i have slugs

I LOVE the UK, love the British! You guys are fun loving people. I got stuck in San Juan during Hurricane Hugo, and guess who took me in? The flight crew from British Airways, we were all stuck at the same hotel (no power, no water, no food) and they "took me under their British wings." I was completely alone till they came along. They helped me get home.

OK you guys, I tried to remember who it was that said they LIKED to squash aphids with their fingers (ICK!!) but I can't. I've only got a few minutes right now but I'd said I would post a couple of photos I took of some aphids in my 'flower patch' last year. So here they are (check out those funky and mysterious 'orange looking' things on the back of the one aphid.....doesn't looked like 'poop' or what the ants consider nectar, so what IS it??). Also check out that look of shear contentment on the ants face in the other one!! LOL Oh....and this is a small section of the aphids. I cropped the photos to get a better close-up. There were waaaaayyy more aphids than this on this plant (or weed?).

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Here's the ant one.

My soul, GrammyJo, what kind of camera do you have to get a shot like that? Somewhere in some thread someone said aphids had wings. I've never seen one with wings and certainly couldn't spot a wing in your photo. I do know one thing, those jokers are hard to get rid of. I had them gone for about three days and now they are back. Only thing they get on is my okra. Now their cousins the white flies have joined them. Help!!!

Lynnie, my mom use to wonder what happened to her baking chocolate and the chocolate syrup. Thankfully, I was born looking innocent.

jjs don't know if I'll have a truck load but everything sure has been in abundance. Wife told me today she didn't want to see another cucumber. Wish I had kept a record of everything. Believe it or not guys, but yesterday I picked a Wal Mart bag full of snap beans. How on earth could they pollinate in all this heat.

One gripe before I go, all of a sudden the threads are to wide for my screen. Constantly have to scroll back and forth to see who is writing what. Am I the only one?

Jim, go to "VIEW" on the toolbar menu up top then down to TEXT SIZE (usually right in the middle) and change to a smaller size... That should fix it. (hopefully)

As for aphids, I discovered an all natural homemade spray from one of the posters here. Just two tablespoons of Dr. Bronner's Peppermint Castille soap mixed with about a cup of water then spray on your plants. It actually does kill almost on contact. Tried it with the ants trailing up our peach tree and they went kaput ^-^! The soap's cheap too. I got mine from Amazon.com but some local stores sell it too. I spray the concoction every week just until I get the bugs under control. Plus it don't stink like the storebought pesticides :-) a real plus!

I'll give that a try if I can find it. Going to the big city tomorrow and might be able to. Used Murphy's Oil Soap today but it rained about an hour later. Don't know if it had time to do any good. Was a little afraid of it because of the oil. I know herbisidal oils will kill your plants in our heat. Today for us was really cool, only 80. Been a 100 for the past month.

Is that a portrait of you on your post. Sure a cute little thing. With those eyes you could be from the south.

Wifes threating to shoot me if I stay up late tonight so had better go.

Jim, I’d NEVER eat ‘pickled okra’!! Just the thought makes me gag. I’ve tried fried but ‘no thanks’. My camera is a Canon Power Shot S5 IS, 8 meg. I want a different one though because as good as this one is I want one I can change lenses on and one with way more megs so I can get MUCH higher detailed macros. I’m somewhat of a photography nut (an amateur though). I actually did quite a bit to them in my software since when I took the photos I use the ‘vivid’ setting. They ended up way too color saturated so I had to tone them down a lot and I then added the magnification. I HOPE when more peeps check back in that someone can tell us what those orange thingies are. I’m thinking it’s the same as the clear droplet (on the aphid near that one), which is just 'fluid'. Poor Jo when she had the chiggers. They’re horrible!

Lynnie, your kiddo’s have a GOOD mom! And of course we mom’s worry, goes with the territory. But let’s NOT forget about GUILT! I mean that’s the major ‘gift’ we get when we become moms (and for the rest of our lives too ;o) Girl, it’ll be a million years at least before I’ll touch a slug!! I’ve stepped on them and that was enough to almost make me upchuck! What a FUNNY story about your trip!! I mean.... what were your chances of accidentally walking into a scene being filmed in IRELAND??? Too funny! I would truly love to go there but I seriously doubt I’ll ever get to. And my hubby is a worse home body that I am.

