Is this really legal?

Equilibrium - "you're gonna have ta" edit out that cuss word in your 6:15 posting..... "Kudzu" (lol lol) Boy Howdy is it a cuss word down here. BUT I read an article this summer on the subject, seems sheep like it so there's hope!!

Judy

Why PvillePlanter... you done just noticin that now?

dodecatheon! Nice mow job! State of Illinois is striving for 100% native plantings now and has been for over a year!

Oops on something, CP= carnivorous plant. IP - insectivorous plant. What a wonderful twist. Plants eating critters instead of critters eating plants!

Equi, like we need more obsessions?
judi, with global warming, sheep aren't going to be in much demand and the South has enough Kxxxx, to feed every sheep herd in the world for a decade.

what can I say? I'm slow!

Dyson,

Do you have excel? I'm going to start an excell spread sheet for TX similar in format but not exactly like the VA list. After I have a few entries added I'll email it to you to be sure I'm pretty much on the same page in understanding what you are trying to do and how to best display it..

Of course we all need more obsessions. One can never have enough! It's so much fun juggling to do lists when one has a wildlife, water, bog, prairie, woodland, and a wetlands garden to care for. Did I mention I now have two indoor plants behind my kitchen sink? Toss houseplants into the new addiction category for me!

Feeling overwhelmed, we could always start a 12 step gardenoholics thread to provide support for each other. We could do like some of the narcotics anonymous folk do and sit around and exchange sources when the shrinks walk out of the room. We'd be plant junkies though. Better than heroin junkies but the money still flies out the wallet either way.

What is Kxxxxx?

P'ville,

The first picture is of my first year "prairie", which I planted (seeds from Prairie Moon Nursery)Thanksgiving weekend of last year. I pretty much kept this area mowed to about 8 inches all growing season. Today, I got sick of looking at all the QAL(see the previous post and the mistake I made, LOL!) and had the DH mow it down to about 2 inches. This is what a first year prairie looks like when it's mowed! Not too exciting, LOL!

The second picture is of a former echinacea purpurea monoculture that I'm doing in plugs. Except plugs are, at the cheapest, $2.50 ea. I have 20-30 plugs of native plants in this area, about 250 sf. Keep in mind that quite a few of the plugs I grew myself, which helped keep down the cost. Compass plant, dock, monarda, verbenia stricta, Big bluestem, Little Bluestem, Bottle gentian, Prairie smoke, Indian grass, showy goldenrod, new england asters, smooth blue asters, nodding wild onion, monarda, spiderwort, Cardinal Flower, and anything else I can think of! Generally you want the ratio of flowers to grasses at about 40% flowers, 60% grasses.

I scour the native plants sales, and there are quite a few around here in the spring. I look at all the nurseries in this area..I buy when they're on sale! I also go to plant swaps whenever offered in my area. When I buy natives from a nursery, I let them all go to seed...and I help them by spreading the seed. When i go to a nursery, contrary to popular wisdom...I buy the plant that's in bloom because it's going to give me seed in the fall, hence, more plants! April

Equil....kxxxxx is kudzu, which I gather from the posts Dave hates!

Ohhhhh, the ever dreaded evil kudzu coming our way!

I would love to have a bog garden here...too bad the only thing we're lacking is the water 8^)

April, glad to hear your state DOT is only planting natives. We would be lucky here to get CDOT to mow BEFORE the weeds go to seed!!

Planter, of course i have excel, several versions 97, 2000, XP for the last five years I have been running a computer business on the side specializing in small business networks. Copule of small Retail stores, Insurance & Real Estate businesses.

Excel is an very good spreadsheet program. If you take the time to learn them, there are many time saveing short-cuts available such as macros.

And speaking of puters I have one I am ½ done with I need to have ready in the morning so I will continue to watch the thread but everyone please excause me if my replies are sporatic for awhile.

caron, bogs only use rain or distilled water which you generally gather yourself by placing collection barrely under your downspouts... have a peeked your curiosity yet? Could you possibly be the newest soggy gardener? They don't take much room at all. You could even use a kiddie pool from K-Mart or WalMart to start. CAUTION... they're addictive, very addictive.

Caron,

let them know how you feel on the CDOT website. They're so un-used to getting public feedback...the IDOT only plants natves on the roadside because of people like me! April

somebody wrassle Equilibrium to the ground and tie her down before she hurts herself LOL. But speaking of gardenaholics http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/453747/ this thread is a hoot!

Why Thank you Pville, Thank you very much.

Caron,

Notice that IDOT is one letter from being IDIOT.

Stop it April your killin me, can't work laughting that hard - Dyson

Well the web-site above has had me captivated, and is surely a gift that may not be long lived in as much as I believe this Executive Order most likely enabled it. http://www.invasivespecies.gov/laws/execorder.shtml We need to put as much of this knowledge as possible to good use while the knowledge is still available.

