Anyone interested in GMO Foods in our supermarket.

I want to chime in here with a comment about the very first post above. Dr. Davis NEVER talked/wrote about GMO wheat. (I have his book.) What he does talk about is our modern wheat that has been hybridized since the 1950's to produce more wheat kernels on much shorter stalks. The shorter stalks mean less waste in the fields because the stalks do not fall over as much.

His book cites much research on the genetic differences in our modern wheat, and why it leads to disease and obesity. I won't get involved in any acromonius discussion here, but your library probably has a copy of his book you can read.
http://www.amazon.com/Wheat-Belly-Weight-Health-ebook/dp/B00571F26Y/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1370785462&sr=1-1&keywords=wheat+belly+by+william+davis+md

My area of concern is Monsanto's use of the terminator gene. I hope this excerpt from Notre Dame will count as "fact". http://www3.nd.edu/~chem191/f2.html

Edited to include link which I hope, will be considered "factual".

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Speaking of the 'terminator gene'... did you know the USA holds more than half of the patents on it?

I suspect in the not too distant future, most seeds will have the terminator gene so that seed prices will be at the mercy of those who created them.

That is why I support Seed Savers.

Whooppsie... I left out the important part of my post above on terminator seeds... Here's the correction:

Speaking of the 'terminator gene'... did you know the US government holds more than half of the patents on it?

And we all know how trustworthy the US Government is!

OT - I just harvested tea from my tea plant for the first time today.

darius: If you want to quote something, that is your right. But do not go into my post & try to change what I have posted. I stand behind everything I wrote. Come up with some of your own ideas,. Also, while we are on this subject, a person does not have to be a doctor to figure out what is bad or good for us to eat. If you were to feed a dog or cat, bread,cake,cookies(wheat products) every day, they would become anemic & probally die. But that is exactly what we humans are eating.

Just noticed this thread and am wondering why the people who object to the concept of reining in GMOs bother to post on it. I don't understand why you don't just stop following the thread and leave it to people who do have concerns. As we saw on the previous thread, you're not going to convince them and they're not going to convince you, so why spend your time (and unleash your vitriol) here?

My only request is that genetically engineered food be so labeled. And to those who say doing so will raise food prices so they will no longer be able to afford to eat ... I ask

How much do you suppose it would cost for the following statement to be added to labels?

Contains genetically modified ingredients.

Or for even less money:

Contains GMO's

Behillman, there is no GMO wheat being sold in the U.S. Trials of GMO wheat were run in the early years of this century, but the wheat was never approved for distribution because there was a great deal of resistance from wheat farmers, who were concerned that consumers would not accept a modified product that was so much a staple in our food system. In addition foreign buyers would have boycotted it. The GMO wheat which was found on a farm in Oregon is an issue because it was not supposed to be released for general consumption, so the question is how it got into the field and are there other wheat crops that are similarly affected.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/06/us-usa-monsanto-lawsuit-idUSBRE9530U320130606

behillman, I was NOT trying to change your post, only pointing out that the information about what Dr. William Davis actually believes is contrary to what you posted. Obviously some misinterpretation somewhere. I've done a lot of research on his work, and admire his stance.

Put on your big boy whitey-tighties and do some internet research on Dr. Davis and what he really says about hybrid wheat, and see if he ever says ANYTHING that link health issues to GMO wheat.

We just had a thread closed that was all about labeling. So why hash it all over again.
Does anybody do anything but worry about these things. Do you even bother planting your favorite "non GMO" seeds ?
Get a life !

Please read this, as found on the Internet.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505269-162-57505149/modern-wheat-a-perfect-chronic-poison-doctor-says/

Behillman, that link doesn't seem to work.

Okay, I found it. Here's the link:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505269_162-57505149/modern-wheat-a-perfect-chronic-poison-doctor-says/

Let's see if this works better than the first one.

But what he's saying is what Darius pointed out - that modern wheat has been bred over the centuries to be very different from the wheat that our ancestors ate. This isn't GMO wheat - created in a laboratory through insertion of specific genes from other species in its DNA - but simply wheat that has been crossed and recrossed to change the strains and breed for specific traits, just as crops have been bred and hybridized for centuries.

In the other thread, when mentioned that non GMO label the food as such, it was not well received. Seems the thinking is force big business to do as the minority wishes.

Seems as though some farmers, & others are beginning to think along the lines of going back to different seeds. Weeds are becoming resistant to RU. One farmer found that a ½ pound of sugar mixed with any spray, per year, will keep aphids off his soybeans. Apparently the aphids can't handle the proteins & die from lack of food.

