Propagation part V based on my own experience

sounds good to me. Ronna

Thank You

Hi gl123: you are on one of the right threads. I will post details later today to help unless someone has had better luck than I have with clematis. Basically semi-hardwood is the growth between the new green growth and the last years "hardwood". Are you dealing with a plant outside in dormancy (i think its what you have) or do you have new plants undercover with heat?? most of the followers will tell you we try to keep it simple not so scientific that your eyes roll back into your head. I feel basic is best as a few growers like to hear themselves talk and try to impress everone with the 25$ words. I am not one of those people.

Welcom to our little spot on the web
Dave

David!! You woke up! Are you ok? You must be keeping busy with your seeds. I still haven't cleaned the chafe out of the seeds we gathered last fall. Just can't seem to get with it. Think I will see what I can do.

Jeanette

Hi Jeanette: I have been busy with the honey do list and reaquiring the garage I will try to get back on it... I do mean it. of course we have another front moving in with 90% chance of sleet/freezing rain and ice... yuck... Did I say how much I hate the cold and yoyo weather? we wont get out from freezing untill thursaday and then its only going to be 35 degrees... oh boy a heat wave.... goddy goody... jumping up and down on the bed... LOL More to follow tomorrow.
Dave

Nice visual there, Dave!

Dave, ours isn't yoyo weather. It is just plain cold and doesn't get above freezing during the day even. 7 degrees when I got up this morning.

Jeanette

Ya'll almost make me feel guilty for whining because it was 39 this morning and I forgot to cover my bird of paradise!
Dave, i agree with pagancat on the visual of you jumping up and down on the bed..LOL
actually though i have a question. I was collecting some seeds this morning and I was checking my clematis. Some are evergreen, some are beginning to show growth buds and some are looking as though they gave up the ghost. Are the ones that look dead simply in a different group, or should I be worried that there are no growth buds on the stems?
Any ideas? , thanks, Linda

Yeah, I think some clematis are late starters; I wouldn't worry about them until June!

Buds already aren't they covered in snow??? You must've had your rose colored glasses on!

But Ronna, she's in South Carolina! It beez warmer down there....

Thanks Sheryl, I won't worry then.

Hi gardenlady, you wouldn't believe it, but I stepped on my rose colored glasses and crushed the lenses so I think I was seeing clearly. LOL We haven't had snow in 20 years unless you count last week when it snowed for a grand total of 4 minutes. We have a lot of yo-yo temperatures though and even though I cut a lot of plants back before the first frost, they had put out new growth and have since frozen in the last frost. I actually live about 1/4 mile from the ocean so it is usually a lot warmer here than it is in other parts of the county. The problem is the cold salty air makes it feel a lot colder than it is. It may be 30 degrees, but it feels brutal.

Today, I collected seeds from my autumn joy sedum, american beauty berry, and Hall's honeysuckle. ( Yeah, I know it is very invasive, but my parrots love it.)
I also noticed some seeds on my azaleas, that I will collect tomorrow.
4 of my camellias are blooming and my pansies are strutting their stuff in my deck boxes I also noticed a couple of open flowers on my pearl bush. Those smell so good........! If anyone wants any of these seeds, just let me know.
Linda

Lol: Linda I agree give them till june. we have a lot of clemayis cultivars that go dormant. It gets tricky wth clematis. there are 3 different types that sets the late winter pruning technique. I will have to brush up on the differnt methods. so I can explane the differences. Did your BOP's get hit hard or just afraid of what is beneath the green? I have seen them take some decent cold and survive.
it looks like we are on the line of rain turning to freezing rain and freezing rain. we bought a cool space heater. it runs on the little green bottles of propane and are safe inside the house with 5000 btu's.
BRB in a few
Dave

Linda i would like some of the seed but not the honey suckle. We have that stuff growing wild here on our property, just can't seem to get rid of it. I will send a SASE for the seed. Address Please, save me a step of hunting you down in the exchange

Thanks Dave, you just gave me a great idea. I will go to the clematis society and try to figure out which groups these are in. Thankfully, ( unlike my daylilies) these are some of the tags that didn't fade. LOL
That space heater sounds really neat. I could use something similar in DH's workshop.
My BOPs look like mush. I had them close to the house hidden under some shrubs and covered with plastic, but yesterday it was in the 50's and raining, so I thought I would uncover them and let them breathe a little........ I hope they will come back out. I have 2 larger plants in the aviary, but these I was planning to trade. ( or plant at Mom's) in the spring.

