2015 Seed Starting, Part 5

York, PA

Not with seeds, with a few seedlings. Pics show the leaf wilting of the plants that were allowed to grow against the cover. Second picture shows the drastic leaf wilt along with the strong new growth. The last picture shows the differences between the first plants that were moved - doing well.

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York, PA

Not with seeds, with a few seedlings. Pics show the leaf wilting of the plants that were allowed to grow against the cover. The last picture shows the differences between the first plants that were moved - doing well.

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

I think the wilted ones didn't like their little heads bopped.

Anderson, IN(Zone 6a)

From Earlier ,Hi Kathy , blomma, Saved seeds of Fireball Hibiscus , Not going to be the same plant , But Lord Baltimore is one of the Parent plants of Fireball .

Likely Red Hibiscus ,

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Hendersonville, NC(Zone 7a)

I'm slowly recuperating. folks
wwKathy I've "turned in" another volume of that homework you gave me: happy reading!! LOL

Donna those Hibiscus sure are pretty. . . do you have any that only grow to 3' pr less??

During this "spell", I set up my DIY gro station. I can already tell that the uprights prolly need to be longer: by the time I get my lights in and the seed trays. . . there's not much space left for growing!!

I learned to NEVER do calculations while in a fog: I had to re=do ALL my math figuring out my "soil" mixes! Fortunately, I was too. . . laid low?. . . .to be able to go out and BUY the ingredients, so I just wasted my time and pen & paper!!!

T minus 17 days and counting. . . . .

Hendersonville, NC(Zone 7a)

ROFL "DonnaMack I think the wilted ones didn't like their little heads bopped."



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Anderson, IN(Zone 6a)

blooma earlier you were talking about the Hibiscus returning really late in spring , here they do that also , Daisy have bloomed , declined , and been cut before the Hibiscus are foot tall ,
Also from practical experience ? if you want to say five or six fails are that ,, that hardy type Hibiscus seeds , need no stratification , Lots of heat , and a couple of months to dry before planting ,, These sprouted at 86 to 90 degrees in 2 1/2 weeks , that is warm ,,,!
After the seeds are dry and ready to grow , the window declines rather rapidly to grow them ,,
I believe you said something like that earlier though ,,


Photo of Hibiscus seeds prior to planting after 2 days in damp kitchen towel. .

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Kiowa, CO(Zone 5b)

Jeeze....I had been typing answers for people for 1/2 hr. Then I was dumb enough to click on a pix and back. POOF all gone..darn!!!!!! LOL.. Ok, I'll start over.

BigZig....Get your plants out from under the dome when they start beefing up, definitely when they reach the top of the dome. I try to acclimate them a bit (lid off for a few hrs so they can get used to the open air for a day or so (recover in an hr or two). When I move to open air trays is when I begin to actually water the whole pot but still mist several times a day to keep the humidity up. I also pinch plants when they get too tall. But then it depends on whether they are a clumpers or grow from the center. If grown from the center they can be trimmed but wait til they have at least 2 sets of true leaves before you do so. Ie. , the ones in pix 1, many are types of babies that can get a haircut. Pix 2 is of Digitalis on the left which grow from the crown. The plant on the right is Centranthus (single stem) and can be pinched in the center to bulk it up ( which causes branching). Does that help? I'm thinking you are going to have a time trying to keep your Nasturium going til May when you can plant it out in the garden, but look at it as a leaning lesson.. Annuals usually get started 4-6 wks before last frost, depends on how fast they grow. Some annuals such as yours, may only need 2-3 weeks before last frost, vines such as sweet peas only a week before going out. But there are other annuals that need to be started 8-12 weeks before last frost ie, : Tomatoes, Nicotiana, Salvia Blue Bedder and Pansies to mention a few. If in doubt ask, someone here will be happy to help with ideas.... And you can trim those damaged leaves from your plants, just keep that center stalk going, most of the damaged leaves are the first set and not true leaves, carefully clip close to the stem.

Juhur,...hmm. got any more seed? lol! Is it going to be as big of a bloom as the Lord Baltimore (10-12") and the deep dark red. Looks like trade time....lol. And your looks wonderful! Mine are just now sprouting.

BetNC...I have 2 shelves that are 12", I hang my light from chains or hooks so they can be adjusted up or down to fit my needs. Also not a big deal if plants actually begin to touch the lights as they are not strong enough to burn the babies. But keeping them close helps to keep growth more compact as they are not stretching to get to the light. Again using haircuts when needed. I have several shelves that are 14" or more also. Again using haircuts when necessary too...lol.

