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Good morning

Betty - here for you - hope you don't have to wait too long for Greg. He's just gone to bring you to Noah, I'm sure

Prayers for those whose family members are needing it.......

Betty .. I feel so helpless .. were I Noah's nurse I would have let you have a quick hello
Perhaps they're doing some tests etc.
Best wishes and , of course, prayers continue ..
It sure has been an emotional 72 hours for all of us ..

LindK .. Gord had a bone scan done in the machine made for it .. it's like being a sandwich filling between 2 pieces of hi tech equipment kinda (almost) squishing you in .. he was some afeared at one point and had them let him stand up for a bit .. just glad it is OVER !!

till waiting on the phone people .. but, we now have a dial tone, so, just maybe it's working ? We'll see ..

HUGS

~M~

Betty the beauty of living right in downtown TO is you don't need a car. Believe it not if I had to move from here I would love to be in downtown TO> You can walk everywhere, take a taxi, subway plus there are all those underground tunnels that link up stores and hotels. They like to keep those tunnels secret though.

Surprised they wouldn't let you in Betty. Usually in ICU they let 1 family member in at a time.Probably with Mel and Greg they would let them both in at the same time. Some hospitals are stickier than others about the rules.

Woo hoo for Bill Joyce.

Positive thoughts for the 2 Davids.

i am thinking about getting the shingles needle.What are your thoughts on that M?

Hang tight Betty it is almost 11.

good lawdy lawdy. A girl on Dr. Phil is a monster !!! oh i do appreciate my children after this girl. Poor thing. I can't imagine being so awful emotionaly. That can't be easy on the poor young girl. And the parents.
Betty thinking of you and sending prayers for your family. love you girl . you got this.

I'm 'on again, OFF again' on the shingles vaccine Dianne.
#1, believe it or else, I am flippin well a needle hater .. have given hundreds of injections, started IVs yadda yadda, but, to HAVE to HAVE a shot ,, YIKES!
What a chicken huh? LoL
#2 .. I am unsure as to the efficacy of the vaccine .. this past winter has seen so many folks laid out with a terrible flu DESPITE the fact they have had 'the shot'
In my 'whizzy wee mind' I have a theory .. seems to me this SHINGLES deal is becoming more at the forefront .. could it be an anomaly within the 'baby boomers' ?
We mostly all have had chicken pox, and I do think the zoster virus has hidden away for 40+ years, and, ?something? is triggering it to plague us with SHINGLES .. could be stress, Lord knows we have bunches of that .. or, something environmental ?
Just my thoughts :-)

Betty should be with family by now, and, seeing Noah ..

Still no phone !!

~M~

Short post
They are very strict, even Greg/Mel weren't allowed in until then
They did get to spend yesterday though
Got in to see him for few minutes, omg deathly white, swollen and very tired, kept thinking 'this is what he would look like if he were in a casket'. Now why on earth would I ever think such a thing.

Can't believe the incision, straight down and across

Was sleeping when I went in, didn't wake him
Dr. Came in and they will take off all equipment and out him in a regular room

Hard to understand

Oops going to eat, be back

Pale he will be Betty, and, for a good while
I would think he lost a lot of blood ..

Re the casket thought, that just kinda happens .. you've seen many people in a casket, and, the brain is conditioned to think if someone looks pale and still, maybe they are in a casket.
I have had people start to LAUGH uncontrollably when they hear of a passing, it's odd to some people, but, it happens .. the mind and body are very puzzling entities ..

Hope you had a nice lunch
A sandwich, NOT the least bit fancy, cost $3.50 at the hosp yesterday !!!

M

Glad you were able to see him Betty, even for a short visit.
Seems like he is being moved pretty quickly to a regular room, but at least he is still in the hospital, where they can watch him.

I'm so glad you were able to see him Betty. I am not surprised that they are moving him out of ICU and into a surgical unit. My David was moved after the first 24 hours. Now they will observe his recovery and watch out for any fever which could mean infection somewhere. I agree with what "M" said regarding blood loss. They probably gave him some but with a liver injury I would expect a bigger blood loss. I'm just so glad you are there. Will you stay over in Toronto or will you come back with Suzanne? Regarding the casket thing. This hospital itself holds bad memories for you and that could be an influence as well. I'm still saying my prayers for Noah's recovery and for your peace of mind. Get some rest when you can knowing we are watching over you.....

