Status of fixes and to-dos as of January 15

This is the last thread that you locked, that is supposed to bring us to this current thread.

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1412213/

But when we click on the link to supposedly bring us here, it tskes me to this site.
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/

Same here....

My post, at the end of pg 3, isn't my post, just the first paragraph is....it looks like Terry and I cross posted and some of Terry's post got put in with mine. I really wish we were notified when we cross posted.

It works now.

Link took me here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/

Will try again

It works now and brings me here to the first page of this thread.

I'm not at all upset that it doesn't show the time of the post because it was never accurate before. It was totally dependent on the poster's time settings and they often weren't accurate. But for most of the site, I'm beyond caring. Bottom line, nothing will make me renew my subscription when it runs out.

The cross-posting alert is on the list of fixes.

Good, thanks, but how did somebody else's post show up on mine? I think it was yours, Terry. I only wrote the first part about it being "fine" somebody else wrote that it wasn't fine, that wasn't me.

Terry,
Sorry for the delay...probably not needed now... but to answer your question...the thread you locked.....had a link with it....to take us to the replacement thread.
That did not work. I tried it two days running.


Terry Murfreesboro, TN(Zone 7a) Jan 15, 2016
I'm going to lock this thread - please go here to continue our conversation: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1413352/
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During the down time some folks said that the one thing they could do was start new threads...

I thought this working feature might have / could have / should have been an avenue to communicate with the membership.....

Yes, I'm aware of that. What I said was hovering used to tell you that info without having to actually click on their name so it was very fast. Now it just tells you the date someone joined.

But as I mentioned in my previous post, it's not a biggie, just something I found kind of useful. It's really a non-important issue.

Terry, I will say it again, copying the first paragraph of my message.

I have a simple feature request. On the {quote} feature, remove the automatic placement of the Quote to the first of the message. (Actually, I made this request previously, but my request got no response.)

In the present implementation, if I were to insert another {quote}...{/quote} construct here, it would not appear here where I put it, but the "system" would move it to the front of this message, exactly where I do not want it. I am simply saying that the system should never move a Quote. NEVER

Nuts, I think I'm going nuts....I didn't read your whole post.

Can you link to the post, please?

Okay, now I understand. If you insert the bracketed [ quote] html yourself (as opposed to using the "Quote" link), it is moving the quote to the beginning of your text. You're right - it shouldn't move it; it should leave it where you inserted it. Good catch and I'll ask them change it to work properly ASAP.

I think this is the post....we posted at the same time (cross posted) as I mentioned earlier the first paragraph is mine but the rest isn't. Strange! http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=10190376

Hi Terry,
And it should also not move the built-in quote link. For example, I am inserting this text before your quote, and just for kicks, I would like it to stay that way. I am requesting that no quote, including the "system" quote, be moved by the system. I want all quotes to be left in place by the system. I think that everything in the Message box, including stuff put there by the system, such as the system quote, is "fair game" for my editing.

I am attaching a screen grab of this text box, showing that the system moved my edited version of your Quote box to the top of the message. My request is for the system to leave ALL Quote constructs in place as they appear in the Message box. The system should not move anything that appears in the Message box.

It takes one to the main forums page. Is that its intent?


This message was edited Jan 19, 2016 7:54 AM

Hmm, this post, right? http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=10190376

Yeah, that is weird. I was obviously responding to your post, and I'm not sure how they wound up mashed together.

Yes, however by default the "quote" link automatically inserts your quoted text at the top of the page. I'm not sure that it would make sense for you (or me or anyone) to insert text on top/in front of it since the reason for using that link is to reply to that quote. But I'll have ask them to look at the html behavior for both.

No, it shouldn't and I finally figured out what happened. I double-posted this thread (yeah, I do it too) and deleted one. Because I am a believer in Murphy's Law, I'm accident-prone, and I don't gamble (because 50/50 odds are not in my favor), I of course grabbed the wrong link. So it still worked for me when I tested it (because I can access and see deleted threads). I've corrected it on the 12/23 post. Many apologies for the confusion.

Thanks for the explanation, Terry. Explanations go a long way.

Just glad to know we're not all crazy. =)

Thanks, Terry!

This message was edited Jan 19, 2016 9:51 AM

Quoting now appears broken. =)

Terry, my previous attempts to clarify and explain this issue only caused massive confusion, so I am more than a little apprehensive that I am trying to explain this again. But here goes anyway. Please bear with me.

