Is this really legal?

Excellent Dyson....wish there was something like that available for all states.

Did you see the post somebody made (I forget who and which forum now) about needing to paint the stumps with something before they start growing back?

Wasn't it you who posted the link for getting rid of bamboo under the garden mistakes thread?

Anyways, I'm gonna use the metheod from the link in the spring if the power companies spray does not hold on the tree of heaven. Will have to use it on my Bamboo problem also.

(would be cheaper than renting the bulldozer).

Hi Dyson, nice list... oddly enough, I had difficulty finding one plant on your list that wasn't a problem for us here in Illinois. What a nobile idea to photograph each and every plant on that list. Suggestion, get the leaves and bark too when you photograph. Your list does not include Bradford Pears-
http://www.agnr.umd.edu/ipmnet/5-8art1.htm

No Pville... they should all be just fine if you use the RU. I'm really sorry for adding my comments about the fungus, they were more intended as a possible peek into the future if RU is over used. I guess my point would be to hand pull anything that can be hand pulled and don't let anything go to seed as opposed to people out there mass spraying chemicals.

I'm the stump painting contributor. This is not a new concept and is routinely practiced across the US. The chemical used varies based on the species being eliminated and personal preference of the end user. I can attest to the effectiveness of this process. If you would like, I will go outside and photograph an untreated stump and a treated stump just for yucks. They say a photo is worth a thousand words and one photo would illustrate quite nicely the "suckering" back up principle. How do I have this example to share with you... I was so vehemently opposed to chemicals that I had refused to use any in favor of organic controls and about a hundred came back ten fold to haunt me right here on my own property. Well, organic controls DO NOT WORK on Trees Of Heaven or Buckthorn or a few others. When one is stubborn and dumb... one pays and pay I did. Now I am using Garlon. Garlon is my friend particularly when I can control where the chemical goes by painting it directly on the stump so that I can get that cambium layer to take it down into the root system. On particularly large stumps, I drill 1/4" holes down into the stump near the bark and fill them with Garlon. I then place cellophane around the stump to keep critters out of the chemicals but lg ziplock baggies will often fit over the top of smaller stumps that are treated this way and you can reuse them. Tree Of Heaen was one such tree that warranted the drilling of holes.

I downed over 1700 exotic invasive trees/large shrubs last year most of which were European Buckthorn. I am approaching those numbers again this year and will most assuredly meet or exceed that number. I am not alone in going after these species. There are thousands of me across the nation. Yesterday, in between taking much needed breaks by stopping in to use the computer to see what was up here at DG... I took out almost a hundred.There were three of us. Best to not work alone when using chainsaws and best to have somebody haul out what you down to keep the area clean where you are working. Oh if I had a dollar for every time I tripped over my own trunks I would be rich!

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Equilibrium - I do wish you would copy the last posting and put it on a thread on a different Forum. It is great information but I fear not many people will read it, as the title of this thread may seem a "slap on the hand" to some who use this Forum. However I feel these same people would read a thread on removal of invasive trees, if it were on a different forum.

Again, this is great info that I would like to see read by many!!

Judy

Hi Judy, Go ahead and cut and paste anything you want of mine and start a new thread that you title anyway you so desire where ever you think it would be most appropriate. I always help people who contact me with horrible situations if I am in a position to do so and there are a few other members who do too. We don't live in a bubble and what you do affects me and what I do affects you so the more who are interested in getting rid of the really nasties out there- the merrier. I gotta get outside, bye for now, Lauren

Yep Dyson I did on the bamboo...but seems to me somebody else posted about painting the tree stumps with something now specific to tree of heaven.



edited to correct name for chicken company (Tyson) to Dyson LOL

ooops....edited again....I should really read all the new replies before I post....there ya go Dyson, I knew I have read that somewhere :-)

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Tordon RTU

http://www.hummert.com/catalog.asp?C=64&SC=4&P=344

asking if it is legal is a slap on the hand? huh?

Some people are just so easily offended!!!! Too bad they won't even bother to read the thread because it contains some GREAT information.

Judy



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I appreciate the input Judy and you make a good point. But I still think titling a thread for relevance is more appropriate. I do agree, that, as is the case with most threads after a large number of folks have contributed to it, it has naturally expanded to include additional related and relevant information and another thread specific to killing invasive plants might be more likely to catch the eye of those specifically interested in that, but I would hope we wouldn't have to have duplicate threads for everything, one for those easily offended by a straightforward question and another for everyone else. I can assure you that when I started this thread there was no intention to do any handslapping and I believe I have specifically made that point more than once in this thread. I believe that asking if the trading of plant materials by mail across state lines and to other countries without certification was and still is a legitimate and relevant question to ask in this forum and that the impact and potential solutions for controling non native and other invasive species is also relevant..

I certainly didn't mean to offend you, but it appears I have. I'm so very sorry.

