Rose has roots now what?

pupil, get some good organic mulch on that titanium enriched soil you have ASAP so it will lighten up and then you can plant all these beautiful new plants you are propagating.

Pupil-OOOOhh, i'm impressed. How did he cut the holes in the plastic? I have very limited tools and could not figure out how to do that.
I think you guys did a beautiful job.

Ardsia the roots actually grow out the hole in the bottom not in the cup. I think I will plant each plant individually but I'm not sure about that.
Whenever I tried planting my roses in a pot with a bottle on top, (which was my old way of starting cuttings), I alway used 3 cuttings. I did this with the hope that at least one would take. Mostly they would all die.
I think the sucess rate will be higher with this method but it will be a wait and see endevor since I've never done this before.

Already have. Our soil has been so bad, due to the drought, everytime I dig a new bed, I compost like a mad woman. The only problem is I can't dig any beds right now because of the rock hard ground. Two spades have bitten the dust, literally. I have so many plants in pots, I look like I am running a nursery. I know the neighbors hate me. lol.

Traci

jazzy: I have a lot of young roses in containers. I have been worrying what to do with them now. Do I understand from your post I should plant them 3" deeper than the current soil line in the pots, and then heap 6" of soil in a pile (cone shaped?) to cover the stem? I lost a bunch of roses that I left in pots last year, so I am worried, and feeling very guilty for leaving mine unattended until now.

Glam, do you have a dremel? He used that with an attachment called a multipurpose cutting kit. For some stupid reason he tried to be evasive about it and said I just cut it out with the dremel. I do believe he lost his mind for a moment, as I have spent all my life in construction and went and looked at the tool. He had the attachment on there. I know this is what he used, because it makes perfect sense. You can pick the depth and freehand the cut. If you have the dremel, the attachment isn't much. If you don't, let me know what kind of tools you have and I can probably come up with an idea.

Traci

Use a drill for cutting holes in doors for locks etc.
I got a cheep one that cuts holes from 1 inch to about 3 inches.
It has several blades that twist out,you leave in whatever size you need.
Put a chunk of wood under the plastic so the drill has more to bite into than thin plastic.

Boy, I know this is going to sound dumb, but here goes; what is HO2O?

Hydrogen peroxide

My planting tray

Shot of the bottom with the 2 inch foam added to float the cups above water.

ta...is that wood?

where is that foam from and what is it called to go purchase it?

Blue foam with the cups added

Buy it al Lowe's
Shot of bottom with cups
This just floats in the fish tank over the air bubbler. Trapping 2 inches of air under it.

Cool design!I wonder how my koi would like to have one of those floating on their heads, lol.

ta dang....are you rooting for a city? what are you going to root in there?

Going to experiment with crape myrtle cuttings dwarf red and mini white.
Some rose cuttings
Will add a couple sure things, coleus to see how they do.

Ordered some rock wool cubes but will use plain old soft foam to start with to hold them above the water.

well let us know how they all do!!!

Ok, Dr. Ta, a couple of questions and comments. Does the holder fit snug in the tank? What are you going to use for a humidity dome, just put the top on? Seems simple enough. Is the foam exactly 2 inches high? Observations: Snug, I would guess, so nothing splashes on it. When you put the cuttings in, are you taking into consideration where the roots come from. Let us take, for example, ohhh, Coleus. Does it not grow roots from where the leaves were. Therefore, you would need at least one exposed, and as you know, two are better. How far will this make the cutting hang down in the two inch area? Are you going to lose an inch? I had difficulty with this part. One I put in the cuttings, in order to reach the area where roots form, the cuttings are sitting too low in the water and I believe my first trial is going to be a failure. I do love the design. What say you?

1. The tray does not fit snug in the tank. It has to float on top of the water. I made it 1/4 inch smaller then the tank.
2. Don't need a humidity done as the tank will provide that. Putting a glass cover on top when I find one. Looking for a four lamp T8 light fixture to go on top of the glass.
3. The foam is exactly two inches from the cup bottom. Will leave one inch of root out of the cup leaving only one inch from the water. May have to adjust something there. LOL
I can add another layer of foam. It comes in 1/2, 3/4 inch thickness. I use RTV silicone to glue them together.
4. I like Sue's as it is simple. The old saying KISS (keep it simple stupid)
I am doing this one to see if the floating tray principle works or not.
5. I like your zip lock green house. TED

Ya do what ya gotta do. All my water bottles are busy with other experiments. Muhwahahahaha.

