Plant Propagation Basics November continued

Check humane society Ju. Coyotes clean up most dead things or weak things here but I know what you mean. I'll kick in $25 too

Where this all gets 'gummed up" is sometimes as it was , maybe as is , A Vet cannot spay or other unless the animal has shots and a license also ,,
Feral clinics can ,, However , the Vet is 2,5 miles away from here , The closet clinic , 45 minutes and like 25 miles ?
There is this , in all this about the animals , care is all full , going bankrupt , they won't and can't take the animals as places "the they" of us all could not fund ,
Then when you do anything ""they "" turn around and try to fine you , or do ,,,
I will have to work on this , one thing though , I am not going to end up with 20 or 30 cats from this ,, !!!

thank you Jen But I will take of this ,,, you have done this before and helped as it came to you , it is our responsibility here to do the same

Gypsi ,,last statement applies , You have before , give to your regular ,, I will get this done ..
Thank you truly and sincerely


The teen wants to keep this one , look just in front of kitty , a laser dot , to chase and pounce on ,, this evenings play ...

Plays with yougins , but when we get tired , who do we trust . Who makes a good pillow .
54 degree day did some garage cleaning , some composting , more to do , always ,
I love it myself ,,

I love seeing your furbabies playing, Ju. I guess we are dog sitting again, this time on Dec 28 thru who knows, the dogs daddy is getting knee surgeries. SO.. we will be having a dog in the house again, this dog is so funny..

Debra We dog sit here once in a while , That one's a cutie Not usually prepared for dog sitting here . Pets are nice if you can take care of them , Nice of you to do that for Doggy Daddy lol


Chilling out a while

He is really cute Debra. I had my neighbors dog over Thanksgiving. My dog was good, even my cats were good, but Nikki was practically sitting on my feet as I was trying to prepare dinner. I could just see that dog hoping I drop the turkey when I took it out of the oven.

Good wishes to your neighbor – Just be glad the pup is coming after Christmas. LOL

A Border Collie - my favorite dog - our Harley lived to almost 15 years old - wonderful animals! If the owners no longer want him, I'll adopt him!!!!

Patti , I give that 3 Woofs and 3 Purrs UP !!! LOL !!!

I just Cleaned a bunch of Blonde and pickling cucumber seeds , set them down and cannot find them , I really need to quit dong that ,, which box , what box ,, goodness

(((((KayJones))))) so glad to see you. I finally found the camera on my laptop and immediately thought of you.. That silly dog is half Corgy and Border collie. He has the border collie face and the corgy legs LOL. He came to our neighbor before his older Border Collie died, so we have watched him grow up back there, and has been a very good buddy to Paul, his owner. He had his border collie for a long time, 13 years I guess. He told me that getting Oreo before he lost his other guy, made it easier on him.
I am making play sticks again this year for my GrandKitties. They loved the ones I made two years ago, but they are all torn up now. I just get long thin dowel rods and hot glue the thick colored twines on the ends, fringe them out and add little stuffed mini animal thingys to the strands. The feathers get torn off first so I am shying away from using feathers this year. This is Wesson, he is a younger version of Tucker.. Dottie was a little bitty puppy when I met her , she is the Black Lab. And then there is the newest addition next door, Scout. He has one blue eye and one brown eye. All the dogs around me love me, and I love them.

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I really like the border collies. They are pretty cool dogs. When we lived in Seattle, the neighbors 3 doors down had one. That dog patrolled the entire street for about 8 blocks day and night. If anyone walked into the area, that dog barked and kept it up all the way, right on his heels, until he escorted the person out of those 8 blocks. But, day and night, back and forth he went. His name was Casey. Really cool dog.

Casey;s dad could not walk and had to sit in a wheel chair all day long out in the yard. My daughter had a Cockapoo, that "just happened to follow her home from school one day". but that Cockapoo would go over and sit on Casey's dad's lap all day. One day I was talking to him and Daisey, the Cockapoo jumped down off his lap and went in his house. I yelled at the dog to come out of there and Casey's dad said that was ok, she had a dish in there. She just came and went like she lived wherever she happened to be at the time. One day a lady was driving by and stopped and she said that was her dog. This was at least a year after Robin had brought the dog home, and I told the lady about it and told her she would have to tell Robin that it was her dog and she was going to take it. She just stood there looking at the dog with Robin and finally said the dog was happy and she would let her have it. LOL, wasn't that mean of me?

