New Forum Please? "Agastaches & Salvias"

Fireant,

We used to send Christmas cards, but don't get around to doing it anymore. They would look great though if we did.

When do we learn if we are getting a new forum? How does that work now?

Marilyn, absolutely stunning photos. Yes, they would be wonderful Christmas cards.

Joseph have you started any MGs this spring. It is a bit early here for those seeds, but I am thinking about it.

I don't know how the powers-that-be , or when, they decide if there is enough interest in a new forum to start one, I am ready.

I haven't read the whole t.read but I would like to add that I think Dave has been over generous with the forums to the point that the site is being split too far. There are many forums that are up and running and have very little to now activity but are taking up unnecessary space on the list One example is Computer Crafts. This forum has been up about 1 year and has approximately 12 threads for the whole year. Why can this forum be put back under general Computers? True that are some plant varieties that are so large or create so much detailed discussion that they warrant a thread by themselves but this is not the case for many of the forums on here. I do have and love salvias and enjoy the threads on the periennnials forums but I don't feel the threads are numerous enough to warrant their own forum.

New forum? What's wrong with this one?
edited to add...."any place you hang your hat is home"

This message was edited Feb 17, 2007 8:21 AM

The thread is to solicit a new forum for Agastaches & Salvias. This thread is not a forum.

yes, but if you don't get a new forum, this works as a forum...no?

No,
It works as a loooooooooooooog thread. Threads are supposed to stay on the topic of the thread subject.
So in theory, anything not pertaining to reasons for a new forum for agas & salvia, i.e. cultivation, do not belong in this thread. The valid reason is that one may peruse threads by the subject matter and skip of thread that at first glance may not interest them. If partway down the thread, some top goes in another direction, someone may miss some information they were interested. This thread is a good example. It has gone from the orginal topic of reasons to start a separate forum to propagation, co-ops, growth habits, weather, etc.

I know salvias will grow in Florida, but will agastaches? The soil I have is well drained, but we do have a heavy rainy season here. Some places out West sound as if they have rainy seasons, too, though.

budgielover

Excuse me for bringing up the weather for several posts

I don't see anything wrong with talking about "propagation, co-ops, growth habits, weather, etc." in this thread regarding Agastaches and Salvias

This message was edited Feb 17, 2007 5:52 PM

Marilyn,
I think you missed the point I was making with wcgypsy who thought that one thread could function as a forum and I was simply pointing out the reason why it could not. No one was singling out your weather post in particular but rather as a cummulative reason why 1 thread cannot and should not function as a forum. Too much valuable information can be lost and the threads would get way out of hand in length for dial up users.

Alot of threads get off the topic into other areas. I've read them and it happens.

Yes, unfortunately it does.

Actually I don't think it's bad to have discussions on here--it helps show Dave and the admins that there's enough interest in the topic to sustain discussions, as long as the discussion topics relate somehow to agastaches and salvias of course, discussion of other things won't help (or hurt) the cause. I agree that people might miss out on valuable info, but if we end up getting the forum then I'm sure we could start up more detailed discussions there and people will get all the info they need.

Go, Liz!

Marilynbeth, it would be very nice to have a salvia/agastache forum...but if we don't get one, we can still put it in the garden talk or whichever generic forum with our main subject as salvias, etc. as an ongoing thread...You can post your pics if you like, you can talk about the weather if you like, and certainly, no one is forced to participate. This is done in the Parking Lot forum, or the Garden Talk forum or wherever...if people want to talk salvias, they can participate
Sherry

I would think Perennials would be the best place? I know I've seen salvia discussions there before. Although I guess in some parts of the country maybe most of them are annuals, so I guess it could be there too. Yet another good reason to have a forum! If they were a good fit for one or the other of those then we wouldn't need one, but since they're a mix it makes more sense to have their own forum!

I understand the idea that there are too many forums with little use since I only visit about 5 myself, but I don't think that just because many forums are unused that one that has such potential should be denied. I still go by the concept that whoever started the thread, he or she certainly has the right to veer off topic or to allow it to happen. If the thread is being hi-jacked the thread originator certainly has the right to speak up about it. But, other than that, no one is forced to participate...there are many other threads that may be more to their liking.

I did

ack ack ack can't stand it any more signing off this thread ack ack ack

Well, as long as we are here, can someone educate me about agastaches? Why are they paired with salvias in this erudite discussion? ;-)

Kathleen

Wish you the best of luck.


This message was edited Feb 18, 2007 5:41 AM

Yesterday's temp here was 85 degrees high. I imagine soon the Agastaches will soon be sending up shoots from their green mounds. The cultivar that I have, "Desert Sunrise," does have a sunrise effect in its blossoms. However, the flowers also smell like a freshly chewed stick of Bazooka Bubble Gum...LOL No better smell, that's for sure. I can hardly wait until they start blooming.