Igor

Isn't this interesting we're all doing it a little different but each one seems to have merit.
I love the floating idea and the little baggies seem like a good idea too.
My clippings are not showing much progress right now, I have five cups going. The one that started off with roots right away is at a standstill. I have to learn to be patient. That clipping was fresh I received it in a trade with another rose lover and put it down as soon as it came in the mail.
3 of the others I have going are from pots of clippings that I tried starting this summer. They did not have roots yet but were still green. I thought maybe this would make them finally get roots. Maybe they were dead and just hadn't turned green. I recut the bottoms on each one and they do have a little tiny nubs on them but I'm not sure it's roots.
The other one I have is a fresh clipping from one of my rose bushes so far it's not doing much.
I think I am going to try starting some in coir, (shredded coconut hulls) just because I have a big bag of it left from my outside propagation projects. I will use fresh cuttings for these from my roses.
Hopefully if we get enough people trying different methods we will fine a surefire way to root cuttings and maybe start seeds.

Since the only one with roots is one that was mailed to you.
Find out exactly how many days before you recieved it it was cut.
Maybe the secret to it's quick rooting is to let your cutting sit in a dark place (like an envelope,paper bag,box) for however many days your cutting did before you built your cloner and tried to root it.
If it was wrapped in damp paper towel or whatever during shipping copy the exact way it was possibly treated during shipping if you can.
Maybe the shipping time did something to make the cutting kick into a rooting mode when it went into the cloner.
Maybe drying out or healing during shipping did something to the cutting.
Was it soaked overnight before shipping-treated with anything?
There has to be a reason why that one grew roots and the others haven't yet.

Try to copy exactly what you did the first time to make the cutting root and also copy exactly what might have been done to the cutting too.
It also could just be that the particular species is easier to root.
I don't know anything about roses but something that was done to that cutting is different ,that could be the reason that made it root so fast.

how funny....i can't remember what i did an hour ago much less tracing a rose cuttings path....(grin)

i got all my stuff from walmart....; not sure how to proceed from here....propagation NATION!!!

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Went to buy some lights for my propagation tank and did not have all that cash. Boy do they want a lot for 24 inch light fixtures. Will look at the Auctions for some fish tank lights or buy two fluorescent shop lights and let them hang over the ends of the tank. LOL
Can buy two of them for the price on one single lamp fixture 24 inch.

ted are we suppossed to have lights on our station?

No I want them on mine due to it doubling for a mini green house.
Am going to build one like everyone here and continue with my project when I get all the parts together.
My time is running out with too many projects. MG program this weekend, Dallas round up and a lot of trades, Pouring a walkway and taking my mom to Kemo everyday. Plus all the plants that have to come in for the winter.

glamourpuss: Good luck with your project to propagate roses. You might check out Martha Stewarts website for over wintering roses. I believe she does pile pine boughs and leaves then covers them with a basket. She also had a lot of OGR (old garden roses) and a list of them that have survived in her gardens in the northeast.

Gloria for Greensboro. I have travel that way a lot. Nice to meet someone for AL.

Ok guy, I have the two methods going on. The bleach in the soiless and the water one. I had roots on all the cuttings on the water one, but I have to cut back as all were mushy. Plopped them back in and hoping for the best. The tropical hib is doing the best. The other method, I have two rose cuttings. One is starting to turn black at the top and has slowly moved halfway down. I tugged and it has roots, but should I yank that sucker so it won't affect the other cutting with it?

Thanks,
Traci

pupil....would the sogginess continued if not removed or what? is that why you removed them?

Yes, I was basically on my way to root rot. I hope but cutting it off, thus making them shorter, they will be ok. Time will tell.

Okay, so I have been watching this post for a little bit and was dying to try all this out. What kind of luck is everyone having? Are some things working better than others? Do some types of plants do better than others in the cloner?

