Morning Glories 2009 #01

Darren, ditto, beautiful flower.

Becky, have you ever checked on the Iris in the plantfiles.. please do so and see that under the same species there are probably thousands of different names. I wish I could explain what I am talking about more to be understood. But, it appears it makes matters worse. I will follow the guidelines here in the United States because this is where I live and will die..lol, so with that said, it seems simple enough to me, but I can't explain it in the terms that are expected..

All I have mean't to say, is this... I. nil should be in front of SOH etc.. that all whether it has a different name or not, it will not take away from the fact that it is I. purpurea Rebecca, as long as the correct species is in front the rest should not matter, except to whom ever is purchasing for that particular name or color...

Try the Gong Show...

I have no more ear for this brand of silliness...

Maybe it is you who should try the gong show, you can't seem to respond to questions that you simply cannot answer.

Try chamomile tea...maybe a cool shower....high renaissance motets by Byrd or Tallis...aromatherapy...you're definitely not at your best right now...take a break...(!)...chill...regroup...reconsider and try another time...

Ron, have a great day, if I insulted you, I am sorry, but, I didn't mean to. care to share the tea..lol

I do like the idea of putting the species in front of the cultivar name. I try to minimize growing I. purpureas and I. hederacea here because they get rather aggressive in my yard. Such labeling would be very helpful to me. I have begun to limit ... growing 2 or 3 ... I. purpureas a year here for that reason. Plus I soooo love the I. nils! Nothing other than Moonflower matches the size of many I. nil blooms!

Forget the tea ... come join me on my walkabout in my garden today! :-)

Becky, me too, I've been pulling all the wild purpureas in my flower beds, they choke everything out.

You are right about forgetting the tea, All the Tea in China, couldn't change my mind regarding my thoughts.

Jackie, maybe it is time for a new post, this may be getting too long for dial ups.

A.

To our new thread #02

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/983634

Gourd, I totally agree with the species name being most important. I`ll take the sunny garden walk too! It is raining here right after I went through the trouble to water everything. At least all the pots have their regular deep watering they require.

Scarlett O`Hara is a ipomoea nil kikineyou type vine. These are small flowered long vines that come in more colors than the traditional red SOH.

http://lionnet.fc2web.com/JMG/MGsell2.html

Look for the kikineyou vine packet. This is the variety SOH belongs too. It comes in many colors. The SOH just refers to a solid ruby red one of this variety. It is not rare or endangered but simply a vine that will need tended to in order to maintain the recessive characters of solid color and tube.

The code names are useful for researchers and breeders to keep up with their stock and to easily trace parentage or pedigrees. They are completely useless for marketing because people aren`t going to go to Wal Mart and buy QO456. They will think,"Huh?" and get the SOH and probably not care that it has white throats unless they have been reading the DG morning glory forum.

Topics on species of all morning glories as far as information about their species identities, growing habits and care are obviously good for DG. On the other hand, deciding what marketing names are the acceptable ones for everyone here especially with no morning glory society in existence is not a good idea. That is my opinion.

I think the confusion and general taking things wrong would subside if we kept the marketing out of the forums. Let`s keep it on the species and maybe lightly touch on names they are called for reference without judging which ones that are "real" and the ones everybody should be buying. This would help a lot. It only leads to people being prejudice as far as they have to agree on all the cultivar names in order to be on speaking terms.

Quote Ron: "When problems arise as to what is a 'ten-ten' and or what is not I will most definitely refer people to the persons on this thread who insist on using that misleading term and let those people who believe that they definitely know what a ten-ten is do all of the explaining and sorting out because I will not...

You insist on using a particular pet name then you untangle all the problems that result from it.." end of quote.

This sounds unfriendly and unpleasant so that strengthens my theory that the market needs to stay out of the forum. Ten Ten makes as much sense as Scarlett O`Hara. Ten-Ten literally means dot-dot in Japanese. The name translated kikyo dot dot doesn`t sound like it is meaning to fool or confuse anyone. The flower is speckled and resembles the Kyushu vine but it probably isn`t but just looks like it. I think it is wise to avoid using the Kyushu pictures to market or judge the identity or marketability of the plants. It isn`t intended for that. The Kyushu pictures are useful for personal reference of seeds that are from Kyushu and useful for research.

Also, we have no morning glory society so there is no authority on what should be called what. It is best to not judge and lets just enjoy the pictures.

Correction: It is spelled Kakineyou on the site. I wouldn`t know the really correct spelling since I`m not a Japanese language expert.

The Kyushu references to the patterns and gene lists are very helpful. The pictures of their plants are good for reference also but I don`t think intended for positively ID of outside plants as having that code number. It might be the same kind of plant and look similar yet not be that particular code. You might say it looks like QO ... if you aren`t sure what kind you have.

My 2 cents: within science, the first published name for a plant or animal is the name for the rest of the scientific community uses in subsequent references in publications or in discussions like we have in DG. I think the same goes for cultivars and the like...The Q system Kyushu University uses should be used by us in the USA. Q0751 or Q751 is the designator for the red speckled kikyo flower in question (go here to see http://mg.biology.kyushu-u.ac.jp/mg-files/strainlist-brandnew/06catalog-large/pages/0751-5242.html). It is a fact, and I believe we in USA need to use the Japanese reference system Kyushu University uses for nomenclature for these strains of JMGs/Asagao. It is as simple as that. How can we in the USA be credible with the Japanese in communications otherwise?

Joseph

I like the Q system. I have some plants I know came from Kyushu then naturally I refer to them as QO... and QO... because I know for sure that is where they came from. My ebay finds that resemble Kyushu vines are just that. I say this one looks like QO... simply because I don`t know for sure where it came from. That`s just me.

Well, I wasn't referring to just that particular strain. I am referring to any I. nil or I. purp or speices, not everyone is growing the Q system, and I don't think we need to follow this way of naming out crosses, it's just that simple to me. It is alright for Kyushu to call them and publish any way, shape or form for each of their systems. BUT, why do we have to follow that for our own I. nil crosses, etc. I don't see or understand that at all. I believe that is why the US is always behind everyone else in this. We try to follow instead of leading in some areas. What is the fear here? We should be able to register any name we have as long as we have followed the guidelines and make sure all the grow outs have been down to ensure that we do indeed have a true cultivar.

I don't have a problem with the Q or a number attached to anything... what is it that makes it legal for only a "university" to be able to do so? And why only Japan? What is wrong with our crosses? Nothing. Unless someone can answer questions to my arguments, if Ten Ten was added in Japan, and it means dots, what is wrong with us accepting that, when there are other names that are clearly made up here in the US that are selling like crazy on ebay?

I have to add one more thing here, I also really commend Onalee for keeping true to the seed packets.. It is amazing the variety she has and what she makes available to us. I should have mention that when Ron made the statement up above.

By the way, Hi Joseph, I forgot my manners..lol

I think the way a person keeps up with their own crosses is personal. We can adopt the Japanese way,we can make up our own methods or we can use a little of both and fit it with our desired hobby and our time limitations. Everyone doesn`t have time to write down every parent and document each plant with pictures each in its own folder. I do this but I`m not expecting others to be as meticulous as I am.

In fact, the way the Kyushu researchers photograph every cotyledon and record their development to adulthood is way beyond what I have time to do. I`m a homeschooler and I have a lot of other work to do besides the garden. I do well to get the batches of cotyledons photographed and then one of growing foliage and then flowers.

While I admire the Kyushu web site I wouldn`t be able to exactly replicate what they are doing. But I find their site to be a joy to read and a valuable source of information and advise.

Hi Joseph and Gourd, We are too brainy aren`t we? Ya`ll have a great day!