Chezca, I didn’t know about that link you told Jim about either. I’ll definitely check it out. I think I might have seen that movie you spoke about too. Do you watch ‘Ghost Hunters’? There’s a new one on tonight (Wed.)

COOL! ‘Skip to new’ worked like a charm. yeah!
Jim…pastry and chocolate?........I’M THERE!! By the way Jim, are you keeping up with the mint thread? I haven’t had a CHANCE to post in about 3 days. Know what we could do?......Let’s fill paper bags FULL of slugs, put them on their porches and light them, then knock on their doors and yell FIRE! We can hide behind a bush and watch the fun! LOL
I’ve never been to France or up the Eiffel Tower but I have been in the ‘crown’ of the Statue of Liberty and looked out those tiny little windows and also to the top of the Empire State bldg, both when I was 10. I can still remember both quite vividly too, especially that narrow spiral staircase inside the Statue of Liberty. Been to the top of the Sears Tower too (which has a new name now I heard). Oh, I also WALKED all the way up the Washington Monument with my dad and brother that same Summer. Needless to say we took the stairs back down. So you can see I HAVE been high before. Uhh….let me rephrase that……

jjsgramma, your grandsons are DOLLS! My oldest granddaughter will be 8 in Nov. We have 3 other grkids too, the youngest (a boy) will be two this year. And sorry dear but your ‘squash vine borers’ are just too BORING (get it….borers are boring??) LOL I crack myself up! ;o)
I’ll be checking out that link you added too. I did peek and I loved what I saw. Buddleia mint?..how darling! And the ‘Eau de’ is very pretty too (love that pink picotee). I think I’ll be ordering MANY more mints for next Spring. Thanks!
And you know what they say Jim ‘familiarity breeds contempt’, especially on vacations!

OK…can’t possibly catch up with ALL these posts so let me just say DARK CHOCOLATE RULES! Yes, Lynnie, I TOO have eaten dark chocolate morsels and they taste fine to me. ;o) (I love to put two on my tongue and stick the flat sides together while they melt in my mouth.) Oh dear…..it’s such a burden being so talented…… LOL I had to laugh about your ‘desperation’ and eating baking chocolate. I did the same thing about 6 mos ago and I was like WHOA…. way too bitter for me, and I LIKE bitter chocolate! It's great that since they've discovered the health benefits of dark they've starting using it to coat stuff and not just use milk choco. all the time.
I really lucked out this year with the aphids. I have a huge chartreuse Spirea and last year it was just covered with them. It was horrible. This year I noticed it was covered with what I believed to be lacewing ‘lions’ (the nymphs?). And they cleaned that whole shrub. They’re voracious aphid eaters.
Chezca I’m certainly going to try the Dr. Bronner’s Pep. Cast. soap mixture. Does it just smell minty or does it have actual mint oil in it? If it has no oil I might put a couple of drops in it. I don’t think that small amount would hurt during the summer. Hope not anyway!
See ya guys. I’m off for the night to dream of………..SLUGS!

(Oh please………..NOT THOSE!!!!) ;o)
Oh Jim...... I meant to tell you, YES aphids can have wings. I've seen many with them.


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the aphids that are rampaging everywhere in our garden at the moment are green, they are eating the plants to bits. then we have the little red beetles with yellow spots on thier backs ( aint got a clue what they are called but anyway the have taken a liking to lillys.
how to get rid of them???????????? what is a girl to do?????????
back to mint (oh no ) here are some more popular ones in the uk.

http://herbs.lovetoknow.com/Slideshow:Types_of_Mint~9

have tried most of these.some are very attractive to grow just for the scent and flowers. just view the site and the pictures are woth a look just press next at bottom of screen.
whats this got to do with slugs??
who am i???
who are you???
where am i??? im off for a good old english cuppa.

Grammyjo those are some awesome pictures...my aphids are green too Lainymay.....they look so innocuous when i first saw them I didn't know if they were good or bad....I'm a beginner, remember! lol

we got downpours yesterday, I was glad because I never finished watering everything the day before, and it kept me inside and now my house is spotless. I'm hoping it washed away the paint in my mother's yard...my sister stopped over when we were painting the arbor & she grabbed a brush to help, stuck her foot in the paint can & knocked it over. There was a big puddle of paint my mother wanted me to "dig it up." lol I am not a professional!