BT works the same way for caterpillars, such as cabbage lopers & corn borers. That is where the BT corn comes in & potatoes are sprayed with BT to knock out potato bugs. BT is an organic pesticide and can be used on organic crops.

Believe it or not big business like Monsanto doesn't want to kill people or soils, because if they did they would soon be out of business. How many people own stock in these big businesses through mutual funds.

Just some things to think about.

Sorry.... it should read 505269_162- But I have another link you might try. http:naturalsociety.com/doctor-says-genetically-modified-wheat-perfect-chronic-poison.

Behillman, The link I posted worked because I changed the hyphens, as you indicated. The second link you provided does talk about GMO wheat -

"A new GM wheat in development by the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CIRO), an Australian governmental research agency, may permanently alter the genes of the humans and animals that consume it.

Read more: http://naturalsociety.com/doctor-says-genetically-modified-wheat-perfect-chronic-poison/#ixzz2Vkckware
Follow us: @naturalsociety on Twitter | NaturalSociety on Facebook"

but Dr. Davis wasn't saying that it's in use here, just that an organization in Australia is developing it, and there are obvious dangers if it can alter the genes of organisms that consume it. Thanks for providing that link; I hadn't heard of this.

What is bothering you, Ranch? We told her (or him) that Dr. Davis wasn't talking about GMO wheat, so she quoted an article to show us that in fact he was, although he wasn't saying that GMO wheat is approved and available for sale in the U.S.

But why do you care what behillman writes? It's her (or his) thread and she can say what she likes here.

What part of the following do you have a challenge comprehending???

w_r_ranch

Is your goal to get this thread shut down?

It sure seems like it to me as you constantly criticize others who are posting. It has been politely suggested that you simply ignore the thread since it obviously does not met your personal criteria as what should be posted. Since you are not respecting the rights of others to free speech without impuning their intelligence, my assumption is that you have a personal agenda concerning GMO and are trying to limit discussion of this issue on Dave's Garden.

w-r-ranch -

What if the seeds with the terminator gene are given to a third world country in a mercy mission to prevent starvation and the next year they produce no food?

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Hopefully, Yankee Cat, those selling the seeds will tell the purchasers in advance that the seeds will not reproduce. Unfortunately, they will probably not inform the purchaser that future seed prices will escalate to the point that they will be unaffordable. Then these poor farmers will have to sell their land to the seed producers, who will then hire the previous owners to raise the crops.

From what I have read, this has already happened in poorer nations.

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w_r_ranch - my post was executed before yours was posted, so I had not seen your answer.

To answer your question:

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Not even close. I don't have a website. I'm a retired old lady who cares about the future of this planet.

w_r_ranch

Russians Proving That Small-Scale, Organic Gardening Can Feed the World

http://reclaimgrowsustain.com/content/russians-proving-small-scale-organic-gardening-can-feed-world

I have visited rice farms in India and I saw women with babies on their backs, spreading chemicals by hand. When we engineer food well, we get better yields, better results with less water and other harsh conditions, and farmers can use fewer chemicals and pesticides. I have some concerns and urge for careful development and use of GMOs. But if I was alive when penicillin was discovered, I would have urged for the careful development and use of that too. And by the way, the anti-GMO science is very poor. Be careful about the anti-GMO hype, and ask yourself who funds the anti-GMO crowd. Could it be chemical companies, or others with motives that are not as pure as you think?

http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2012/09/24/anti-gmo-study-is-appropriately-dismissed-as-biased-poorly-performed/

Well, pooh. I wrote a response this morning to HoneyBee and Memory about terminator seeds, but it evaporated into space. The gist was that the foreign aid policy of the U.S. often requires farmer's to use only Monsanto seeds as part of the deal. (Seeds are free in the initial aid package.) That's especially true in Africa.

We all know Monsanto does not allow seed-saving, so the seeds might as well carry the Terminator Gene.

So you believe that pro GMO studies are NOT suspect or funded by chemical chemicals or people with motives that are not as pure as we think?

Chester67 I don't see anything bad about women working in the fields. Its much more healthier then sitting in an airconditioned house, watching tv, & eating chips. Besides, they are working for their food, instead of collecting food stamps. As a gardener, we all go out into our gardens when its hot,wet,cold,etc. You can call us stupid, but we like working in our gardens. So, do not feel sorry for those women. I feel proud of those women.