Oxe-eye daisy has been a weed in South Central Alaska for a long, long time. It is not native (if one can determine what that is!). They grow along the roads, in the cemetary, in the gardens of the unfortunate folks that planted them there, and they bloom all year. They do not squeeze out the native plants, to my knowledge. Some years the roadside are filled with oxe-eyes, some years the arnica takes over. The panorama varies with the type of summer we are having.

One of the concerns I have is the introduction of roadside plants by the contractors who work on our roads. They use the sprayers to glue seeds to the roadsides, and they have little or no concern for what impact these plants may have on our environment. Some of the clovers imported could choke our poor oxe-eyes out of existance!

I just downloaded and cruised through the pdf of the final release of the manament plan, It's going to take some time to read in detail - Thanks for the link - Dyson

Good morning, I haven't found Oxe-eye on the invasive list for Florida yet.
I am finding all sorts of plants I have a legal excuse to eradicate from my surroundings.
Highly visable Florida alley is first on my list. I guess a field guide to Floridas plants is in order, then noxious plants are "out of here".
I sure could find a sunny spot of secret dirt around here somewhere for some of those oxe-eyes.
(lower lip quivers)
Please,Sidney

http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/welcome/ This is one very large database if you can id it and it is invasive, you will probably find it in here.

Dyson and SIdney,

I've started a spreadsheet for Texas invasives. There seems to be a lot more emphasis in Texas on aquatic rather than land invasives. So far I am just capturing common and scientific names and the organization that is the source for the information. I really haven't found any commonality yet with categorization such as the ones VA uses. I've found ones that have been labeled as invasive simply because they are exotic (i.e. not native) to one that you can be fined or put in jail for having and everything in between. Maybe in a couple of days we can get together and compare notes to see if and what ways we might be able to address information from different states or regions in a somewhat consistant manner.

Ok I located "the tree of heaven" in that database and right of the front page were plenty of describtions, photos, common names etc. Then out of couriosity i located the snakehead fish in the same database no pictures on the front page was disheartning so I clicked the resources and links tab at the top. There were many links to pages w/photos drawings etc. I am going to try a few more to make sure but I believe a link systen is the way to go to get the information out quickly it looks like it is all allready there. I'm gonna try a few more species.

Alright another great site. Does this one have pictures?
After further search I found this recently updated list of WEED BILLS in Congress right now.
http://www.invasivespecies.gov/laws/congress108.shtml
Very interesting.

Sounds good. My only comment regarding too much linking is that people like me might tend to get lost along the way with a lot of link hopping. I did check on of the ones on my Texas list and I did find it as invasive in Texas, but it took quite a few clicks to get to that information. I think if the target audience is gardeners who are seed or plant sharing to other locals, that there still needs to be a more user friendly way for them to easily and quickly determine all areas where a given species is invasive rather than checking each state, region, or country separately for each species.

Well, no good deed goes unpunished. Getting aware is good and one interest tweaks another.

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Nevermind....scratch what I said before. Navigating that Global Invasive data base just takes a little bit of getting use to. It does look like it might all already be there. Have you figured out what it means when it says "Administrative Unit" next to a state?

Do you realize the native North American "Grey Squirrel" is in the top 100 because of its impact on the Red Squirrel in Europe?

The best way to search is to open the all speices list (long load even w/broadband connection) then use the edit - find on this page trick works well, I have found every invasive I have looked for so far. Except the ox-eye dasiy. I saved a copy of the list to my hard drive for faster searching.

man Dyson..stick with us here......I thought we were just doing invasive plant life....it is 1:30 in the morning and it is all I can do figure out how to find a plant in Texas right now....don't overload my brain with grey and red squirrels to boot LOL

Although ya know, given the way that DB is organized, doing a spreadsheet by state maybe isn't the way to go. Maybe the top level should be scientific name and within that all the locals where it has been reported as invasive?

Unbeliveable list - 249 species, will take awhile to go though and index for states etc.

I need to check that sites link policy (since it is australia) they may be touchy about a bunch of links to their species pages.

If you want to parse the species up in some way, it might make more sense to go about it that way. We could each take a section of the alphabet for genus/species name and build the location list from there. Locations, Source, Occurance, Status, and Invasiveness would probably be suficient for now with a single link per species for more info, images, etc.

How did you come up with the 249 btw? I haven't been able to figure out how to come up with a single total number. It is requiring me to put at least a country in the search even if I check all for everything else and leave the species blank. For USA I get a search return of 99 for example.

Go you busy ole night owl (;>)

geeeze...and 68 of those 99 are in Texas!

pardon me, night owls

When I click on the species llist link I only get the top 100

if you call up the "all spiecies list" from the drop down menu that appears when your curser is over the icon (top left)
there are 249 entries. Like I said long load - i started it then went for a cup of coffee.

we must not be starting from the same page. Give me the link for the page that drop down is on

curser over the "site index" icon a pop-up menu appears took me awhile to find it and load it but now that i have the resulting page saved, searching it is fairly quick.