Take care,

Chuck

All,
My sincere apologies to all for contributing acrimony to this thread.
Sherry
edited to add that I need to remember that sometimes saying *nothing* is a better answer.

This message was edited Feb 18, 2007 10:45 AM

Bubble gum--that sounds interesting. Does anyone have experience growing these plants in areas with rainy seasons? Will they survive?

(edited to put the "B" on bubble gum)

This message was edited Feb 18, 2007 1:50 PM

Salvia and agastaches are both of the mint family...lamiaceae... and some of the agastaches and some of the salvia require the same growing conditions, so they are natural partners as far as planting.
edited to add that since penstemon also require these same growing conditions, the three are sometimes found together and discussed together which is why it was asked to include penstemon in the same forum.

This message was edited Feb 18, 2007 12:32 PM

Pentsemon aren't in the same family though, so I'm not sure if we should include them or not. The growing conditions are similar, but if we're going to start expanding the forum based on that, maybe the forum needs to be about things that grow in those specific conditions, rather than about specific genera? Not saying it's a bad idea to expand, just trying to figure out where to draw the line since there are many other plants besides penstemons that will grow in those conditions too.

True....

Today, I ordered agastache, salvia, and a Spanish lavender from High Country Gardens, seven plants altogether. The bed where I plan to plant them is very large, and if these do well, I'll order more because I have a lot of space to fill. I'll check on penstemons and would be interested in learning about other plants gardeners group with agastache and salvia. If you do get your forum, I'll follow it for more ideas.

Fireant,

Sounds exciting!

Which ones are you getting? I have 3 different orders from HCG coming this Spring of Agastaches and Salvias.

Marilyn

This message was edited Feb 18, 2007 11:09 PM

Fireant13,

I envy you your garden plot. I could fill another acre but unfortunately all I have is a 71' x 111' lot which includes my house and my masonry. I just pruned the dead growth on my agastaches. I'm already for Spring but I still have another two or three weeks (unless this is an early spring). Lots of agastaches seedlings in the garden also. I can hardly wait for them to bloom.

Sherry,

I looked up the word, "acrimony" in the online dictionary. After knowing you on other forums, I can't imagine you coming across like that. Maybe I missed something.

Everybody have a good day...

Thanks,

Chuck

Oh Chuck, Just a particulary nasty day....
I'm thrilled because this is the first time that I've had an agastache overwinter. There's new growth at the bottom. This one is in a large pot near the house,so I think I'll try more in large pots and see how they do I really like hearing how whichever varieties do well in different locations colder than my own...some of you have salvias that I wouldn't have thought were that hardy.

I didn't mean to give the impression that I have lots of land, just a large bed prepared for plants. I live in a subdivision on 1/4 acre. I don't have many plants, especially in the backyard.

The plants are Agastache cana, Agastache aurantiaca ‘Shades of Orange’, Agastache rugosum, Agastche x ‘Blue Fortune’ and Agastasche rupestris. I couldn't make up my mind, so I got the sampler pack. I didn't know agastache were so appealing to hummingbirds until I went to HCG's site and started reading about them.

Thanks for the explanation, Sherry.

One of my favorite penstemons http://www.laspilitas.com/plants/471.htm
These guys didn't stutter through our 21 degree nights in January. They are so beautiful in the summer - the color is amazing, like a rainbow of blue and purple - and they ask for nothing but a little water during the hottest weather.

Thanks for sharing your Winter Wonderland. Wow stay warm.
How do the Deer stay warm and get threw food in the Winter ? Do you feed them ?
When do we learn if we are getting a new forum?
I would like to see a new forum ! Yes there are a lot that dont get many postings. Even one forum Begonias why not have kept them in Houseplants or foliage plants and so on or not foliage plant Houseplants.... So many get no postings yes.
But I do feel a forum for "Agastaches & Salvias" would be benificail !

Allison,

We don't actually put food to feed the deer, they are coming to eat the birdfood I put out on the ground for ground feeding birds and the birdfood in the feeders. We live next to a wooded pasture and they come from that direction.

Marilyn

A photo of Salvia greggii 'Rosea' next to Agastache rupestris (Sunset Hyssop) on September 19, 06 at 8:15 am with the morning sun shining on it in front of a concrete block retaining wall. I found gallon pots of the Salvia 'Rosea' at the local Lowe's. Got one and now I wished I had bought more. It was listed at Autumn Sage 'Rosea'. If they offer it again at Lowe's, I'll be sure and get more.

Marilyn

Here they are together again on September 15, 06 at 9:05 am. That's Lavender on the left.