I just got mine put together. I am hoping it works for other stuff as I see in the links and looking around that most of the time this thing is used on veggies. I just used one of those rubbermaid storage boxes from walmart, had my hubby drill holes in the top to fit the cups and the lid seals right on the top. I got a litte 2 outlet pump and some air stones.

I went to the local hydo store today to get some growth medium stuff (those blocks and things) and I got some liquid rooting hormone stuff. However, I saw many similar machines to what we are building and they run in price from $300 and up although they did have a cheapy on sale for $219. They are basically the same exact thing except because they are mass produced they look a little better is all. I was asking some questions and this is what I got: They are usually made of an opaque material that no light can get through to inhibit algae and yucky stuff growth. They are also better for things like herbs, veggies and coleus because those just seem to take better. He said he had not had any luck with flowers and shrubs and things or anything that was hard wood either. Have any of you had any luck with anything other than herbs and veggies?

I just got mine up and running today so I will let everyone know how it works. So far I just stuck in a few quick things I found like mums, azalea, shrubs, whatever was close to try it out. Also, for those of you wondering about the timer thing (cause I know this one stumped me at first) I wasted my money buying some electronic do-hickey from home depot....piece of crap. At the hydro store today for about $12 I found a manual one that has a dial on the front in 15 minute increments. You just pull up or push down the little pegs on the dial to signal on or off for 15 minute increments over a 24 hr. period. Very simple. The do-hickey is going back.

Here are some pics of my 'on the cheap' setup.
I got a basic storage box from wally world and drilled holes in the top to fit the cups. The cups have holes in the bottom.

I have the roots hanging out of the bottom of the cups about an inch above water. When the air pump turns on it splashes the roots and keeps them moist. I added some root hormone stuff to the water.

I basically just tried to copy what everyone else had done and what they had at the hydro store all based on what supplies I was able to find. I really hope I did it right and it all works.

I do know that with the lid snapped down and the air pump going, I does make sort of a mist inside the box and keeps it all moist.

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Here is the timer I bought. The pic is a little blurry but you can make out the little pegs on it. Pushed in is 'on' and Pulled up is 'off' I have it set to turn on the air pump 15 minutes of every hour and a little extra every so often through the day.

Ga, I have to say, I have had luck with neglect. It is very strange. I have kept the pump running the whole time. It is under lights most of the time and in a clear container. I really need to change the water, but haven't and it has been running for since Oct. 14th. DH picked up the supplies and bought peat pellets, which I was upset about at first. Now I have new leaves showing up on my cuts. Here are the successes so far

Yellow rose - semi hard - new growth right above the peat pellet. No roots visable
Tropical hibiscus - Roots have formed like those on a brug - New growth
Hydrangea - soft cutting - new growth right above the peat pellet - No roots visable
Camillia - 2 cuts in the same pellet - hardwood - one not doing anything the other new growth - no roots visable
Hardy hibiscus - hardwood - new growth - no roots showing

This leaves me to speculate the roots are growing in the peat pellet. I am stuck now. If anybody has any ideas it would be great. I don't want to take them out, as I don't see roots. I thought about taking them out, cut the netting off of pellets and pot them up. Should I leave them in or take out? It will look funny on my front porch, come spring, in my container.

That is really strange. Nothing of mine seems to be dying. I did have them in a vase of water with an air stone while I waited for my hubby to build my box. It all seems to live. However, with yours that really has me wondering. I guess the only way to see if you got roots in the pellet would be to gently pull the pellet back around the base and see if you can see anything. However, my next question is, is it possible? I mean, if you cut something, the only cut part is at the bottom. How can something grow roots right out the sides on a part that wasn't cut? I am confused. (confusing me is not hard to do though.)

Could the new growth be due to the cloner thing just keeping them alive better than if they were just popped in the dirt?

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LOL, me either and add to the fact I am a new gardener. I do know one thing, i think, roots can grow from where leaves were on some plants (don't know the technical name for this juncture). If a former leaf was striped in the area where the peat pellet is now, it may have roots inside the pellet. I guess I will have to be VERY CAREFUL and pull the pellet back. Oh well, sacrifices are made everyday in the name of science. Will let you know.

Yeah, I was thinking about that too right after I posted last. I know what you mean but don't know what it is called either. I am fairly new too. I just really got started this spring. I did a little last summer but had no clue what I was doing then.