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Hi Everyone, Here I am with my ongoing stomach ache. Dana will hlep me finish my letter to the IRS Court and maybe I can relax a little.

To clarify, my remarks about suicide were intended to offer Judy another (among many) suggestion on how to handle her guilt-tripping cousin.

My father and his father before him and two of my three sibling have committed suicide. Anyone who wants to tell me how I should feel about the subject of having all these dead guilt-trippers hanging around is welcome to walk a mile - or a year - in my shoes.

Someone demanded that I remove the remarks for the benefit of a third party, who was among those who stated they were not offended by what I said. The would-be judge said they are "just being nice" and I am an "awful person." Now the snide remarks on the thread have started so I am posting this in the hope of sending this person back under the rock from which she came. Sorry if that sounds nasty but I don't like being judged, especially by someone for whom it is none of their business.

Hope we can get back to the supportive, nonjudgmental atmosphere that has reigned here over the years I have been here.

There are thread where people say unpleasant things and it is accepted. This has never been one of those and it has been one of the things that has made me grow so fond of all the people here.

I am sick and disgusted that someone would think they have the right to demand that I remove a post. Not even because she was offended by it but because she took it upon herself to decide that a third party might be offended (I wrote to the third party and she wasn't).

Could we please get back to supporting each other and keeping prayers going for Noah, Gord, the two Davids and others who are in need.

I am just sick about this.

hugs, katie

Katie sending you big hugs plus Diesel and Duke send you puppy kisses. Duke gives great hugs too so I am sending some of those too.
Dianne

Thanks, Dianne, I got them and they are much appreciated as I'm hurting.

hugs, katie

Yikers Katie .. whoever the person was has NO right to think they can tell you how to THINK..

As everyone knows, my cousins son took his life last week, it's big news in Canada as he was a Sniper for the Canadian Military and was denied help for his PTS after his 3rd deployment to Afghanistan ..
As I have been told all my life .. 'LIFE is about CHOICES', and you can only make your own .. sure you can have input, but, in the end, it is you who makes your own choice ..

I, too, have been angry at folks who take their life for no other reason than to make people feel bad ..

Anyway .. I sure do hope we now do not have to weigh each syllable we want to write .
You meant no harm in expressing your opinion ..

Flippin cold here too Dianne .. not as bad as you, but, I sure wouldn't mind gobbling up some of that chowder :-)

I too had forgotten condolences for 'Smoochie' .. sad day indeed ..
That name and another I have remembered for years, a cat named PICKLES .. never to be forgotten ..

Off to the dump (landfill), my fave place LoL


HUGS

~M~

Sending ((((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))) for you too Katie.

Thank you both. For me the saddest thing is that I thought what I suggested Judy say was kind of funny in that it would probably shut up her guilt-tripping cousin. It was not meant as a response to any and all suicide attempts.

Off to complete the IRS stuff. If they ignore it as tehy have the the past four times I've sent it, they will enter a judgment against me for thousands of dollars.

hugs, katie

I'm glad you posted Katie. This truly is one place we can speak our mind and NOT be judged no matter how we feel. We all respect each others right to do so. Don't know who would have sent that to you and don't want to know. I just want to "be there" for all my friends here no matter what the need or cause. Love you all.....

Edited to add -- Make sure you send it to the IRS registered with a signature required!!!! That way you have proof of sending it.....

This message was edited Jan 31, 2015 12:42 PM

Katie, I am giving you the tightest Armwraps, I hope that stomach ache is only due to the taxes stuff and not the conversation of yesterday.

My friends, Please know I was not offended by anyone's posts.
My comment were in reply to comments made toward my family who caused my grief for the day and not towards each other.

I really appreciate you all taking care of me and I will continue to take care of each of you.

Linda Kay, I am so packing a bag and heading to that beach!
headache is gone, think I was dehydrated!