Betty, I'm back after some sleep, alternating between prayers for you and your family and continuing my tax struggles. Dana is helping me with the latter. She has friends going north tomorrow or Sunday and they can mail the stuff to the IRS from the States.

Glad you could see Noah. The news sounds good, especially being moved to a regular room.

Prayers for both Davids and Gordo and everyone else.

hugs, katie

Thank you all, bought lunch /drinks for Greg, Mel and myself $42.35
Could have gone to a fine dining restaurant but food was great..I had spaghetti yummy, gave me so much I could have taken some home

Going back to Noah and my finding it hard to believe, they will put him in a regular room today, tomorrow they will put him on reg food then doc said if ok could go home, home, you mean home to midland hospital and he said no, home. Omg
They say people heal better at home

Know I was amazed Barb when your David went home so soon

Lots of changes in the story, will tell you later

Had a good laugh, greg's sense of humor is something else,

We were talking about the toilet being installed, I mentioned that once it's in I will save $$ for chair lift

He Was showing concern, especially about the snow and the shoveling
He said

Mom, don't know why you don't move toNew Orleans? Gave him a quizzical look
"Well you don't have any problems when there, you even get to party with young ones, don't hear of any pains anywhere then? Lol

Going in shortly

The snow machine Noah had was not greg's
Mel's dad bought it for Noah last weekend

Noah told police there was only 1 boy who attacked him,ma young woman said there were two other

Oh, the things kids say, even when they are adults!

Glad to hear he may be going home soon, but WOW, I agree, he should be in the hospital for a few days at least!

Went to go in, had to leave, he's with a physiatrist right now, apparently because of being stabbed..that is a good thing
Who knows because of it he may get support

Noah said that he was driving home on machine and someone waved him over, he stopped and the guy started to pj ch him, so he thought, all of a sudden he realized the guy had a knife
And was hitting him

He tried to get to his machine and the guy took his keys and ran

Noah dialed 911 but couldn't couldnt talk


Noah managed to get to the road, wave a lady down in the car, she went right on buy, another car went by, by now Noah was in front , she locked her door, Noah said please help me, she said I'm scared and Noah said me too and fell
As he fell, Noah's phone rang, it was the police calling as 911 had alerted him

I got Noah upset, didn't mean to

Said Noah, God sure gave you a second chance at life
He said, I wasn't that hurt, he looked at me and said, tell me the truth grandma, could I have died..told him yes

He said he was mad, angry at the police officer for lying, police he said kept telling him 'you are ok and going to make it' why would he lie to me he kept saying

Doctors told Greg and Mel they have no idea how close to the heart the one knife cut was, no more than a hair

Betty, tell Noah that the police officer told him what he needed to hear to stay alive. If the police officer had told him he was dying he probably would have. Given that, would he have preferred not to be lied to? Kids!!! Give him a wake up call. If he is ever in the situation of the police officer with a person who is seriously hurt I hope he will encourage the person to stay alive. Anyway, he did live, so what's his gripe?

hugs, katie

Yes,he's just confused right now, doesn't even realize the extent of his injury.
Guess it's to be expected..traumatized

Drs still with him

You're right. The best thing now is to reassure him that whatever got him here and live is good Kick his butt when he's better.. katie

Katie is so right with her comments about the cop.That's what they are trained to do. I sure don't want Noah distrusting and getting a hate on for police in general as that could only lead to more problems.

Glad you got in to see him Betty. Where did you go to lunch?

Safe travels home.
D

Betty, he is going to go through a lot of different emotions as h heals and goes through the memories of what happened. Glad to hear is seeing a psychiatrist.

