of variable in sexual reproduction. now do we all remember the boring chapter on genetics in biology??? that applies to plants as well as people.
if two people of the same hair color may not produce a same hair colored offspring. say 2 blondes and they get a sandy blond strayberry blond or even a brunete. all because their family before them had a brunete in the mix.
In the case of sharon's blue berries she is safe to do what ever she want to with the seedlings. I have a silver maple some of you may remember that has a coper red colored leaf with some creamy colors mixed in. its in its 3rd yr. Also my fins echinacea. see the up coming pics. That why its good to watch your gardens. I wish I had been thinking when I was over the landscape at the golf course. I had an oleander that did a witches broom on the tips which I could have propagated and made money on if it proved to be stable. I hope I have bee clearer than mud on this subject. This is how it was explained to me in horticulture 101 and all the plant classes. they wanted to pound the point home "though shalt not propagate with out a liscense"

here is my maple

and here is a view of the whole tree. It looks like its washed out in the heat. but so far is a columnar maple with little to no branching. I have seen some of the sweet gum tree's that were columnar (or is it columner?) and they look kool. I have been waiting to see if it lastes long enough in my nursery. I might persue the patent later this year.

here is my cone flower called fins

Linda, you hit that one right on. I kept the Duranta tree in the garage during the winter. It has always been planted in a pot. This last winter I moved it to a very large pot filled with miracle grow potting mix. When it started to put out new branches I cut them back about half way. Every branch I cut back has new growth and a flower. I have it in the muted shade of a mimosa tree on automatic irrigation..

Dave and JB or anyone else, I inquired and the Japanese Blueberry is not patented. I could ship all of you babies when it cools off. I have them coming up, hiding, in many areas. Here they cost a fortune.

Celene, thanks for the heads up on the Nut Grass. It was also identified on Plant Identification. Not a nice plant. Roots have tiny seeds attached and very hard to get rid of. I am going to soak the area today, remove the plant and then wait for the babies to pop up. This grass does not know who it is messing with.

We are in a cool down. Going to be in low 100s or maybe even high 90s. I am going to Costco to get some strawberries. I am also going to get a new Apple Mac Book Pro. But not today. I am going to do some research. See how much I really need for what I do.

I will return later. Sharon

Dave - I work for Metrolina - last year I "found" a golden yellow varigated zinnia. My manager and I swore we were going make a zillion bucks. The plant expired on my front porch. :D

Compared to other areas of patent and trademark law, plant patents are pretty straightforward. I don't give a hoot who does what with their patented plants. Unless you're a big grower and/or seller I'd imagine it very hard to police.

A.

Sharon,
If it would not harm the tree too much, you would probably be within your rights to put a narrow bed of annuals along that property line, and double-dig it once a year. Or triple-dig.

"Oh, were those YOUR TREE ROOTS trespassing in MY soil?"

But it is kind of a "NJ" thing to do to the tree.

Jnette,
>> You were talking apples and oranges. Seeds vs cuttings.

Totally. That's my point. If we're forbidden to take cuttings or dvidie the root ball, and the plant is forbidden to put out runners, we can still collect seed and hope it's true enough that selecting offspring is practical.


Celene,
>> I may solve all of our problems by clicker training my dogs to plant cuttings of patented plants.

Celene's Criminal-Canine Cutting Clicker Class!

I love it! "Officer, the dog must have done that! BAD DOG!!

Amanada,
>> no prohibition against sex in the garden

As long as it is between consenting cultivars. Is this what they mean by "re-seeds freely"?

Corey

ok everyone....it seems there is a virus going around. i don't know how I got in on it but it seems to be inviting people to join TUBEly or some derivative of the name

DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT

open it. it will get your address book and invite everyone and there brother from your address book

Amanda, I think you are right on with your comments. Since I am a registered nursery I am under closer scrutiny than the normal everyday backyard grower. Just my luck.. That and the fact I am still a Registered Municipal Clerk in the State and my finger prints are on record with the world because of my past employment with the USAF, I have decided not to fight the system, just go with the flow. My luck, I would be caught just thinking about it. Now that is paranoid thinking for sure. Isn't that the first sign of dementia? Look out, here I come. Get the white jacket ready. LOL

Speaking of that, my friend, who is extremely eccentric and is now a ward of the Court/State because she told the psychologist that examined her he was a stupid ass and she knew more about psychology than he ever will, called in tears worried about her horses. Thank God I had just talked to the girl who is caring for them while my friend is in the home, and I was able to bring her up to date. She stopped crying and I had her laughing in no time. They were having a severe storm where she is and she was worried about her one horse being turned out. In fact, we brought the horse in last week and she is just fine. Thank God. I love people who care about animals. No matter how crazy they may be. She is not crazy. She just acts that way for attention I swear. Well, this time she got more attention than she knows how to handle it and is trying to have the Court's ruling reversed. It is not working and they are no doubt going to take her farm to pay the nursing home bill. Pisses me off big time.