Blomma....Love Lord Baltimore, such big flowers and tall plant... It's been the only one I have yet to obtain seed for that I definitely want. Many are new to me also, especially the coccineous (hardy to z6), which can grow to 10 ft. Many have been breed over the past 10 -15 years and there are soo many new ones now, but most of the new ones are more of a bush than the tall moscheutos varieties. BetNC....most are about 4ft ht. range and up.

Hope this helps with a few tips for newbies....keep the questions coming, someone should have an answer....Many here are well seasoned gardeners...lol. (Nope, not salt and pepper but extensive knowledge from trials and tribulations...the learning curve. LOL But it's how we all get there, kudos for even trying to grow things from seed or even having a garden You will get better at it the longer you do it, I promise. And I never use heat mats so save yourself the money they usually aren't needed.

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Hendersonville, NC(Zone 7a)

wwkathy ggggggggrrrrrrrrr NOW someone tells me!! Fortunately, I only bought One heat mat before my monthly budget imploded; three more were penciled in for this month. You just saved me a HEAP of money!!!

Picture is the first of my crocus appearing, 2-7-15

In some ways, its good to have that monthly budget: it keeps me from spending the rent money everytime a new flower/seed catalog arrives! But sometimes, its just a pain: reminding myself to practice . . .patience. AAAAARRGGGGGGGH PATIENCE!!! BAH! PTOOEY PTOOEY!!!!!


T minus 16 days and counting. . . . .

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Anderson, IN(Zone 6a)

Well heat is needed for me anyway , when Hibiscus , Ice plant , Bamboo ,, All require heat to germinate for me ,

Yes Kathy a few seeds about a dozen ,, I have some from someone else I will try when I have room ,, Pink Hybrids they came from , The others , Mine are all red ,,and red three of four when I grow Hibiscus usually are..

I don't have a lot of room for seed starting .. not a professional at plants ,,Only I love the things , and I have my moments with them ,, Things like the Daylily from cell manipulation ,
Seed Germinating mixture , (when I get them correct ,) nature and science ,,,
Besides , I just plain old love the plants to look at and enjoy ,,,

Here is the Hibiscus potted up , Growing fast ,I am wondering about feeding them , only being hesitant to do so

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Kiowa, CO(Zone 5b)

I bought one of those heat coil/cable things years ago (more than 20-25), not sure I ever used it. I keep my place pretty cool too, both day and night. Days are 68* ish, and nights I turn the temp back into the 50* for overnight, unless below zero, then I turn it up a bit.... I am sure the day temps under lights are in the 70's at least. So all those I listed above all germinated without any special treatment. As you can see from my pix I do pretty good without using them....lol. Now I admit my Aquilegias are usually slow to begin with (no cold treatment either), but usually get good germination, it's just slow. Hibs are germinating great too, of the 14 started only 2 are left to germinate.

Just to let you all know my pix are from previous years. I got a new phone and haven't gotten it all set up yet....hmmmm, guess I need to get to that..not sure what I have to set up yet...These new fangled things confound me sometimes..lol. My first smart phone, and so far I'm not smart enough to figure it all out.....but it's suppose to be a better camera.

BetNC, you can send that extra money that I saved you.....lol. Maybe I could get lessons for my phone....lol.

Lake Stevens, WA(Zone 8a)

wwk- I have a smart phone (iphone) my first one baffled me too (was a Blackberry) it really does a LOT of things! My best advice is to get a "...for Dummies" book. I read a chapter a day while on a vacation, and ended up knowing more than some of my tech friends!

Kiowa, CO(Zone 5b)

LOL, I might just try to find one...thanks!

Natick, MA

What kind of phone did you get, Kathy?

Kiowa, CO(Zone 5b)

An LG, trac phone, since I don't make that many calls.

York, PA

Just when I thought everything had shown itself...................this one pokes through.
Phlox Summer Majesty

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

Seedlings getting bigger!

Pic one is my salvia Rose Queen seedlings. Pic 2 is a closeup. I have never gotten so many at once!

Pic 3 is my heuchera Firefly. The seedlings took longer, and are small, but healthy.

Pic 4 is Pam's double platys.

Pic 5 is Nepeta sibirica that looks like Souvenir.

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

And the most fun of all, the plant that is out of commerce for which only Hazzard's had the seeds: salvia verticilata White Rain

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(Pam) Warren, CT(Zone 5b)

Everyone's seedlings look great!

For the record, I use a heat mat for germinating. In NY I grow my seedlings in a window, and it can get really cold there. And in CT, once we open the house in early April, we only stay there on weekends and turn the heat down to 60 when we leave. I got much better results once I got the mat.