Heeeeees baaaaaaccck: LOL
Ok the following comes from

http://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/270/

Ok there are 3 types of clematis:
1: Early blooming: this type of climatis produce their flowers on last years stems(growth), typically july, august, september. This type should be pruned after flower production has slowed or shut down. these are the species Clematis alpina, C. macropetala, and C. montana. Tip pruning or end of the "limb" is recomended. Personally I would try to leave 3 or 4 growth buds to allow the stems to grow more and have a greater amount of flower buds for next years flowering.
When pruning you amy want to reduce the size of the plant right after the blooms have quit. Do Not cut out or down to the heavy wood (old growth). my opinion is to keep away from pruning anything bigger than your pinky. If you must prune bigger branches I would cut one this year and look at it next year to see where you are at. I realize we are all wanting to do the prunning we are all told to do this time of year. with clematis less is best.
2. Large flowerd cultivars (variety) of the C. florida. Link is to the DG species C. florida. the link will help you determine the exact kind of clematis you have.

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/adv_search.php?searcher%5Bcommon%5D=&searcher%5Bfamily%5D=&searcher%5Bgenus%5D=clematis&searcher%5Bspecies%5D=florida&searcher%5Bcultivar%5D=&searcher%5Bhybridizer%5D=&searcher%5Bgrex%5D=&search_prefs%5Bblank_cultivar%5D=&search_prefs%5Bsort_by%5D=rating&images_prefs=both&Search=Search

are best pruned now (usually late fall to early spring) while dormant. Basic pruning is called for on type 2. I would look at the structure or the vine and do slight thining inthe fall.

Type 3 bloom on new wood and should flower throughout the year. Type 3 should be cut back to about 2 or 3 feet and pruning should be preformed late winter on into early spring. so now would be a good time to look at the structure. type 3 are varieties of the C. viticella, and C. integrifolia species.

Pruning is a personal thing. there are really no totally wrong way, just some better than others and the aproach to pruning should be done as an aproach to what your goal is in the garden. Ladies tend to be more agressive in pruning once the fear of triming has been overcome. Clean your tools between cuttings.
Clematis they have a specific disease that will attack them. basically it apears as black stem and ends with the stem collapsing. prune below the discollered stem on green wood and dispose of the diseased wood (disinfect the tools after each cut is best).
Clematis is also subject to powdery mildew, which can be controlled with a good fungicide. Also good air cirrculation and avoiding splashing water from one plant to the other as much as possible.will help keep the powdery mildew at bay on all plants in the landscape.
The article I refered to is a great reference. I have tried to get the details as basic as possible for everyone to have a greater success with their plants.
" a smart person is not someone who knows everything. A smart person knows where to find the right answer" Benjamin Franklin.

I hope this helps on pruning.

Thanks Dave, i will put that info to good use. This was the first year I have grown clematis so I am a real newby with this plant. ( it seems much more temperamental than my other plants too.) I actually had 3 blooms last spring, then I became hopelessly obsessed and started collecting the other varieties, ( plants are like pokemon... you gotta get them all right).
Anyway, I am hoping for a nice show this spring and summer. I love it when things start coming back to life.
Btw, if I started some from seed, is there anything I should know besides they may not come true and chill them for 3 months?

Thanks a bunch, Linda

Linda:
I would go ahead and start the seeds and grow them up untill its safe to plant them outside, and let the new babies grow for the year, and let them go dormant. How fresh are the seeds? You might put the seeds in the veggie drawer for a month at least. I am not sure of the required cold on clematis.... hmmmm I will try to dig up the info if posible. Dave

Linda, I would love some of the Autumn Joy Sedum seeds if you have enough. Let me know and I will send a SASBE. Or would it be better for you just to send labels and stamps? Some people prefer that.