Cafeteria..hospital cafeterias sure have come a long way

Am sure it's the meds..guess he wanted to know the truth and will understand the 'why' later

Psychiatrist still with him, long wait
Suzanne just texted Greg, they will be about another hour then will come up here for a bit
Hoping we will get out of hospital before Friday night rush

Guess it's something they do with all victims

Greg and Mel have not stopped answering emails and texts, friend after friend, family member after family member
They are rarely alone
Roger's sister and niece coming later this aft, roger's brother tonight, my brother in the morning
So that helps

So glad to hear Noah is getting better, prayers being said for a rapid recovery. You can relax now, Betty your grandson is in the best of hands.

Sending more hugs Betty. Can't imagine how you have Been feeling? Take some deep breaths now. Sure sounds like he is well on way to full recovery. Keep thinking happy healthy thoughts.

Thank you Pegi

Could not believe the staff that sits at each cubicle

Has to be 50 staff

In waiting room, I can't believe how many 'brain aneurysms'

Rita just emailed me
Thought I was doing good painting the floor with texture paint on Tuesday night where toilet and zinc would go, Rita called said the workers were in and out, wet boots so paint lifted, not a big deal

Betty, I am so glad you got to see Noah.

Keeping him in my daily prayers for healing.
Sounds great they are sending him home. Always amazes me how fast they get you out.

Well, I think I'm in the dog house again! With my neice, sigh time will tell.
After my solo drive home, She thinks I should drop everything and go home!
I also have a cousin who took her own life. I got the call last Sunday. My niece is the one who called. She wanted to know about Chase and where he was, Telling me about the cousin was to deter her curiosity...At the time I didn't really think anything other then It was a sad thing.
I didn't have any contact with this cousin, only ever heard her name, really.
Well, Another cousin is in Chicago, I only found this out last year. Haven't heard from her in the year except just recently on FB. Well, the call this morning was from my neice to tell me the viewing is today, and the funeral tomorrow. Why don't I come to be with my family and oh Cuz is needing a ride!! I mean, am I wrong to say no? When ever Melissa wants me to come she throws this super heavy guilt trip about family and how we need to pull together, especially when there is death. This girl refuses to listen to the fact I did not know this cuz...
I couldn't even hear anything of what she was saying to me for the fact that her goal is to get the other cuz there, me taxi driver. Oh and Cuz will pay half the gas... My other fact is, my brothers did not call me over this, they are closer and knew her...I mean geesh, I'm real sorry she felt she had to end her life, it is a very, very sad thing.
I guess what6 I am really upset is how she try to manipulate and bully me and then I feel like a total loser. sighing as I don't know what to do, and she didn't even offer a place for me to stay.

Babara, so happy to hear David is healing by the day! keeping him in my prayers as well.

Oh, I am just so upset, I can't think straight.

Judy, you have to stop letting people put you on a guilt trip, they do so then you end up in a depression. If you don't feel up to going just say you can't at this time.

Sounds a lot my (former) family. Guilt - the gift that keeps on giving.

just say no. You can agree with everything else (at least verbally, don't internalize it) - "yes, I'm terrible, yes, it's family, yes, I should help, and keep saying no to actually doing anything. It will drive them nuts and you will feel much better.

Keep coming back here for support - I've had a lot of experience with this stuff. It's neither fun nor easy to deal with but if you say yes and do anything for them I can guarantee you that you will still be criticized and it will never be enough and they will never stop demanding more.

Take it from one who has been there. Lean on me and others here all you need to to deal with these sucks.

hugs, katie

So much knowledge and experience in life here on the thread

Drats , still waiting to go in to see noah for a few minutes before I go home, psychiatrist still there..they did have him sitting in a chair Mel said

Barb glad to hear David is healing . many prayers and healing thoughts to you and the family.
(((Betty)))). You got this. You never know how strong you are until being strong is all you have. Sending love and hugs to you and the family.
Judy ! what nerve of her. I would give her a piece of my mind. Shame on her ! shame shame. Its not you its her. Your not a looser . Tell her " if you continue to manipulate me into feeling as if i m a terrible person, then you have nerve and shame on you. I will not continue to let you be unkind to me . If you want to talk i will listen,but im not responsible for your troubles or anyone elses." End of discussion. "

Yup Judy...GUILT is the gift that keeps you from Living...HUGS. It is okay to say Sorry, I won't be available for that guilt trip you are trying to send me on. Condolences, and cuz can buy a bus ticket if she can afford gas money...