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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

Oh Pam! What a good idea. I have a heat mat, and I am not using it (the cats love it!) I would come in and find it being "used". So I gave in to the inevitable. This was actually my previous heat mat. They exhausted it - I'm on a new one. After all, dogs have owners - cats have staff.

Blomma, I use the top of the fridge for heliotrope, which requires higher temps.

You two are brilliant! I'm running out of space. Taking your suggestions!

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(Robin) Blissfield, MI(Zone 6a)

Lol DonnaMack! The first pic was precious. I'm a staffer too.

(Pam) Warren, CT(Zone 5b)

Too funny! My daughter's cat watches until people get up from a chair and then plops down on the pre-warmed seat.

Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

Pam, my Siamese does that every time!

Hendersonville, NC(Zone 7a)

All this talk of seedlings and heat mats is making me green with envy!

I've still got THIRTEEN DAYS to go until I can start my seeds!!!

And heat mats for cats!!! That does it!! All my planning on keeping my lil seedlings roots warm. . . . well. WHAT ABOUT ME??? I'm a restless sleeper and wake up regularly. . . . cold, with one blanket on the floor to my left and t'other on the floor to my right. That's right, folks: I regularly have to re-make my bed in the middle of the night! So when I heard an ad for a SALE on electric blankets: you bet your bippie I bought a "heat mat" . . . . for ME!!! LOL

York, PA

Thanks for all the suggestions! Took a little bit of time tonight for a macro photo shoot and once again walked away with more questions then anything:
Pic 1: What seed germinator doesn't get excited about this view?
Pic 2: This is a seed shell on the end of a seedling leaf. Is the mold typical in the high humidity of a dome, and do I need to be concerned with it being on/around the seedlings?
Pic 3: Noticed I have(had) a seedling trapped tonight. Yet another reason to not use the self contained wafers. A few moments with a sharp micro scissors, and it is free.
Pic 4: backed out view of pic#2 for size comparison.
Pic 5: I am presuming this new growth is the start of a "true set of leaves"?

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York, PA

Strong point to remind myself of my mistakes.

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Lake Stevens, WA(Zone 8a)

Donna-LOVE the cat incubator pics. Especially #1, with top and bottom heat. Maybe DG should have a forum with nothing but cute pet photos.
Zig- That is exciting. I just got a real macro lens and tripod so soon I can take nice pics like yours.

Kiowa, CO(Zone 5b)

Donna...lol, love the pix....were to able to salvage any seedlings?

BigZig...yes your true leaves are beginning to grow on pix 4.

Here's some pix of my seedlings this year. And one of the local nurseries is giving away 2 Cyclamen plants and then I got 2 more from the guy ahead of me as he didn't want them, lol, thank you!

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

Believe it or not, yes!

Your seedlings are rocking out.

I'm annoyed with myself, seeing your lovely cyclamen, that I didn't BUY some. He rejected freebies?

Natick, MA

And in what world do they GIVE AWAY free cyclamens!?
I'm living in the wrong place, apparently!

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Kiowa, CO(Zone 5b)

It's a promotion to get people to come in this time of the year since there's not much going on now. They offer classes all winter and spring but want to get us in to buy things (and I did)..lol.

Staten Island, NY(Zone 6a)

I want to share my idea with cookies holder trays I saved last year because they make good container to sow seeds. I sowed
tomatoes in them today.

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Natick, MA

What did you buy????? :-)

Staten Island, NY(Zone 6a)

I bought Chocolate Chip cookies, I think they were Keeblers.

Natick, MA

No, I meant Kathy..what did you buy (at the free Cyclamen place!?)

Cytf, the problem with the cookie containers is i have to EAT the cookie to get the containers! LOL...good idea, tho! I'm for using anything that works.
I planted my basil in smaller water bottles...cut off top 1/2 and put coffee filter in bottom to hold dirt; fill with dirt and plant seeds....

Put top 1/2 with seeds in bottom 1/2 filled with water and it will wick up and be a self-waterer :)
Working good so far! Larger "pot" is popcorn jar cut in 1/2 and inverted for "self watering feature" :) These are under my under-cabinet kitchen lights.

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Staten Island, NY(Zone 6a)

Hi valal, I bought those cookies for my church choir concert , they were my contribution to the intermission refreshments break. I try to keep cookies out of my house because I will eat to much . Lol. When I saw how neat the containers were I figured they will fit nice on my windowsills and they have. I put the tomato seeds in the morning sun window. I like how nice and healthy your seedlings look ,that a great idea . I will try that sometime. I use to water bottles in the middle of my hanging baskets in the summertime to water them because you know these baskets dry out o lot.

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