Judy

Not at all Judy. I am just at a loss for how to convey to some of the folks here that when I post, whether it is a question, an answer, an opinion, or an observation, that that is exactly what it is ....no more and no less...I am neither offended nor intending to offend. All I ask is for folks to accept and respond to my posts in that light rather than making them into something they are not.

It's just human nature to take things differently, that is why it is so hard to communicate effective to a large group of people with different backgrounds and personalities. Some people have forceful personalities and some are meek. I try my best to address those who are meek in my posting in hopes of not offending them or anyone else. Many times, I have had to edit and rewrite, for what I initially wrote was much too strong in flavor.

I'm just glad to know I didn't offend you.

Take care.

Judy

Planter, Equil & Terry Thank you all for the provided links & information.

I only have a little over an acre of land to deal w/here, but it is my acre, and I fully intend to know and control what is growing on it.

This is going to tie up some "ident. forum" time, but I will know what is here.

2nd I intend to compile a complete list w/pictures of the invaseive species in the "lower 48"
I got a pretty good start on the mountain section of this state in a few hours last night (did not get those listed. outside the mountain region (coastal, piedmont). The problem with getting pictures of those not in this area .... Well I will have to get permission to use other peoples pictures (w/due credits of course). This seems a worthy way to spend some time when it is to cold to get much done outside. Actually a lot of the pics will be the same for each state so I can just referance which states consider it a threat right on the picture/info page for that plant.

Then in the spring .... we do battle again. And look to trade seeds with DGer's.

I think that is just a fantastic idea Dyson. I'd be happy to help in whatever way I can. I'm no expert on any of it, but if I can help with research, finding photos, etc. just say they word and I will contribute whatever time I can spare to the effort! I bet you could find several people that would be willing to helpt with this and it is a great (and possibly pretty massive) undertaking, but I think it is most worth while!

I will truly think you are wonderful if you succeed in this project. I feel it would be a wonderful asset to DG.

Judy

As soon as the temp drops a few more degrees I will have some time to work on it, but if you would like to start w/ Texas as I have done w/ Virginia feel free and let me know what kind of info you come up with (links would be a plus).

I"ll do that Dyson....do you have any type of format in mind, or specific types of info for each plant that you are looking to include?

I've got two for Texas... Water Hyacinth and Water Celery!

My chainsaw ran out of gas goshdarnit and hubby is taking a run to get more!
Break Time!

Dyson, count me in for photos of the nasties! I don't even need to go far as all the ones that naturalized in Illinois seem to be right here on my property! Imagine that! All I need to do is step outside and a whole picture taking experience is there waiting for me so I can add to your photo gallery. Right there for the taking! Lucky me!

Lemme see here, I can contribute several different species of Buckthorn, White Mulberry, Bradford Pear and several other Caleryana Pears, and well then there's Porcelain Berry Vine out there still mocking me that I found in an undiscovered area so I didn't get those on the first round of elimination, Crack Willow, garlic mustard, Cockelbur, Knotweed, Phragmites, Narrow Leaf Cattail, Russian Olive, Autumn Olive, Queen Anne's Lace, English Ivy, Creeping Charlie, Reed Canary grass, Purple Loosestrife, Quack Grass, Tall Fescue, Dame's Rocket, Japanese Honeysuckle, Multifora Rosa, Canada Thistle, Crown Vetch, Teasel, and well the list goes on but it is not endless. I have reduced major quantities of these plants. I am not exaggerating either. This is really how degraded my property was. Depressing isn't it? I have everything under control except the Phragmites, Purple Loosestrife, and Narrow Leaf Cattail. It has taken me two years and in another two years, I should be sitting pretty good except for the three mentioned above that aren't currently under control and may not be for about 5 years. I have to admit I called in professional help several times. Identification can be overwhelming and there are environmental engineering firms out there that specialize in exotic invasive species removal. They are not cheap but sometimes you just gotta bite the bullet. I also received personal help from the Chicago Botanic Garden, The Nature Conservancy, The IL Dpt of Natural Resources, Water Shed Management, The Army Corps of Engineers, Guy Sternberg who wrote the book "Native Trees For North American Landscapes" as well as countless others who came in strong for me when I wanted to put my head in my hands and cry and bulldoze the entire property and then set it all a blaze.

Lauren, Now this is what really excites me is documented, like this piece of cucumber vine, one of the bane of my existance, weeds in my back yard. I have seen your pictures and I know that plant is still a real thorn under the blanket because you took a picture and said so.
We must all have our minds right here, because here's what I have taken today.

Sugarweed, Great pic, mine have not turned out as well, I may have an excuse now for a better digital camera.

Equil any and all help will be appreacieated.