Good that he is sitting up, Betty....it will help him to regain some of his perspective.

Continued prayers and good thoughts for you all.

It never ceases to amaze me - all the different experiences that those of us here have been through. I swear we could open our own clinic. And each one of us comes here and does nothing except support each other. There is no judgement, no put downs, just a bunch of people who have "been there and done that" and are willing to share in order to help someone else.
I love each and every one of you.

And we are right Judy. She is trying to use you. But the only one who can stop that is you. It is not easy but the things in life that are worth it never are. You need to tell her that she will need to find someone else to be a taxi and that you are sorry for the death. And then just say "I must go now.... I have to work."

aawww thank you Barb. I m blushing. wuv you too

Betty, tell the nurses you are about to leave and that you would like to say goodbye to Noah. They should let you go see him for a few minutes.

OHMIGOSH Judy .. the sass of your cousin to pull out the GUILT card ..
ACE her by saying you won't attend, your thoughts are with the family and, take care.

My DinL is the QUEEN of the 'guilt hangers', she carries the signs in her purse, and I WAS one of her fave targets, but, not anymore, I told her she was making me feel bad, I didn't like it, and I was old enough to decide where and when I would go to a function.
She 'boo hooed' to DS Murray, I gave him 'the LOOK' and that was THAT !!

Not sure the nurse would interrupt the doc ..
Have they said he'll be going to Midland, or, staying in St Mikes?
Seems he's going to have a lot of visitors ..

Woop Woop .. we have PHONES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Poor guy had to do some crawling around under a desk and a bed .. told him if he's like I'd give him a Swiffer to take along with him LoL

How are you feeling Katie? Still tired ?

Nice to see some of the lurkers come out .. you ladies are often thought of :-)

HUGS

~M~

Will be leaving in about 1/2 hr..long way home on a busy Friday night.

Did visit with Noah, showed me where the knife went in, omg terrifying for sure.

But have to tell you I said some naughty to him, he said not to make him laugh, hurts and his stomach would open ..Mel and I got a good laugh, only this grandma would be so open

"m" they say home meaning home

Well if we open a house for all of us I'll teach craftslol

OMG, Have I ever told you how much I Love Each of You as well.

I've been reading.
I am always in Awe of the Family bond we have here.
Barbara, you said it wonderfully...

Thank you all so very much. I wasn't sure if I should make such a post but I am glad that I did. Your support over the years has been has given me the strength I need to keep spreading the love.

She tried to say how awful the year has been with stuff going on around there.
I said there and everywhere! I said you know how many people I know who have been fighting for there lives? I said I know many who have had heart attacks fighting to heal, I know of other who have been killed, I have several friends, fighting to live through Chemo and I told her of Noah fighting for his life from being stabbed as we speak, I said all those people I know or know of, they are fighting, and yes, I do know of a few that have taken there own lives...So yeah I know how hard it' s been and all of this has been just since the first and before. She went on to say I'll call you later.

My ears go deaf when she said she knows what it's like, really? then you should understand my take more then anyone. Unfortunately for me, My feelings are bared and then she just pounces on my vulnerability! Well in the end I just let her ramble and maintained I wasnt going anywhere...OMG, then she pulled the you love Nature, it's beautiful here in winter...close my eyes and shake my head.

Thank you-

LOL Betty, yep you are3 the craft teacher!!


Yep very glad you got to see
LOL, I should just let you all at her.

Sounds like you did fine. katie

Just had a thought I must share.

You could tell your cousin that you NEVER attend a service for someone who has committed suicide as you regard it the coward's way out and you don't want anyone to left to think that can get attention from you by committing such a cowardly act.

Might end some of that attempted guilt-tripping.

hugs, katie

Oh the old GUILT card!!! Know it well. My mam was a master of it. Judy I am glad you posted what you did. Our family on here is amazing, we are all so lucky to have such a support system. Barb you said it well.

Weather was warmer here today but the temp is going way back down tonight. Diesel and I had better get our act together and get more wood in.

Safe travels home Betty. I am assuming you are taking the 400....... lucky you, It should be called The Hurry Up and Wait Highway.

Dianne