Jim I meant to ask what is jungle food?

Chezka is Ground Force a cable show? I don't have any pay stations.

Hey everyone just FYI if interested I found a site that has a lot of different homemade remedies for insects and fungicides. Remember I am about as computer illiterate as I am a gardener. Hope this works. Hope this is allowed if not SORRY
www.pharmerphil.proboards.com
click on gardening 101 then scroll down to sub catagories click on Homemade remedies
Probably an easier way but I don't know it

They also say to soak your seeds in peroxide before planting. Suppose to help prevent fungus. I don't plant seeds so I wouldn't know going it try with my pumpkins next year though. I know thats no help for this year

Lynnie, GroundForce was on BBC America. Don't know where the reruns are shown if any. YouTube has SOME free episodes :) Amazon.com has the "Best of Ground Force" dvd for $6!

Jim, what portrait? (or were you talkin to grammy or gramma? ^-^

Grammy, I USED to watch GH, even TiVoed it. BUT they've gotten sooo commercialized that I stopped watchin it... It's like Mario Brothers meet Ghostbusters ^-^!

Btw, I meant: Menu bar on your Explorer window (not DG's interface). You know, where "File", "Edit", "View". etcetera etcetera. Click VIEW and look for TEXT SIZES then just change to a smaller text size... Goodluck y'all!

Ooh I just looked at my profile, Jim! I'd forgotten about THAT portrait! And YES, that's li'l ole me ;-)! It's been soo long since that photo was taken, I probably gained a few scales here an thar! ...

Chezca, now I'm going to have to find out where the profiles are. Been wondering what all of you looked like. I was talking about all the pretty little faces you put on your comments.

jjs, I had never heard of soaking you seed in peroxide. Might give it a try. Always soak my okra seed in clorox for thirty minutes before planting. Softens up that hard seed so it will germinate quicker.

Lynnie, what we always called jungle food, is food you can easily transport, that won't spoil. Vienna sausage, beenie weenies, pork and beans, crackers, potted meat, deviled ham, hoop cheese, apples, oranges and the like. Pipe liners call it jungle food and when we were picking cotton or combining beans that's what we called it as well. Probably a lot of other names folks call it by.

lainymay, be careful of disposing of those beetles you are talking about. I carried a little speckled varmint attached to a leaf and a speckled little beetle looking thing to my pastor who just happens to be a bug expert. He scouts cotton and other crops for bugs for the farmers. He told me the one attached to the leaf was the larva of a lady bug and the other fierce looking rascal was the next stage of a lady bug. That might be what you have and if so they are feeding on the aphids.

Thanks Grammy. I read that on the thread but have never seen the wings. Still haven't. Taking my magnifying glass to the garden this afternoon.

Oh NO I found a slug in my pumpkins as if borers weren't enough.
And I have a pumpkin out there the size of one of those little round seedless watermelons
Friend of my husband told him they were doomed. If I have to bottle feed those suckers I'll prove him WRONG.
And if that isn't enough the dog decided to play tag with a wasp.

ATTENTION! ATTENTION! SLUG ALERT! CODE:AMBER I REPEAT CODE:AMBER

The following is an on site report from one of our SLUG watchdogs. Come in Jim41.

Yes, I am here although my heart is racing. I have just had the shock of my life. The shock of my life.

Calm down Jim41 and give us the report.

Well it happened like this, me and the Mrs. was taking our morning walk. She was fresh and perky as could be. Enough to make you sick.

Stick to the point Jim41.

Yeah, yeah, I know. Anyway, we was walking along, and I was trying to get a look at my feet to see if my shoes were tied, but all I could see was my toes. Blousey old shirt, know my belly ain't that big.

JIM !!!!

Excuse me. Anyway my slug alert began to clang like all get out. I realized then that I was hearing a ding occasionally but it just hadn't registered. Had stayed up to late last night on Dave's Gardening. Anyhow, you ain't never heared such a clamor. Immediate, my investigative senses went on high alert. Right there in the middle of the road was the most horrible sight I ever seen in all my born days.

WHAT JIM? WHAT?