Have a good night everyone. Sorry I got off the subject again. I am really upset about her being held in that home but she will not listen and it is for her own good.

Storms and lightening and hail all over the darn state and hopefully it will pass soon. We had the one tornado two days ago and today the warnings are just for straight line winds and storms until 9 P.M. so I must go. Promise to talk plants tomorrow. HUgs. JB

Here is that buzzard watching me walk Barney. I ain't dead yet big bird. AH HA!

The little black dot on top of the silo is the black buzzard. Sorry it is not bigger but my cell phone is not the best at photos.

Hello again.....golly what a talkative group. I only scanned a few entries and did read Dave's request for a hillside Lily photo. The one I have that we had enlarged and is now framed and goes to the Farmer's Market with hubby each week won't post here. A neighbor took it and I have posted it at other times but when I tried posting it here, I couldn't do it for some odd reason.

Anyway......just sent hubby down to the end of the drive to get basically the same picture that our semi--professional photographer neighbor took in 2009 that was really a gorgeous shot. If hubby is game when he comes back in I will have him take one of another bed we have in the back yard too.

I was out dead heading a few of them last night, and yep many are on their way out now. Probably earlier in the week or even last week would have been the best time for a photo.

Hubby has been fighting Iris borers this week. This is the first time we have had problems with them. He spoke with another Dave's member this morning who suggested he use Grub X. Any other suggestions, even though he already bought the Grub X and will use tomorrow or in the next few days I suppose.

He did find out that something he did last winter will have to be undone now that the borers have attacked. He put wood bark, some quite good size pieces around the Iris bed last winter and in his research this morning found out that the bark is probably serving as host for borer larvae. So, a small bon fire might be in the works or I suppose he could save it to use in the wood stove next winter in his garage.

Don't mind me folks.....just thinking out loud here while waiting for him to return with the picture. I think I will scoot along and take my shower, still need to eat dinner too. If I don't get back with the picture tonight, I will post it tomorrow Dave.

Ruby

Hubby finally came back inside. This is a shot coming up our drive way. John promises he will try again tomorrow when the sun is out. It is now 7:30 PM and the other photo is so gorgeous because of the blue sky behind the house.

This is a bed beside our parking spaces.

These are pretty.

He took a few more and I will try to post those tomorrow. Off to shower now.

I wanted to know if anyone here can identify this leaf from a wild or native growing plant in our neighbors yard. John broke this off but will go back tomorrow and take a pic of the plant with white blooms on it and I will try getting an ID then.

Is anyone familiar with this without seeing the bloom? Thanks folks.

Ruby

JB, is that the friend who turned against her son wasn't it? Same one?

That bird up there reminds me of when I was young, yes JB, I truly was young at one time. Like in grade school, I had to go get the milk every night from the people who had one cow to milk and no children, so we bought the milk. Anyway, I had to go around 6 o'clock at night. There was someone hiding up on that telephone pole. I just knew that was what it was, even though during the day I could see it was a transformer. But I was a child. What is your excuse?

Well, I never heard anything from the Earthbox people today. I called the fellow who bought them for his son. The paperwork with his name and phone number was in with the order. He lives in Huntington Beach, CA. I left a message on his machine and haven't heard anything from him either. But then he may have been at work. Or might think it was a crank call. LOL, I leave a lot of those.

I just might take Katie's advice and use one of the covers. Not red, but black, which I don't like, but I think they say in hotter areas they are white on the reverse side. I couldn't see that. I have been using foil to cover it with but the wind keeps blowing it off.

Just thought about it. The black would be good. I was going to try red because they say it helps tomatoes ripen or something so I was going to try them. But, they still have my money so I will make sure I get the ones I ordered no matter what happens to this order.