Come on Group Armwraps are in a haste order!!
Love
Judy

((((((((((((Katie))))))))))))
Offence was, as I said, NOT taken by me and obviously ever so many. I cannot think of anyone, including me, who has been offended by what you say. You're a gentle sweet person.
Can anyone say that they have never had something they say taken wrongly? No. Do not "own" this person's "history" - they said what they did to you because of their own "history" - something said or done to them that hurt them and they're projecting that hurt on you. This has nothing to do with you.
I pray night & day for this group of wonderful, caring people, including the person who projected. May this stop now, and we all move on to being the wonderful, supportive, giving group we are.
((((((((((((((((((Group Hug)))))))))))))))))))

Amen to that.

Just got my letter to the IRS packed up and stamped. Dana's friends will be at the Super Bowl party tomorrow and will take it to the US and mail it for me. Can't ask them to stand in line for a return receipt but will contact taxpayers advocacy people and anyone else I can think of and make a pest of myself.

On to the next project.

Looks like we'll be able to pay for the land, maybe as soon as next week. Every time I get the money saved up something like breast cancer comes along and demands priority. Luckily we're in Mexico and don't have deadlines and stuff like that but I sure will be glad to have this ax no longer handing over my head.

hugs, katie

good to hear about the land, Katie!!
(((((((katie)))))))

Katie, at least make sure you make copies before you mail it out.

Five of each page are done. Keeping four. kb

Drats, wrote a novel, left them pad and guess it went to sleep and rid itself of my post

Grrr
Be back in abit

doncha just hate it when it times out?
ok Betty - cya later :-)

Greg, mel and ihuggedandcried with Dillon's mother, emotional for sure but ithinkthehugsand prayerswegaveherwill help

Is Dillon the young man who stabbed Noah? I've been distracted and may have missed this.

Wish my stomach would stop hurting.

hugs, katie

It has to be so hard on that family too. Did he say why?

How is Noah doing today?

yeah, I didn't remember you mentioning Dillon
How is Noah doing?

Katie - deep breathes. Is it stress that's making your stomach hurt?

Yes, Dillon the the boy who has been arrested

They took Noah out of intensuve car, much better for Greg and mel I'm sure

Nobody knows the real story, they seem to think there are 2 more

Cathy his mom who was picking up her other son from work was not home when he got arrested, she got a call just after midnight she said saying her son would like her to come while they questioned him, she said she had police pick her up because she could not drive, she was shaking so much

She was put in a room and told she couldn't speak but could be there

She said her son was giving his rendition was she could not understand it as he was so HIGH
Police kept asking him who the boy in the white jacket was who was with him, he said he wasn't a squeaker..she said he then and the police speak about stabbing itself, she said she was so horrified that she vomited and couldn't stay

She said, regardless of what he has done he is my son and I love him

I told her no mother could not but love her son

She said she all everyone that nobody was to bail him out

She said there is more to the story I'm sure and we will get bits/pieces here and there
She hoped if more involved hoped they too would pay

Got any ginger Katie? That'll ease your tummy .. boil some in hot water, cool it a bit, and down she goes .. with some sugar too if you'd like ..

Oh Betty, is Dillon one of the boys involved?
None of my business, except that I worry boutcha, is this kinda like a little 'war' between those kids and Noah?
If so, I'd be looking out for myself .. LOCK your doors at night .
I watch too much CSI !!

Dump was busy .. and, groody :-(
At least you can't smell it in the winter !


Looks like a game of cards in on tap ..

TTFN

~M~

Katie do look after yourself, maybe now the letters have been written you can have less stress..pleased about the land

On the post I lost I did like "M" say that I hooe we'd always be free to say what we feel, it's always said with love for the individual and expresses who we are..would hate to think I couldn't say something because it might hurt someone's feelings, we always ask for input on situations, that is why we are a family

Like Dillon's mom, I too hope that the others are found......... they're hiding right now, I'm sure.
Teachers, etc, will be questioned by the police, to find out who hung out with Dillon.
The truth will out.............

Betty, i know you are friends with the family, but I don't think it is a good idea to be talking about what happened. If this goes to court, she can use what ever you say and twist it around and use it against you and Noah.

Be careful who you talk to please.

I was very careful lindakay, not friends with actual family

I just told her where Noah needed surgery, Greg amd mel updated her as well

and mostly made her ware that we feel for her

Know she was working up in the office so didn't have to face people

Think compassion is needed in this human race

Anything one can do to ease the pain of another should be done

Tried napping, had 6 calls so going to try again

Wow! So much going on! First, I surely hope Karen is doing well by this time. Such a worry.