Slug trails! I don't mean A slug trail. I mean SLUG TRAILS! Not squad or platoon size or regimental size, I'm a talking about Divisional Size. Lordy, it's enough to scare you to death. Thousands of trail nearly touching each other. Looked like they were crawling in formation. Off on either side you could see where the scouts were keeping an eye on the flanks. Never have I seen something like this. It's like some super slug has organized them and they are moving like an army. Worse than that if my trailing ability is working right, they are headed for my garden. Mine I say.

Calm down, Jim.

Brother, there ain't no calming down for me. I am on high alert. And if this thing is nation wide we are in TROUBLE. Probably won't be no Dave's for me tonight. I got a dump truck full of salt on the way. If they don't slime me to death, I'm gonna salt them to death.

Thanks Jim41 for that report. Well folks you have heard it right from the horse's mouth. Errr! I think that was the end he was talking from. Over and out.

JJ that is funny! tag with a wasp, well not for your dog

Jim you are too funny...did you have some of them chocolates with liquer left over from germany? maybe their going to lainymay's slug training camp.....

All jokes aside, this morning while we were walking I saw a place on the asphalt road that was one solid slug track. It was probably 10 feet wide and you would have been hard put to put your finger down and not touch one. I've never seen anything like it before.

Jim41, I almost fell outta my seat! ^-^ ROTFLOL! Bravah!

Lynnie, I think he ate his fermented slug eating cantaloupes! :-)

Hey guys, some people have it and some don't. I have it. Just don't know what it is.

A moment of truth: I pastored at my first church for seventeen years. I think the only reason they kept me that long was because they were trying to figure me out. Guess what? They never succeeded. Course it helped that I am the "Champion Neck Hugger of All Time."

HEY...LOOK AT THE TIME.....ONLY 4:05AM AND HERE I SIT!!! And I'm sooooooo glad I did because I NEEDED that laugh (or those LAUGHS) Mr. Jim!! HA!! HA!! (snort snort) LOLOLOL!!!!!
(Seriously though Jim......NO more muffins for you. The sugar is getting to your brain!!)

I really am going to bed (about time don'tcha think??) but wanted to drop a couple of hints before I do. Lynnie said it was pouring rain and then I remembered that I have often sprayed off aphids with the hose. Of course it doesn't kill them but it WILL knock them off and they might not climb up the same plant! And after knocking them off you might could just stomp around the plants and squash them too! (Try and do this when your neighbors AREN'T looking out their windows.) ;o)

jjsgramma, another thought I had (don't know if I've actually read this or not, maybe though...) try putting baby powder on your pumpkins (I’d use quite a bit), repeat if it rains. I don't think it would hurt them and it MIGHT keep the slugs off. The powder is just tiny crystals of talc and slugs wouldn’t like that.

chezka, I still watch GHs. They find more 'things' now and I don't think they're too commercial. You do…..REALLY?? Of course I have a different take on 'ghosts' than many peeps. But it's still entertaining and I'm into 'spiritual' stuff.

lainymay, Jim's right about being careful about snuffing out some bugs. Remember I talked about my Spirea (think I talked about it in this thread) and how covered it was with aphids last year and this year it had tons of Lacewing 'babies' on it. They're called 'lions' and so are those 'babies' of Ladybugs (aren’t they actually called nymphs?..can't remember). Anyway they LOVE aphids!!! They sure made my Spirea squeeky clean! So find out what they are before you send them to bug heaven (or the 'other' place! ;o)

OK....nite all!


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ok, Jim, what's a neck hugger? Is that when somebody wraps their arms around your neck real tight & won't let go? Cuz I think my kids might have you on that one..

I have another slug confession....I wouldn't know a slug trail if i saw one...I have never noticed one. The baby slugs I had were in the grass. For beginner's gardening homework, I'll try to find a slug trail. I feel a little slug ignorant.

Chezka & Grammyjo, I have watched Ghosthunters a few times, every time i think I should send them to my mother's.

JJ, the other day my husband comes outside to find me with my cell phone in hand, crawling along my shrubs...'what are you doing?' he asks me. I'm taking pictures of these beetles so I can post them on the forum & look them up & see what they are' He then tells me my cell phone has no memory card. In between pics I was answering the phone. One of the beetles was red with black spots but had a segmented body...I wanted the pic because I had never seen it before. I used to have tons of ladybugs, I don't know what happened to them.
But between me whacking my shrubs with my shoe every time I see a japanese beetle, then crawling around with my cell phone, the neighbors must think I'm nuts. Can you imagine if I started powdering them?

