Morning Glories:Rare Japanese Asagao

beckygardener (Becky) in Sebastian, FL(Zone 10a) Oct 17, 2007

Oh THANK YOU, Dee!!! :-)

Seedsower Franklin, WI(Zone 5a) Oct 17, 2007

Hi Dee...

In response to your October 14th post, the photo in this thread looks somewhat similar to what you posted. This is from when we were all just getting "into" MG's!

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/278971/

Sandy

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MGJapan Houston, TX Oct 17, 2007

Sandy,

Very interesting thread and I`ll read it all while at work. Thanks and you got D-Mail from me.

Dee

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MGJapan Houston, TX Oct 17, 2007

Ron,

I saw this link you posted from Dr. Yoneda`s back in 2002. Some info in response to your question on 10/15/07 http://www.genetics.or.jp/Asagao/Yoneda/species/flower_pattern.html

What`s interesting is the thread content leading up to your post..
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/215990/

The results of the MG war as it was called. http://davesgarden.com/contest/2002/mg/

entertaining stuff. Thanks Sandy for the lead. TTYL

Dee

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beckygardener (Becky) in Sebastian, FL(Zone 10a) Oct 17, 2007

That's a really cool website link on Dr. Yoneda. Why did they call them "dragonfly" back then?

Dee - Can you or someone else decifer the 12 patterns of MGs shown in the diagrams? I'd really like to know. I am still learning all of this information about the beloved MG! Thanks!

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luvsgrtdanes (Ronnie), PA(Zone 6b) Oct 17, 2007

Boy we've come a long way since 2002!!!

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MGJapan Houston, TX Oct 17, 2007

Beckygardener,

I`m not 100% sure but I think the dragonfly term refers to the leaf.
If no one else can decifer the 12 patterns, I can ask the Japanese staff at work to do it.

I find the thread interesting too. TTYL

Dee

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atenkley Robertsdale, AL(Zone 8b) Oct 18, 2007

Here is a translated version of the pattern page.....! http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/Asagao/Yoneda_DB/E/species/flower_pattern.html

Arlan

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beckygardener (Becky) in Sebastian, FL(Zone 10a) Oct 18, 2007

That link needs to go on the sticky thread!!!! THANK YOU, Arlan!!! Now I won't feel so ignorant when I hear y'all discussing bloom patterns! :-) :-)

And thanks, Dee for sharing that website link to open my eyes and expand my knowledge!

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RON_CONVOLVULACEAE Netcong, NJ(Zone 5b) Oct 18, 2007

Dee - I'm so glad you like it...I think I had just listened to JMH > "STP with LSD"...

never trust a prankster...everything is a rorschach...

the forum at that time didn't pass the 'rorschach' Acid Test...

Perhaps I was moving a bit 'too fast' for them back then...couldn't keep up...and sensing 'psychic claustrophia' moved onward and guided by my own star(s) continued to investigate different natural species...

Naturally I 'dropped out' of any interest in the MG war...since nobody showed any relevant/kindred interest in the science involved...

I've kept those early posts in place just in case anyone cared to question/inquire Further regarding my trans'sanity'clauses...

I do not see the answer to my question on what the Romanji cultivar name or other common name for this particular cultivar is
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/MGJapan_1192409383_575.jpg
to be found anywhere within Dr.Yonedas listing of basic flower color patterns or anywhere else on his site as Dr.Yoneda doesn't mention any cultivar names but addresses genetics and subsequent structural features and refrains from addressing any particular cultivar or marketing names...

It is obviously apparently a combination of pattern #8(rayed) and perhaps pattern #5(margined)
but I was wondering what the Romanji cultivar name might be like e.g.,the way the PlantFiles lists
an Ipomoea nil of the #4 speckled pattern
Kanoko > (the cultivar name) in Romanji (as marketed by Yamato-Noen)
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/94370/

Just wondering...

TTY,...

Ron

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MGJapan Houston, TX Oct 18, 2007

Ron, yeah we all go there once or twice at some point in our lives.

OK, the correct spelling is Romaji and for those who don`t know what we are discussing it`s a system of writing Japanese using the letters of the Latin alphabet and is not very popular.

Japanese is written in Hiragana, Katakana or a combination of both and then there`s Kanji. To make a long story short, Romaji is not something commonly used in Japan.

Hey TTYL,

Dee

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RON_CONVOLVULACEAE Netcong, NJ(Zone 5b) Oct 18, 2007

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MGJapan Houston, TX Oct 19, 2007

Dude, I`ll make this short and sweet that even you can understand it. You won`t find Romaji widely used in everyday life here in Japan and there are many thousands of other things beside Asagao here. (smiling) I been living in Japan for 21 years and I wish that it was that simple that Romaji was used widespread but that`s not realistic. Billboards, newspaper, books, ATM machine, packaging labels, food menus, gas pumps, street signs, maps, store signs, marketing ads, venders and just about everything else is written in Hiragana, Katakana or Kanji. In some cases English Words are used because it`s fashionable, stylish or necessary and Romaji sparingly. Many words that you think is Romaji is in fact just plain old english. Your perception of the use of Romaji is somewhat misunderstood and no one knows everything.

Now I`m not an expert in the written Japanese language but I do live and work here. Romaji is the arrangement of words for a medium other than that for which it was originally intended by using the phonetic structure of the Japanese language. If you don`t know the basic Japanese phonetic structure and try to read or articulate something that was written in Romaji you may not understand the nature or meaning of the text and/or may articulate incorrectly.