Thanks, Jeanette

I kinda dropped the ball a bit, still here and trying to catch up. had issues to deal with.
But wanted to show you my Helle babies. Planted on July 9th, and started sprouting on the 18th of Jan. I'm a new mom, so happy.

Tilly, did you forget to attach something? Wanted a look at those babies...
By the way, how do you manage the patience it takes to wait 6 months for germination? I don't think my faith is that strong! Did you plant them indoors or out?

Oh, Dave to asswer your question. It is a clematis outside dormant!!! Frozen right now. Ronna

avianut:
I have to put the long term seed flats under a bench... Kind of out of site out of mind. I kind of feel once I get them planted I can concentrate on other stuff. What all do you grow from seeds?
I will be away for a few days so please be patient. I have to deal with some personal issues.
Dave

Opps, yes I did. was so happy about them I forgot.
Sorry

I just pot them up, 5 seeds to a pot, mark them and forget them. the pots get watered along with the plants that are winting in the GH. I have 10 4" pots.

Here they are.

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Sorry Tilly, I'm with avianut. I wouldn't have the patience either. BTW, how is that greenhouse coming?

I saw it on ebay. I ordered and received one of the 4 tier and am really pleased with it. Especially the price. With shipping it was less than $30. But they are out of them. Too bad. I wanted to get another one.

The others on there are from someone else and more expensive.

Jeanette

But when they sprout, you feel like a proud mom. Its getting them be yearlings is the hard part.
Found more today.

Ummm... I missed something. What are helle babies?

Hey guys. I have missed ya'll last few days. Gotta catch up. Got myself busy and haven't been on much. Doing the newbie gthings and a couple swaps. As usual, I overload.
Gotta go catch up with what ya'll are up too. Afraid I "skipped to new" , but am off to read everything. Hows the fearless leader? Still fearless huh? lol

Sorry Pagancat, Hells are Helleborus, Lenten Rose. and seedlings are Hell babies. I'm on PNW. we love them.

That is beautiful Tilly. Mine are white and green. I do have one that is purple but not that vivid.

Jeanette

Mary, that is a very nice Hellebore. do you have any hell babies off of that one? hint hint, Jim

Hey, Jim no it didn't give me any last year, hope for this year.
I got the hint, will save you some.
That one is "Royal Heritage"

I would love to have my name on one Tilly. I'm a little more blatant than Jim. LOL I don't even pretend.

Pretty good getting pick of the litter in plants. Heard of it on pups.

Jeanette

I better make a list, LOL
I hope she gives me seeds this year, If not I have others that are in bloom now. as of now I have 5 differant colors.

This is Green Finch

That is a very pretty one too Tilly. I have one that looks like it but the plant growth looks different. The leaves look a lot alike, but mine is more upright. Hard to tell from a picture.

Jeanette

This is something I have been learning, as still new to them but just love them.
There are some that stay low to the ground, the leaves are thicker almost a rubbery feeling.

This is Snow Bunting, which is upright.
So much to learn.

Oh, so pretty! I got some seeds this winter and was told to "throw them out there" - guess it might have been a little too easy to do, eh? Ah well, there's always the next batch....

When did you throw them? or did you but them in the ground? It takes 265 days to germ. you may have them popping up next winter. if the birds don't eat them.
I planted my seeds on July 8th 2008, and they sprouted on Jan 15th. they have to go thru the season. Remember where you toss them and don't weed that area.
This is Kingston Cardinal, can't wait for it to open. did not bloom last year it was to young. Hoping to get seeds of it this year. Hells are one of the easiest plants to have, blooms in winter, give them a little Rose food and lime. no fuss no muss.

Dave Sorry I hijacked your tread, did not mean too.
How are you doing????

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tilly, do you grow these outside? Are they winter hardy for my area?

The one obove was under 2' of snow. They will they are good for zones 5a to 9.
Hope that helps, you wil love them. winter flowers.