Lynnie, Some of the cell phones will plug into your computer. I have to admit I don't know how, but my son saves pic to the phone then has a cord that plugs into the phone and the computer to download the pics. Another confession, I have never seen a slug trail either. Slugs yes but the trail no.
Grammy,( That sounds odd coming from me) I just might try the baby powder. Can't hurt. My husband says I'm obsessed just buy a darn pumpkin. His fault he knows better than to let someone tell me' it won't work or can't be done '. That's why we have Lilies growing out of the gravel in the driveway.
Jim I love your stories if you decide to give up preaching you would make a
GREAT kid sitter.
Gotta go have half the neighorhood kids in the pool and the yard needs mowed.

Hey Guys, I missed all of you last night. Went to bed early for me. Had to up at 5:30 a.m. to get the hospital for surgery of one of my group. Couldn't get to sleep and ended up in front of the computer to 4:30. Thank God I am so young and vibrant and energy filled. I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'm trying to sell, too. Anyone interested? I'm glad you enjoyed the story. It was fun to write. I suppose by now all have figured out that I am a nut case.

Lynnie, sweetie, a neck hugger is just one that wraps his arm around someone, lays his cheek next to hers and squeezes as hard as allowed. I'm straight but I'll hug the men too, if they'll stand for it. The only problem I have about the huggin is my wife. "Tell the women to quit getting make-up all over your coat. It is to expensive to have it cleaned every week." I promise, those are words right out of her mouth. Jealous little rascal, huh.

Lynnie, you can see what kind of imagination I have, the picture of you down on your knees with a cell phone, really had me rolling. The wife has decided this must be a dirty site, for some reason. The baby powder is to funny for words.

Speaking of pictures, I joined Dave's last night so I could hunt up your pictures. Don't know if I got in the right place or not. Didn't find anyone I knew except for GrammyJo. Not through looking yet.

Got to looking around on the various forums after I joined up and it didn't take me long to discover that those guys on the members only forums are way to serious for me. Even found them discussing the scientific aspects of a post I had made about tomatoes. Goooolllly! What a can of worms I opened. They had decided that what I had written about spraying tomatoes with milk wouldn't work. Up till then I had kept silent, I just had to add that it might not work but had seen and eaten the result. Got a feeling I'll hear back from them.

Slug tracks and snail tracks look exactly the same, you have to find them on the road or under the carport, any paved surface. Catch the sunlight at an angle and you can see the dried slime trails they leave behind. They apparently put down a laver of slime as they crawl to cut down on friction. Goodness, I sound just like those yahoos on the other threads.

Probably won't here from me again tonight. Told Jo I'm taking sleeping pill tonight and going to catch up on some rest.

Love you all,
Jim

Jim41, I am just now trying to catch up on this thread and wow you guy's are keeping this one going;-) Still enjoying your storie's and I just loved the picture of your Daylily. Beautiful! I will through in a pic or two soon as well.

Hug's and "good nite.. don't let the bed bug's bite;-)"

Rachel

Mimosa bloom's and butterflie's.

Rachel

This summer has been very WET on Martha's Vineyard. And even when if it has not been raining it's been overcast.
End result seems to be an over population of slugs. Slugs that come out at night crawl across my deck and up my sliding glass doors twenty -thirty or more. Any thoughts on how to deal with this??? We live in a wooded area popular with birds, squirrels, rabbits , skunks, raccoon, and deer so poison is not a good solution.

Sure;-) Beer and Sluggo.

DRINK the beer and batter em slugs! ^-^

Chezca, you gave me a good laugh!

Rachel that picture is beautiful! I want to plant a mimosa tree.

JJ my OLD cell phone had a memory card AND a cord for the computer...this one is new. Every time I get used to a phone, my hubby buys me a new one & I have to start all over. And I didn't just use the camera because it's memory card is full & I don't know how to delete pictures off it lol My husband doesn't get me the phone accessories until he knows I like the phone, but I've never returned one, I'm not that picky if I can call & answer it I don't care about fancy features. Until I'm crawling around shrubs.

