New MG's for me #5 2008

Thanks Joseph & Becky, we've had too much rain. The last couple of days have damaged many mg's.

A regular Berlin Blue.

great deep blue!

Yes, a gorgeous shade of blue, very close to Hatsu Arashi

Thanks Beth & Jackie. It might be Hatsu Arashi, I have about 4 vines in that pot and the Berlin Blue seems to be a little fuller.

Not very good pic but waited long time for this blizzard.

This morning's Blue Swirl-Not, I may have been fooled this looks like Sar of India.

This message was edited Aug 26, 2008 10:11 AM

Another Blue Swirl that has more lavender.

Spectacular Blue Blizzard

You've got some cool colors on your flowers, Helena!

Joseph

Thanks Jackie & Joseph. I'm surprised by the colors too.

This isn't a good picture but had 2 gray blooms with white stripes around the edges. Thought it was neat, the sun was shining on them & then my camera batteries died.

Helena - Did you get a lot of rain from Fay? If so, how are your vines doing?

Hi Becky, we got quite a bit of rain from Fay but the vines are doing ok, it did some damage to the blooms but it'll take a couple of days for them to recover. It looks like a few of them are done blooming.

Todays blizzard.

Growing & blooming with blizzard from last year.

Todays Berlin Blue.

This mornings CMG, Xiongs.

From Onalee, I'm disappointed with this bloom cause it's supposed to be Hama no Fubuki.

Another bloom from Blue swirl.

Helena - Lovely blooms as always! Just curious ... how big are the Berlin Blue blooms? Are they smaller like 3" or larger like 5"?

Very pretty Helena.

Helena - The bloom from Onalee as "Hama no Fubuki" may be "Hama no Fubuki" as these blizzard types are highly variable...

Love the Berlin Blue Helena!!!

This is a Japanese MG right? BEV

Thanks Jackie, Becky, Ronnie and Ron for the info. Hopefully I'll get a bloom like the picture on the seed package.

Becky, the Blue Swirl is only 3" wide. I'm thinking that it's probably from a cross Star of India more & more rather than Berlin Blue. I only thought that it was Berlin Blue b/c of the lable I had on the pot.
Oh well, it's across fromsomething.

Bev, yes your bloom is a JMG. Ron will knows the exact name.

Don't know if this is a Blue tie dye or a blizzard since I have at leat 3 different blooms from several vines together.

dragonfly62 - The bloom you posted here
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/dragonfly62_1219925609_459.jpg
is
Fuji no Beni
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/162509/

Helena - The bloom here
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/helenahkh_1219932948_447.jpg
is definitely a blizzard type of pattern, and the "Tie Dye" is a blizzard corresponding to pattern #9 on Dr.Yonedas chart here
http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/asagao/yoneda_db/E/species/flower_pattern.html

The "Tie Dye" as first offered in the USA by Park Seed co had dark seeds and a blue or purple blizzard bloom...these most closely matched the Sakata product known as "Hama no Ginga"...subsequent offerings by Park have produced variations on the "Hama no Ginga" theme,but always with a dark seed...

The "CandyStripe Purple" has a similar bloom but always has a mustard colored seed...currently relegated to the 'hybrid' bin due to merchandisers not knowing what the correct species is...and since there is currently no official MG registry the American Horticultural Sovciety (AHS) and the Royal Horticultural Society (RHS) strongly tend to 'go with' however the member merchants who advertise with them have it listed ...any conflicts results in the species epithet getting the AX and relegated to 'hybrid' status...

There are a number of blue and / or purple blizzards as entered in the PlantFiles and although there is considerable overlap of features,there is often a pattern that will distinguish the named type from other blizzards...


Hamaginga - "Galaxy on the Beach"
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/171384/
this is currently entered in the PlantFiles as a 'hybrid...an entry gets the garbage dump designation of 'hybrid' if the person who makes the initial entry fails to enter a species epithet and / or if a merchant who is a member of one of the horticultural societies lists a conflicting species,the epithet will get chopped off and called a hybrid.

We who actually grow and 'breed' Morning Glories know that:

1) True interspecific hybrids between species are relatively few

2) We know what species the named types are by the sepals (which is basic botany and no supposed 'hybrid' designation transcends the laws of botanical species classification) and what the named cultivars will cross with...e.g., only other I.nils...

The term hybrid is a general term that can have a very generalized meaning or a very specific one...
The experts in Morning Glories (like Dr.Yoshiaki Yoneda) consistently restricts the usage of the term hybrid to refer to true inter-specific crosses and any others as either cultivar selections or as crosses...


Keiryu - "Mountain Stream of Light" - dark/medium brown seeds
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/80727/

Matsukaze - "Wind in the Pines" - always light seeded
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/52401/

Raiko - "Lightening" - reddish-brown seeds
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/162531/

Sazanami - "Ripples" - name seems to imply more of a blizzard type than a solid...light or less commonly dark seeds
some packets pictorials show a 'solid' blue with a variable white throat
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/121107/
some packet pictorials show a definite blizzard
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/179067/



Seiryu - "Blue Dragon" - dark seeds
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/54045/

Tie Dye - general entry - dark seeds
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/121125/

Ukigumo - "Floating Cloud" - dark or less commonly lighter seeds
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/171350/

This is what can happen to an entry if the person who makes the PlantFile entry does not know the species and / or if there is conflicting information amongst merchandisers who (as we already know very well ) do not know (or really even truly care) what the correct botanical classification is...

The Hybrid 'dumping' ground
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/adv_search.php?searcher%5Bcommon%5D=hybrid&searcher%5Bfamily%5D=&searcher%5Bgenus%5D=Ipomoea&searcher%5Bspecies%5D=&searcher%5Bcultivar%5D=&searcher%5Bhybridizer%5D=&searcher%5Bgrex%5D=&search_prefs%5Bblank_cultivar%5D=&search_prefs%5Bsort_by%5D=cultivar&images_prefs=both&Search=Search

All of these entries (except for the 'mini sky blue) are Ipomoea nil as that is what the sepals show and that is what they are willing to be fertilized with > the pollen of any other Ipomoea nil...

I continue to contribute with great reluctance to an entry once it has had the species lopped off and relegated to the 'hybrid' bin...

Hope the information is helpful...

TTY,...

Ron




This message was edited Aug 28, 2008 4:09 PM

Thank you Ron. BEV

Thanks Ron, it is very interesting info. I still have a lot to learn and try to understand. And it might take me awhile too so I'll have to go slow pace.

Good morning, here's Blue Swirl today.

Blizzard twins this morning.

And this blizzard too.

Pinks blooming too.

Blue also blooming.

This purple too, last repeat of the day.

One more that I almost missed.

First time I noticed blizzard on this baby blue.

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5482855
Sigh...oh my!!

Helena, they're all pretty but I love the blues and the Blue Swirl

Looks like Keiryu
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/helenahkh_1220022110_30.jpg

Thanks Ronnie,Jackie and Ron. Ron it may be Keiryu except that I don't have any envelopes with that name but did get 2 of mixed seeds that were supposed to be fancy.

Only new one today, a large pink form.

Plum Surprise has not been blooming much.