Well, we worked outside most of the day today. The temps were 67 so that is perfect for working. Chili when you stop. Since Sharon's tomatoes look so good in her 110 degrees, I am thinking that maybe I will leave the plastic on mine all summer. Sharon does it cook your tomatoes? Do you have soup when you pick them? LOL

BTW, I was just telling Bob I think I will send these EArthboxes back for an exchange of color. They are Terra Cotta, and I would rather have green. LOL

Nope, can't identify it. LOL Sorry Ruby. You forgot the picture. I thought it was suppose to be of a leaf?

Have hubby take a picture of the whole plant. Besides an upclose of the bloom and leaf.

If I clicker train my dogs to do anything in the garden, it'll be weed and drag around those huge cubes of Promix.

If you want to look for my oddball gesneriads in the Plant Files, here you go: episcia, streptocarpus, african violets (mostly tricolor variegated or weird wasp blooms), with some kohleria, sinningia, nematanthus and aeschynanthus.

Would you train my cat to pounce on slugs?

OR train the slugs to eat only weeds?

Corey

Now Corey, are you telling me that you never met a slug in Joisey you never liked? LOL Bet you never saw slugs there like you are seeing where you live now.

JB - not funny, but I volunteered for a lot of pro bono animal litigation after I left my real job. Made appearances for Animal Legal Defense Fund, Humane Society, PETA, and a lot of local causes. Once I ended up with 15 or so Pomeranians in my backyard at the condo - in the very small backyard. My BF felt compelled to dismantle his science project in the attic due to the high incidence of law enforcement officers coming and going from the residence. Poor little man, his plants were just starting to bud. :/

Um.... heh - no they were NOT my plants.

@ Ruby - lovely photos. Tell Hubby he did a mah-velous job. :)

@ Corey - I like the idea of clicker training. I do animal rescue- we just released a crow. They are very smart animals. The cats and dogs are spoiled and lazy. I just received a baby possum this evening. They have opposable thumbs. Could be very handy in the garden, so to speak.

Have a good night all - I do enjoy the chatter - we are such a diverse and freaky group. :D

A.

That is strange Amanda. Never heard them referred to as a "science project." Wonder if the judge would buy that.

I don't think the cats and dogs are spoiled and lazy Amanda. I just think there are so many of them that there are not enough people to work with them.

You just like the unusual such as the crow and the opossum. Not fair.

Jnette - I have had more rescue cats and dogs come through and stay than I should have in my right mind. Cats eat my plants or use the containers inappropriately.

Dogs tend to knock 'em over.

Hell, even the crow last week landed on the clay pot holding my Norfolk island Pine and proceeded to dig half the dirt out of the pot. What was I going to do, yell at him?! He'd already been shot - had a pellet in his wing. It's "just a plant."

I have had to adjust my plant practices to accommodate the critters too. It does seem that after "they" stay for a while they are less eager to please and more apt to lay around looking cute and self-content. If only they would stay away from cuttings and things rooting on windowsills. Would make plants/gardening a whole lot easier if I didn't have to second-guess placement all the time. Heee.

Do you have critters too?

Funny Amanda, you make excuses for the crow but call the dogs and cats spoiled and lazy. Use the containers inappropriately???? Maybe nobody taught them the correct way.

How are the animals expected to know how to act with plants?? I am amazed at how you expect them to behave.

Yes, I have a dog that has to be about 17 years old, a Siberian mix that was a stray. The 2 cats I just got about a month ago from Pet Rescue. And of course all the wild ones, humming birds, deer, coyotes, moose, bear, etc.

Th 2 cats are indoor animals. The pet rescue people made sure I understood that and I call them poop machines 'cause I buy a new bag of litter every other day.

But, yes they know how to use a litter box.

The dog is mostly an indoor animal but I do not have a litter box for her.

Yes, we adjust the plants to the animals. After all, the plants are inanimate.

30 years in veterinary medicine, I have no idea how many rescues I've had. Cats, dogs, snakes, lizards, hedgehogs, etc. I wish I'd known about clicker training the whole time, it's such a help. Though I'm sure I won't be clicker training any of my mammalian pets to eat slugs. At first, I thought it was fantastic that my big dog ate slugs, till she vomited about 30 of them on the rug once. I'm fairly unimpressed by most body fluids, but this was spectacularly nasty. She'll still steal a slug or a worm off the sidewalk, but never a whole stomach full. Ugh. Hedgehogs love slugs, it's quite rewarding to watch them be eaten. You've eaten your last hosta, slime ball! hahahaha

I balance out animals vs. plants, by environmental management and some creative training. All of my cats stay inside, and I put up any plants that they're inclined to chew and use other forms of environmental enrichment. Outdoors, after puppyhood, my dogs mostly leave plants alone. My large dog enjoys playing with empty 1 gallon nursery cans, a tractor trailer inner tube, bamboo sticks, and food-dispensing balls, so she mostly leaves the plants alone. I also have a mulched area for the dogs to dig and I hide fun things there, so they confine their digging to the mulch in that area. Every now and again, a pot gets turned over by exuberant large dog play, but it's not that bad.