From what I understand, and I'm hoping we can all get past this as well, the person who said this thought someone else might be hurt by your words, Katie. I think whoever, was trying to protect that person. I'm sure if you're like me, you wish the whole thing had never happened. I know I do.

It sure seems like 2015 has started off really crappy. Here's hoping February will be a new start.

Betty, I'm so happy Noah is doing better. One tiny step at a time. If Noah says there was just one, why are they so sure there were more people involved?

M, I'm so happy that Gord is getting some "me" time. Probably feels good to be on his own.

So how are Cali and Smokey doing? I was glad to hear that Streak is doing better.

Went to a huge indoor garage sale today. It wasn't all garage sales, some commercial things, too, but it was something to do on a cold day. Guess everyone had the same thought as we had to wait in line 45 minutes just to pay the he 3.50 to get in!! I spent 18.00 dollars on Avon stuff and 2.00 bucks on things I can use to make troughs. So a fun day for twenty bucks.

Betty, I forgot to tell you that Sherry is sending love and prayers. I'm sure Kathy would as well, but she's in Florida helping her son who is I'll.

Just checking in again to see how things are going. Not knowing all the friends in here and the history of some of the interactions, I just want say, in case anyone is wondering - it weren't me ! Don't think anyone needs chastising for any words said. I intend to mind my own and just say prayers for those I'm led to in need. You that might want me, know where to find me. Stay strong for each other.

Have ginger tea cooking. Will add honey and go back to bed. I think it's just stress and will pass.

There is a situation here some of you might be interested in. A local woman is caring for 14 children whose parents have surrendered their parental rights. There is no government support for them as there would be in the USA and, probably, in Canada so they rely completely on donations. If any of you would like more information, please send me you email address via dmail and I'll forward a statement about it. Don't want to appear to be soliciting for donations here.

hugs, katie

Guess because tracing Dillion's steps he was with a few boys
Someone saw boys running away
Guess when police asked him who were in the clothes they described he said he wasn't a snitch
So guess they will exhaust that avenue, either there was or they will find out there wasn't

Not 5pm and I'm in bed, exhausted even though I'm getting sleep here and there

Imagine, haven't been in craft room for days, think machines are missing me

Forgot to say...congrats...on your new potty!! 😉

Betty, you have been through a lot the past few days, go to bed, and let your body rest!

Woo Hoo .. right ON Joyce .. we need a 'POTTY PARTY'
I can just imagine the fun we'd have ..
Pics of said Posh Potty Stop Betty ??

This whole situation with Dillon is going to 'flesh out' as the days go by ..
Teachers will be invaluable ..
Am wondering if there were security cameras on the school.

Brenda .. YOU and your absolutely wonderful hubby were SUCH a wonderful help to me when I was in Winnipeg and Lorna was going through her amputation .. what a fun time we had .. I think of that Gelato and think of how our Mary is doing in LA
It was SO good ..just a perfect September night, warm ...AKKKKKKkkkkk .. I'm getting maudlin here LoL
All I know is, you are a 'salt of the earth' kinda person and I think the world of you and DH

Katie, dahlin, I sure do hope the ginger tea helps out your crummy tummy ..

Joyce, Smokey is little Mr Piggy Piggy the last 2 days ..
I made a meat loaf and mashed tatters last night .. always lots left over, and he was SO purring .. I made up a mashed potato and meat loaf mix, and he has gone through almost all of it !!
He sleeps lots though, and, at times during the night he proceeds to start 'bellering' does a few meows .. wakes up all the dogs and humans .. then curls up and goes to sleep LoL

Guess I should get supper on the go .. Gord bought bar sausage .. homemade .. smells HOLY CRAPPERS garlicky .. yee ha .. cure what ails ya :-)

BBL

Huggin y'all

~M~

A POTTY PARTY?????? Wow - that would be fun --- I think?

Thinking of Karen and hoping she is doing good. Glad the problem was a fairly easy fix...