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Digital cameras are the big seller this year. Mine is a Canon Powershot A75. It's great for the price, less than $200. in Sept. It can also support additional lens, but this one is good enough for me so far. I'm sending a second here in a minute. I'm copying Fla.'s official Invasive list, then a personal one. Then I'm going to search them out. Most of my personal foes I can find within 100' of my yard.
Mug shots will be made and wanted posters will be printed.
iluveverbdy, Sidney

Now this is my next delema. This is a picture of a large NATIVE purple azeala in the park across the street. It is covered in Potatoe vine, and southern brambles. I donned full armor, thick coveralls, face mask, boots and leather gloves and got over there and pulled out about a dump truck load 5 years ago. It took the park dept almost a month to haul it off, after all they didn't make that pile of invasive underbrush.

I've got to check into Fla states invasive policy, I haven't lived there since I left Oldsmar back in 91 (may have been 92).
Seems to me that the government, at all levels, city,co,state & fed are really behind the eightball.

Invasive Weed Warriors - (I like how that sounds)

Sugarweed do the world a favor and save the poor thing once again!!! I love your spirit!!!

Judy

LOL....I'm humming the "Look for the Union Label" song but substituting the IWW...LOL

Oh sugarweed, I'm thinking that potato vine is a top contender for something a tad bit stronger than just hand pulling. Eek, nasty looking thing that reminds me of Kudzu.

Well, I finally ran out of day light so I had to put the chainsaw to beddy bye until next weekend. Great idea Judy, Invasive Weed Warriors! Dyson, please start a new thread somewhere where people will be able to post lists of invasives by state. I think you might want to consider asking for the botanical names as well as the common names. This is actually a great idea. Many states are backlogged and although the scientific data is there to substantiate beyond a shadow of a doubt that a particular species is definitively invasive, the response time to actually getting that plant officially listed as noxious is less than desirable. Politics do enter the equation also as the nursery industry is extremely powerful. Sigh.

Meanwhile, I started a new thread. I titled it "What plants have you bought and stuck in your ground....
That have absolutely driven you bonkers?

The thread is over in Garden Talk-
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/468660/

Great plan!!! I replied to give it a kick start ..... you know how people are, sometime they won't reply until another person does.

what would also be helpful for me is if we had some standard definitions we are all applying the same way for the lists....like what constitutes very invasive vs invasive, or invasive vs noxious...that type of thing....that is assuming they are going to be characterized that way like the one you posted for Virginia Dyson.

P'ville....

Here is a picture of a first year prairie. Thrilling, isn't it? LOL! I had DH mow it today to about 2 inches high, down from about a foot high. We mowed it with the bag on the mower, since the QAL was going great guns, seed-wise. We've had a couple of hard frosts. Patience is a virtue, I keep telling myself. We'll see what comes up next spring. April

P'ville,

Here is a picture of a prairie planted with plugs. Yes, there is more going on. Yes, it is much more expensive to do it this way!

I like the rankings posted at the end of the Virginia state pdf document ie invasive, moderately invasive & occasionally invasive. But as I noted before, all levels of government
seem to be running a bit behind on this issue (at least dealing w/it) so there should be the same rateings from users concerning plants that the state has not gotten around to putting on their list yet. Such as the shade loveing ground cover the previous owners left me at this property. Hang on I'll find where I had it identified brb.

dodecatheon - how interesting!!! Thanks so much for sharing.

Judy

Aegopodium 'Variegata' not a bad plant and not a problem in the least, however I would have to say the it does show the possible tendency to be ocassinaly invasive depenting on conditions (it "over-runs" the borders of the bed it was planted in).

That reminds me I need to try and get an ID for the small tree in the middle of that bed. Very slow growth, will get pics tomarrow for the id forum. Sry about the rambleing.

Judycooksey,

Thanks. I am most fortunate that i have an area that I can experiment with. The next 500 SF at this point is all lawn, so it will be interesting to see what happens there. I will kill it off next summer. Install a pond and a bog. But haven't decided how to kill the lawn in that area. I will probably have to go for the Round-up method....as all I can afford is seed. Can't afford plugs! I prefer the randomness of seed, myself. April

April,

So the second picture is what it looked like now just before it was mowed? And the second picture was taken how long after the first? The following year? Wow....can't wait to see it come spring!

Dyson,

Ya, that's the kind of standard I was referring too. Just some sort of definition that would be applied consistantly as to what criteria was used to determine if a plant is highly invasive, moderately invasive, or occasionally invasive. And those used on that page seem pretty good I think also. And you bring up another category that might be quite relevant: Potentially invasive.

I am taking a bow right now...
dodecatheon has decided to go for a bog because of me! I like bog people! They are so, well, boggy! Bogman, who got me infected with bogitis, calls it soggy gardening. I can't wait until she gets her first CP! I so love it when people get bit with bogitis and ponditis. It opens up an entire new world of gardening obsessions.

Just pointing out that the addition of a pond and a bog is yet another way to get rid of more lawn! Tee he!

me thinks Equilibrium has gone just a tad bonkers.....I mean boggers ;-)

Caron,

thanks to your post, I went and checked out the Illinois Deparment of Transportation (IDOT) website. I'm glad I did. Thankfully, IDOT is planting native plants on the roadsides. Whew! April