You are right, of course, Jnette - the dogs' tails tend to be the problem with smaller plants and seedlings I have in trays in inappropriate places like my back porch.

They also trample plants in the yard regardless of size chasing rabbits or squirrels or the occasional rodent variety.

The cats (and sometimes dogs) enjoy eating plants indoors especially in the winter months. I don't have much they can get to anymore indoors. They have trained me well. Without a clicker!

We have the occasional trampling, but I try to put bamboo teepees over the ones that I'm really concerned about being stomped. My big dog is clumsy and likes to take a walk through the flower beds sometimes.

OOps Jnette - My Bad!!! I did forget to add the picture. Will post a picture of the leaf and bloom and the whole plant later after he has visited the neighbors house.

Oh gosh.......folks after my heart. Animal lovers......Can't beat a gardener who loves animals. Good people all.

Hope everyone is enjoying their weekend.

Ruby

My favorite picture, this is Emerson after a quick run out the back door for the catmint.

He's a beauty. And is set off well by all those dark plants.

I'm up and mobile today. Better than last night when I was driven to extremes (for me) to deal with the pain. Now that my arms are so much better my arthritis pain has decided to double (or triple). I'm still coughing but not as much.

I'm keeping up with the laundry and dirty dishes and cooking for the dogs. Tony is still working in the arroyo. Like most of us, he's happier with a project than with upkeep.

Still too much pain to be interested in much of a nything else.

hugs, katie

Katie, Honey, I am so sorry you are hurting. I can appreciate how you feel, since that stupid leg trick I pulled, I am not the same and it is taking longer than i had anticipated. I am not a good patient. I may even start to drink gin again if this keeps up. LOL

I have a cat that I call "Fat Cat" . He is so old and fat I have no idea how old, he will not permit me to groom him, he is a feral and will rub against my legs but will not let me groom him. He is getting matted and I hate looking at him. I guess I will have to bite the bullet and just grab him and do some grooming. I would rather deal with a horse than a cat, their scratches get so sore, especially the feral ones from being outside all the time. I really do not like cats. But I feed them every day.

My latest adoption is what we call a groundhog...........you may call them hedgehogs. It has made its home under the feed barn, which now has no feed in it because rats ate holes in the floor over the winter and got into the feed. This vacant farm next door is making me crazy. The stray animals that live there are coming over the fence and I do not want to start killing them, so I just pretend I am having fun. I should buy the place but there is more than half of the 6.3 acres that had the top soil removed. I can't afford to replace 4 or more acres of top soil before I start to farm. That is expensive. The weeds are higher than the fence and the township is ignoring my bitching. I guess I need to make a trip to the town hall and show them what bitching really is. There is an ordinance against weeds but the stupid Zoning Officer no doubt does not know that. Of course, the Zoning Officer is also the Chief of Police. Go figure.

I am trying to identify this plant. It was used as a centerpiece at a winery for the tables at a wedding receiption. It looks like a succulent or cactus. Can any of you tell me if you recognize it? I have already posted it on the succ. and cac. forum.

Cory, if you get homesick for Jersey, there is a radio station I am sure you know about, NJ 101.5 RADIO, that has a website where you can see and hear the programs etc. Our new governor is a real hardass and he is just great. He takes nothing for anyone and he also is on a one hour talk show Tues. 6/28 at 7 P.M. on their website you can hear him. What you see is what you get and he is tough as nails. Raised in NJ and was a Federal Attorney for years. He is beating the heck out of the Unions (NJEA) especially the school money. He is cleaning up NJ big time. You may enjoy hearing him. Guaranteed to make yo home sick.

Very nice pictures Ruby. Looks like a lovely place to retire.
The Kitty is adorable, what a look he has on the face.

Must go be creative and do a few floral arrangements. Later. JB



We are spraying frontline today to keep the weeds down especially in the baby tree field. It takes so long to cut the grass between those trees. I have not been cutting for two weeks because of my knee. I enjoy doing it but chiropractor has grounded me. No tractor for another week. LOL