I can`t spend any more time here discussing (Romaji) because it`s irrelavant to my Rare Asagao thread. But we can start a new thread on it and I don`t mind adding my 2 cents to that. It` pronounce (Ro- My- Gee) & spelled Romaji. very different huh..

I`ll be away from the computer this weekend and will be back in a few days. TTYL

Dee

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RON_CONVOLVULACEAE Netcong, NJ(Zone 5b) Oct 19, 2007

Thoughts,Questions and answers...hopefully on clarifying Romaji as used for MG's thread...
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/781959/

See Ya...

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MGJapan Houston, TX Oct 23, 2007

He's another new one that has not found it's way out of Japan yet but I'll help facilitate that. Like many of the other new species the Japanese will describe the characteristics
and not give it a name. I only have a few seeds but trying to get more. TTYL

Dee

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atenkley Robertsdale, AL(Zone 8b) Oct 23, 2007

Hey Dee,

What kind of translated words do they use to describe your new find? It is interesting to see the small "tags" on some of the segments. - Arlan

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gardener2005 Baton Rouge area, LA(Zone 8b) Oct 23, 2007

I like the delicate stems and leaves on some of these vines too. That`s a very pretty flower too. karen

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beckygardener (Becky) in Sebastian, FL(Zone 10a) Oct 23, 2007

Interesting looking bloom, Dee! I am always amazed at what the Japanese are cultivating and creating with MGs! What do the leaves look like on that one? Is it an I. nil?

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MGJapan Houston, TX Oct 24, 2007

Yeah thanks guys,

There are still many new cultivars, species, ect... being developed in Japan all the time
and I don't jump and try to get each one because I don't have the time. Every now and then I'll purchase something new and share here and make a few seeds available.

Got to do my lesson plans and get ready for work.

later,

Dee

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MGJapan Houston, TX Oct 27, 2007

Hey Arlan,

I`m sorry that I didn`t see your question untill now and don`t know how I missed you. But anyway I will go back to the site and see how they described this flower post it here.

Dee

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atenkley Robertsdale, AL(Zone 8b) Oct 27, 2007

Thanks Dee, I appreciate that. - Arlan

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MGJapan Houston, TX Oct 30, 2007

Hi Arlan,

Sorry about the delay but this is how the seller described the JMG cultivar. The english is what I got using translation software.

今年家で採れた石畳咲の種です。石畳咲は深く花弁が折りたたまれて咲きますが、これは、画像のように咲いた花の種です。福井からの発送で、第４種￥７０です。返品、クレームは受け付けておりませんのでよろしくお願いします。

Change morning glory. It is kind of stone pavement 咲 which this year can be taken at the house. The stone pavement 咲 blooms, the petal being folded deeply, but this, like the picture is kind of flower which blooms.

My work schedule prevents me from being here regularly but I do check here now and then. TTYL.

Dee

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atenkley Robertsdale, AL(Zone 8b) Oct 31, 2007

Hey Dee,

Thanks for taking the time to get the description and translation. The various translators generally produce the term "stone pavement" or "cobblestone" when refering to the type of flower produced by the criss crossed gene. These split flowers, in their extreme manifestation will fold over each other in a criss crossed pattern. These flowers are generally fertile so the mutation can be maintained directly.

Nice find! - Arlan

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gardener2005 Baton Rouge area, LA(Zone 8b) Oct 31, 2007

Hey Dee, Thanks for the interpretation of the description of the flower and I appreciate that! Karen

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MGJapan Houston, TX Oct 31, 2007

Hey you guys are welcome.

That`s good to know that the criss crossed gene is present therefore I`ll do a mega grow out of these and some crossing as well next growing season.

As you can see many of the Japanese sellers do not provide the scientific data, cultivar name ect....in their description and I won`t attempt to answer why that is because I don`t know.

For us the growing season has ended and we`re just collecting seeds and getting ready for the 2008 growing season.
When we have nothing else to do we get online and see what`s happening in the MG world.

Talk to you later. happy gardening.

Dee

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portiaraylee Winamac, IN Oct 31, 2007

Hey guys, hate to jump in on this thread, and probably a little off the subject, but I was just wondering if any of you amazing people would be willing to trade or SASE some of these beautiful flowers?

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ByndeweedBeth scio, oregon, OR(Zone 8a) Oct 31, 2007

I appreciate the japanese descriptive names as well as the latin classifications. The descriptive names appeal to my right brain while the classifications satisfy my left brain. I think there is room enough in our brain for both (especially if it's true that we are only using 5% of that gray matter up there!)

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EmmaGrace Jacksonville, TX(Zone 8a) Nov 01, 2007

Gosh Dee,

Re
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=4070672

I'm still waiting on 'my' package *-*
And, I see I'm not on your Christmas List either?
I though with ALL of the seeds I sent to you and ALL of the $$$ that I donated to your fund that I would get 'something'.

Hey here is a bloom from one of my great seeds that you did send me that you got from the JMG Festival!

I just love it!
Thanks so much . . .
What is this one called?

Emma

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MGJapan Houston, TX Nov 06, 2007

This one is from the B-34 seeds I purchased from kyushu. A very unusual species that blooms multi shades of blue and purple.

Sorry Emma for the delayed response but been busy and don`t visit here regularly..I`m not sure what your flower is and your other question can be discussed offline.

Dee