Joyce - Callie has good days and not so good days. She is eating less and less and going potty less and less but she is still eating and going. She shows no sign of pain - she just sleeps and sleeps. We take turns holding her and she seems to like that...But most of all she seems to like curling up on Norm's bed best. I know I'm hoping she will turn around and be okay but in my heart I'm sure it won't happen....Just trying to be good to her until.......

Feel so bad for Dillon's mother. I will pray for her as well.

Drink up that ginger tea Katie. Sure hope it helps you.

Was good talking with you Judy even though we had to cut it short. Sean gets impatient sometimes when we are playing a game...

Must go finish my breathing machine. Take care everyone. I pray for all of us.

off to see Elvis........ cya later

Karen will hopefully be going home Monday.

Betty I didn't mean to make you cry. I was just speaking from the heart. I am touched by everyone's concern for one another. It would be a cold heart indeed that would not be affected by the recent events here.
LK I am definitely joining you on that beach! It looks heavenly! Thanks for the invite!

Try as I may I've rested but sleep has escaped me, mind just too boggled down with thoughts, was almost considering getting up and doing something but thought better of it.

LindaKay, think you can put my name on the 'beach getaway'
News on Karen coming home Monday is great news indeed, hope you told her we are all praying.

Susan, Elvis? You know ,e-'d'y Elvis 😄

Barb nice to hear you are spending time with Sean , been awhile since he has spend time with you.who is winning at cards?

"m" can still those garlic sausages from hear..mouth watering
I cooked spaghetti, wanted containers for freezer..too off to even have some for supper.
Yawning, maybe I should turn on my other side, close my eye, listen to Riley purrr'ing and dose off

I am a lurker on here usually, and i dont post because its hard for me to write a lot and i forget a lot of things i want to reply to or ask About, but I have broken my silence a few times lately and this is one of them. I just wanted to say that as a lurker, I am in awe of how much you all care for one another!

I can see where a well meaning person might take a statement the wrong way amd think it might hurt someone else. However, family should get at least one free pass on anything not said in person because the written word is a poor way to express emotion. As a reader, you have to be careful to look at what people write during a stessful period with a non emotional heart or your emotions and a knee jerk reaction will make you respond in a way that you may regret.
Please dont let an innocent comment destroy what you have here in this group.
Thats all I wanted to say about that..

I want to offer a prayer that going forward this year, our lives become less stressful overall and that all our loved ones and ourselves are blessed with better health and happiness.

Also, just wanted to say to those who have sleep issues, i use an APP on my IPad that helps me get to sleep, especiallywhen I am in the middle of my own family dramas, like payong for my MILs cremation in full, then having my BIL cut off all communication after he picks up the ashes. I have no idea what he did with her.
Anyway, the app is called "My sleep button" and it uses a visualization technique along the lines of counting sheep (but using other items, like Painting a scene or sailing on a boat). I think its free on the Apple store. Take a look, you might find it helpful, my husband did and I use it a lot.
Higs, terri

Betty go to sleep. That's an order. Lol!!

WHEW! Just got home and caught up...Joy , relief, tears, hugs, prayers, a bit of sadness and a bit of indignation...all jumbled up on my laptop....

Karen...so glad you are okay...same for Bill, and Gord and both Davids and of course Noah, who will probably be quite embarrassed to discover the number of Granmas and Aunties who hovered around him the past couple days...GRIN And of course hugs for you Betty...Noah looks so much like you, not surprised he touches your heart in a special way.

Susan, sorry about Anne and your loom friend's Mom....prayers for your Sister and BIL.

Smoochie is indeed a neat name,Sue...and sounds like a loved pet. Sorry he had to cross the Bridge. Know Tom will appreciate having a sympathetic ear.

I know I am missing a lot of folks, but send good thoughts to you all.

Katie, I think you have a lot going on in your life...and have had for seemingly a very long time. I send you hugs and regrets for the pain you have dealt with. I am sorry someone felt they should try to censure your words.
We are adults and equals,and none have the right to chastise another for their honest feelings. If I should post something that offends one of you, or hurts your feelings, then you would, I hope, address that with me person to person. It is not the right nor responsibility of anyone to offer redress on another's supposed behalf.

This message was edited Feb 1, 2015 9:27 AM