Chezka & Grammyjo, we brought the kids to an amusement park yesterday & there was a "haunted house" and when I walked in I yelled 'oh my God!' and the girl came running...the wallpaper was the same wallpaper in my mother's kitchen! All 4 of us were cracking up. My husband took pics of it with HIS cell phone (he gets all the accessories....he's a computer geek & likes his gadgets). If you ask any of us which room is the spookiest at my mother's, you'll get different answers. Some say the dining room. Some say the 3rd floor...some say the yellow bedroom. Nobody picks the kitchen. My mother was in a car accident years ago & we all took turns staying over...it was so creepy I vowed NEVER AGAIN. I'd make her come to my house. Even if she were in traction.

Jim that reminds me of a story about a boy who won a pumpkin growing contest with a "milk fed" pumpkin. Don't know of anybody who ever tried that (pumpkins weren't growing in every yard in Boston) but it was something I always wanted to try. And life is too short to be so serious, no? That's why I don't golf. Those people do NOT look like they're having fun. tell Jo we on the slug forum have been sniffing too much Sluggo and we're hanging about waiting for some mater gravy & cat head biscuits.

That's funny, Lynnie ^-^! Rachel, your tree is gorgeous! I never appreciated mimosa trees before just because they grew like weeds in my hometown so there is no actual "demand" for them way back when... Now is a different story- all that dang construction just about annihilated every signle one of em thangs :-(...

Oh and same with my parents' house, nobody would be caught dead mucking around upstairs after 12 noon... Seriously! My aunts and uncles said that it's like you were never really alone upstairs (even if you were just the only one there), they always felt like someone's watching them or is right in the same room with them... . Me, I was the "young'un" so I didn't KNOW about these things cos they only told me years later when I had the fortunate wisdom to start getting spooked... I betcha that's why it always fell on me to "go get this and go get that upstairs, will ya?" :-) I just always thought that grown-ups were just plain lazy^-^! But then again, they DID give me the biggest (and I thought COOLEST) room in the house for my FIRST ever grownup bedroom... And where was it (you may ask)? Upstairs. (grown-ups! Hrmph!)

Chezka, that's how my mother's is! You're NOT alone...it's downright freak you out creepy. I don't care what time it is, they're pressing in on you. My sister says (Jim cover your eyes) Satan lives in the dining room lol (doesn't seem right talking light of Satan in front of a pastor). Everybody in the family has had big loud disagreements about which room is more creepy. The house is big and bright & clean as a whistle, it's not like it's covered with cobwebs & old velvet furniture, she redecorates every 10 years...(except that wallpaper they put up 36 years ago lol) One of my friends stayed over one night, in the yellow room. She asked me who else stayed in there...I said nobody, you were alone. She insisted she heard somebody in the room with her...got a little worked up. My mother would ask for something upstairs & we'd all look at each other lol

^-^! SLUGS AND ghosts!!!! What more can you ask for?!?

"NOBODY" bothered me much upstairs :-)... I was around, I'd say, 10 or 11 yrs old when I reigned over our upstairs (everybody else occupied all the downstairs bedrooms, even my pathetic brothers). I loved it up there cos I gots free reign!^-^ That's also where I started with "gardening" (if you can call it that!)... :

I was lookin out of my bedroom window one day and saw my mom unloading her "finds" from a local nursery. She left one small pot and forgot all about. I asked her if I could have it so she said yes. I took it up to my room and rigged my sister's discarded IV drip contraption with water and stuck it to the plant! (I was just curious to see if it would work since the IV drip worked on my sister when she got dehydrated, I was hoping same would apply to my plant! :-) Well, my dad visited me in MY domain (I guess I sorta became a bit of a hermit) one day and saw what I've done to the plant... I thought I was in big doodoo because I wasn't supposed to play with needles! He stared at it for a long time and looked at me and asked "did you do this?" I said yes and explained to him a-matter-of-factly, my hypothesis, the SCIENCE behind it! (left the part out where i thought it would just be plain COOL to stick an IV drip to a plant) Well my dad thought he got himself a genius daughter :-)...
My little experiment lived for about 2 months. It died because one of my brothers knocked it over and mangled the plant "accidentaly"...

Stumbled on this thread and have been grinning like crazy! And I'm at work!!! You guys are hilarious!

Welcom Cat6! Ya have to read the thread from the beginning (I know! Who has THAT time huh!) to BEGIN to understand how our brains work :-) ^-^....


SLUGS RULE! BOOYAH! ^-^