There was a big black lab that came home with Robin too. I had to feed it but it ate like it was his last meal, every meal, The dog followed Robin everywhere. Finally I got a call from the principle of her school called me and said I had to go get Robin's dog. I told him that was not Robin's dog and I couldn't afford to feed it. he said he had tied it up and called the humane society to come get him and when they got threre, the dog was gone. Some of the kids had let it go. But the "dog catcher" saw the dog and shot it with a dart. It didn't do the trick, and the dog took off and slept it off somewhere. Came back the next day for his dinner.

One day my daughter said she was going to run away. I told her that was fine but she had to take all of her animals, dogs, cats, rabbits, chickens, ducks, geese, etc with her. She stood there thinking, I could see all the wheels turning, and finally she said she was going to stay home. Forgot the horse.

I like your daughter, glad she stayed with her critters.
. Right now my border collie is on the cat perch looking out the front window barking at the feral cats. Ju, I donate regularly and network for several shelters via facebook to get homes for the shelter dog and a few cats (I mainly do the big dogs they are the hardest to place). Which is how I ended up with Bronx my rotti in 2009, Camelo my shar pei mix in 2012 Cici my dobie mix in 2013 and Teddy the wild border collie mix in late 2014 - I snatched him up as soon as they posted his photo. My old border collie mix died in Jan 2013, had to give myself time to heal. The neighborhood blessed me with Bravo the GSD/Rotti mix who really does have a good heart but is occasionally a pain (he is not sure if chickens are for eating yet).

See JU, we are all willing to help you fix the animals, especially if you want to keep them. I will even throw in an extra $25. I think both you and granny would do good keeping them., Just tell us what you want to do.

I like the big dogs myself Gypsi, wonder why they are so hard to place. People would rather have the little yappers? I always kind of wanted to pinch their heads off.

BTW, keep meaning to tell you all that this should have a new thread. I don't mind myself. Doesn't bother me any, but there are some on here that it does bother. jen

A lot of people live in apartments and apartments have rules limiting dogs to 30 or 35 lbs a lot of times, plus there are outlawed breeds - most of mine have some german shepherd in them, including my little border collie fellow and my shar pei. My big rotti is also on the not allowed list a lot of places, for all I think he was raised in an apartment (based on what he knew and didn't know when I got him) All of mine are also half breeds - people don't get their dogs fixed and these aren't pedigreed pooches, personally I think mutts have better temperaments.

I almost changed my insurance to the hartford a few years ago, but they wouldn't insure me because of my german shepherd mix or my rotti (who is mixed with either BMD or black lab).
I stayed with Allstate.

Very good stories people, I loved them, Ju , I'll chip in for the costs.

Well the male will get shots ? on Thursday , they , the kittens will be 12 weeks old Dec 18 ,
16 weeks the age for spay and fix ,
89 to neuter 79 for shots , best I can do because of travel ,
Females 127 apiece to spay , can't do that now ,

Way that stacks , I could send them , Have one of you do that , and send them back , just about , Makes me remember why I started talking to plants, this does , lol
Males closet and the females I can keep away from the ferals until their "done"


AHA !!! I found one close enough ,, 37 females , 27 males , 12 to 30 dollar packages for shots !!!
I feel much Better!!! Much , much ,, MUCH BETTER !!!
Silly me ,,,

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Yes pays to shop esp when vetting ferals

Gypsi Next county over , and now their really busy , However that is likely because 3 counties surrounding , including this one , went broke with all the feral animals , (why they happen ) back to square one )
I am trying to get some motive going , having slothy , sluggish feeling day , feeling good though ,

why so many around here - in the cities where there are no predators there are tons of rats, squirrels, and the feral cats do help control them, but there are no predators for the ferals and they multiply nonstop unless trapped. The trap neuter release system is the most effective control for a neighborhood and one person or 2 manage the feral colony - toss out inexpensive food, trap new cats for fixing and trap diseased animals.