" however by default the "quote" link automatically inserts your quoted text at the top of the page. "

Think about this. When you click the Quote icon, it places its "quoted" material in a new Message box. The quoted material is the only thing in the message box, so it is kind of automatically "at the top", because there isn't any meaningful alternative. But, you are right, the SYSTEM does indeed execute a "Place it at the top" command onto this situation, despite the fact that the quoted material is already at the top of the Message box, by virtue of being the only material in the Message box.

Unfortunately that quoted material will be messed up if the quoted message itself contained quoted material. And even when no botched nested quoting was involved, the quoted material frequently benefits from editing, just to narrow the focus of what you, the responder, are responding to. So, very frequently you, the responding message writer, will want to edit the automatically quoted material.

" I'm not sure that it would make sense for you (or me or anyone) to insert text on top/in front of it since the reason for using that link is to reply to that quote. "

Yes, usually the top of the message is a good and natural place for the quoted material, whether the writer edits that material or not. But there can be exceptions. Maybe the writer wants to put in an introductory preamble of sorts or some kind of greeting or special purpose heading. As I have said, there is no reason for the SYSTEM to MOVE the material to the top, because it always starts off at the top, by virtue of being the only thing in the Message box initially.

The current Quote implementation is seriously deficient. Quoted messages that contain a quote are badly botched. Nested quotes can be properly implemented, but that implementation may be more involved than is feasible for this current site update. But we can handle it manually if you just stop the SYSTEM from moving quotes.

Nested quotes are a problem, and they do present a little more of a challenge and complication than a simple quote command.

But...a lot of our members aren't familiar with HTML coding, so the use of quotes would be very limited if everyone had to manually insert the bracketed string to surround a piece they want to quote. Again, I will be working with the techs to make sure we've completely scoped out the extent of the problem and the issues with nested quotes.

Hi Terry, Just to keep things real, the square-bracket-quote constructs are not HTML. They are Bulletin Board Code, sometimes referred to as bbCode. The angle bracket stuff is HTML, but aside from the very basic Bold, Underline, and Italics, no significant amount of HTML is supported here. And apparently only a very small subset of Bulletin Board Code is supported, as well. Dave's Garden is keeping a very tight reign on us. For more info on bbCode, see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBCode
http://learn-bbcode.blogspot.com/2007/09/how-to-quote-messages-of-other-posters.html

Terry, yes that is the correct post but I have no idea how your response got mixed in with mine. Maybe bc we share a lot of traits.....many of which you have listed above. Lol

Grin...Hmmm. I'm not sure the site knows who shares traits and who should be sharing posts. That's weird, but thanks for keeping a sense of humor.

Thanks...yeah, I was making a generalization and lumping the two types of coding in together for simplicity's sake. And not that it matters, but this "tight rein" isn't new...it's been that way from the beginning :-). And we're definitely not alone. Other social media and discussion forum sites have similar limitations...for better or worse.

Keep the limitations - just re-enact all the good stuff we liked before.

I suppose someone has already weighed in with the non-functioning picture thumbnails, but I'll note it for the record.

Meant to throw in a big hooray that home page updates are back!

Yes, they are. I didnt even realize.

And the thumbnails normal function is back now. Thanks for that.

Hi Terry,

There are a few bugs and feature requests that have been made in various messages that are still not mentioned in the beginning message to this thread. I think that the beginning message should be more or less continuously updated to keep it current.

The erroneous error message still appears when you try to upload a picture. That has been reported previously, but it still happens apparently on every picture upload. I am uploading a screen grab of the error message that occurred only a few minutes ago. Incidentally, the same error message occurred during the upload of the screen grab. It is a dependable error.

The feature request to include "Back to post" on all displayed pictures has received no response. Many times a user can be viewing a picture but doesn't want to go to "Previous photo" or "Next photo". At least acknowledge the request in some way, even if the plan is not to implement it this time around.

I've filed the fix for the image upload. I thought back-to-post was fixed, but if it's not I will get it filed ASAP.

Hooray and sigh of relief - that was in the update they released earlier tonight :-)

Odd. It appears not all watched forums' statuses are being updated on the Home page. To be certain it wasn't a forum that had been combined with another one (or more), I went to look ("Cacti and Succulents" is a perfect example - shows last post as "Dec 8, 2015 8:42 PM", when the latest post was clearly, hours ago). I only showed four forums as having updates, out of fifteen. Just thought I'd mention it. =)

I have the same things. I have 5 threads that update, but all the others still show last post was Dec. 9th of last year.

Can you guys give me some examples of forums (or threads) that have not updated, please?