Out here I have redtails big enough to snag a chicken, or a young cat, and a pack of coyotes, and while I have never seen a bobcat the city says we have them. So fewer rats. Had one neighbor fed the cats back in 2004 and prior. she never got any fixed, there were about 120 feral cats getting in vehicles and urinating, etc. Her house was falling apart from a dog she had gotten and couldn't train, her kids moved her to a home and sold the place to a guy who couldn't afford to fix it up, so there is plenty of cat (and rat) cover under it.
Coyotes came through in summer of 06, during a drought. Literally there was a pack hopping 4 ft chain link hunting cats. I saw them. I am guilty of not interfering. They are a part of the natural balance. They left when they ran out of cats.

A little black female hid under the old disused water well, I would see her going in and out now and then, she turned up on my porch hungry in the fall of 2006 and I fed her. In time she plumped up, then got skinny, eating fast and running. After about 2 weeks she wasn't in a hurry anymore so I knew something got her kittens. That was Miss Kitty. I got her fixed, and she ate on my porch for the next 3 years, reckon something got her, never saw a body. That is how I started with TNR. By the time she disappeared a few more had appeared, right now there are 3 that I know of. 2 I see, the 3rd never forgave me for getting her fixed, I only see her from a distance.

Gypsi it is great not to be attached to the idea , natural it was , us people interfere a bunch ,i agree
Better that coyote eat them than being run over and left as garbage road kill a constant here (grotesque .
We have Chicken hawks and Perregrin falcons ,, some cats and kittens disappear that way . Those seem to prefer Squirrels

warm years like this as many as five litters of kittens happen , that is instead of the usual two

interesting is that the deer , are having their fawn here now this year ,, another in the spring will mean two instead of one ,,

But with TNR, you can't get attached. Fat cat was a beautiful silvery female, silvery long fur over calico and I guess she was perpetually pregnant. Wouldn't go in my trap but taught her kittens to come to my porch to eat when they were about 6 weeks old. Red and Creamy and Spot. Red was male and the first fixed, Creamy a beautiful female the 2nd, and eventually I caught Spot, who was found to be male when I took him to get spayed. Red and Creamy were handle-able. Spot wasn't. Red disappeared about 2 or 3 months after getting fixed, Creamy a couple of months later. That was 2010. Spot is still here, still eating on my porch, i can pick him up now and then, took 3 years to reach that point. Fat cat brought tiny kittens to me in the spring of 2011 and I tried to take all of them to the pound thinking she could raise them there (she had moved them into my garage, which was not safe, I have dogs.) She escaped into the woods near the pound and left me with 3 week old kittens, when I couldn't feed often enough and one died I took them to a daughter and grandkids and they raised and found homes.

Glad not to have had kittens lately.

not around here. I see a cat, I set a live trap. Tired of heartbreak. (I was really attached to miss kitty and red and miss creamy.)

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Does anyone have any more propagation techniques to discuss?

Got you wondering lol huh Kay ?,, Well I am digging and sending Cutleaf coneflower roots ,
Thinking Mustard a few types still growing in this weather , Mustard even grows below freezing after a few weeks growth ,
Most the propagation is deciding on how much gravel or sand in this pot or that pot now ,
How to water inside during winter or slow growth season , Right or correct light , lots of ?'s always there ,

Suggestions for winter geranium propagation are welcome.

My old Geranium likes it dry in winter . never done cuttings ,, getting ready though .
3 season old bonsai now it is

when I grew them, I just put them in the windows, to make new plants I just cut at the base the lower branches, stuck them in a vermiculite mixture kept on the dryer side and started new plants. I grow citronella now instead, and have made three new plants out of the parent, which I gave away.
Some how, I managed to get three cuttings of Don Miller Begonia going. YAY!
I don't do well with leaves but I seem to have good luck with stem cuttings with leaf nodes.

You have a god place to grow plant Debra . Begonia are difficult to keep alive here in Winter ,

I am wondering about the Almond if it would do better from stems grafted onto a pear root .
I did have much luck this season with grafting or flower cuttings , never was that proficient at it ,
Did get some good compost and Easy plants though ,

Good going with that Begonia , A nice long time favorite plant of many ,

well Ju, I love how they look, the begoias, but I usually end up killing them. I have no clue why this one has lived so long, maybe cuz it was sent by a DG'r on the tropical forum. anyhoo, it was tiny and now it is big and fluffy.

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Let's have a December Thread ,,

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1410915/