Is this some sort of cross or is it a true cultivar? I need some sort of ID as it is mislabeled. (Karen - the seed came from you. Any ideas? It was marked "Akatsuki no Mai". Did you grow anything that looked like this bloom?) I had mistakenly ID'ed it as Dark Blue Mt. Fuji in the above posts. Is it?
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Here are 2 blooms today on Hanafubuki. I sure hope to get some seeds of this one!
Wow! Absolutely beautiful pics of morning glories! Nice to see so many variations! I've really enjoyed this thread. (and yes - I'm a lurker!) :)
Mike
This one looks like a volunteer from Kohkan, but I don't see any variegation on the leaves, so not sure what it is. I had planted a LYK seed in this spot. Maybe it is LYK x Kohkan? The leaves do look like LYK, but the bloom is a little bit larger and looks a lot like Kohkan. I had to cross pollinate LYK with pollen from other blooms because of it's low pollen production. So ...
Mike - Beautiful bloom! Now YOURS looks like Blue tie-dye! :-) So mine above must be something else ... perhaps it is Keiryu! (Fingers crossed!) Future blooms may reveal it's ID... I hope!
I know y'all may be tired of seeing my Fujishibori blooms, but I absolutely adore this vine! And it has been putting on a show of blooms for me every day since the first bloom. I looked closely and don't see any seed pods yet. Most turned yellow, then brown, and dried up. But I started hand pollinating it recently and will be watching closely to see if that is assisting in fertilization of this amazing vine! I sure hope so ...
Becky
I have no idea! lol! It was from some of the seeds one of you sent me last year. May have been you! :) I hated to leave it at the old place - as it had such a pretty color! Maybe next year will be better! :)
Mike
ps: just replied to your email! :)
Another pic of one of the morning glories from one of you guys!
Mike - That bloom/vine looks like Fuji no Beni. You very well may have gotten the seeds from me, but the blue tie-dye above do not look my blue tie-dye. You must've gotten that one from another generous person here. Your blooms looks more like a true blue tie-dye than the one I grew.
http://davesgarden.com/community/blogs/t/beckygardener/7542/
I think the seeds I grew of my tie-dye vine was a cross and not a true blue tie-dye.
I love getting seeds from everyone and I don't care if the seeds are true or not. I happen to love crosses. When I ask about an ID on a particular vine/bloom ... it is because I need to somehow label it for seed trades. I hope I am not making anyone feel like I am putting them on the spot when I ask about a seed that I grew out that came from you. I love every single vine I have grown over the past year and a half, whether they be true or something completely different! When I ask someone about what they sent me it's really just because I am trying to somehow give the vine a label/name for bagging seeds for future trades with others. So forgive me if I have made anyone uncomfortable ... it was definitely NOT intended. :-)
Here is today's bloom from Ipomoea hederacea. I am watching this one and the other one like a hawk. I can see where these 2 vines could become very invasive because every single bloom is producing seed pods! I wish my other vines were as prolific! LOL!
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Becky, More lovely blooms. I thought no Mai was a pinkish bloom.
It looks a lot like my dark blue
Mt Fuji Not. Ron id'd mine as a youjiro (the one on my fence)
Jackie - "Akatsuki no Mai" IS a pink bloom and looks nothing like my photo. You are probably correct that mine is a dark blue Youjiro. It does look like that cultivar! Thank you! :-) I know Karen told me she was going to send me seeds for Blue Youjiro. Perhaps she marked it accidently with the wrong label. It happens! I've done that myself when I am tired and am rushing. Or maybe I did DO that with this one! LOL! No telling how the mix-up happened... probably my error!
Maybe Ron will comment on this bloom as well...
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Becky this one http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5635900 I think is my favorite out of all the ones you posted so far!! LOL I ♥ it!!
Congrats on your Dai too. I think I may grow that one for the winter if I can keep the white fly at bay this year~
Mike love your tye dye too!!
Joseph yours are lovely as always but I truly like the Ipomoea parasitica!!
Ronnie - I have to agree with you ... the minute I saw that Blue Blizzard bloom this morning ... my eyes zeroed right in on it! I think the lighter green leaves and those blue & white blizzard colors really command your attention! I love it, too! :-) If I get seeds from this vine, I'll share some with you. :-)
Becky, the seeds I sent you were open pollinated, and the name on the labels reflected the pod parent. (I tried to remember to write OP on appropriate labels where this was the case) This is why I was hoping as many folks as possible to whom I sent seeds would post pics with the names that came with them on their labels - to see which types might predominate in the next generation in cases where offspring did not turn out to be true to the pod parent. I was wondering if there might be a predominance of certain colors and patterns, and if so, which ones and what that might tell us about MG genetics.
Yes, further up the hill, I did grow a dark purple I. youjiro seedling with the white picotee and rays, and I think it's appearance in an offspring of Akatsuki no mai is due to the bees. It is not a mislabeling.
Karen - I don't know. I just don't see any resemblance to Akatsuki no Mai in what looks like a Purple/Blue Youjiro bloom. I am wondering if your label was wrong or I mixed them up when I planted them. (Of which that is entirely possible since I planted the seeds after dark. LOL!) I bet it is my error because I specifically saw that you had sent me seeds for Youjiro to use as a cross for some of my I. nils. Remember us talking about crossing Youjiro with I. purpurea and other I. nils to see if we could get some I. purpurea traits since that species is resistent to rust? Whatever it is ... it's a very attractive flower! :-)
Hi Becky, I just deleted what I wrote here earlier this morning in the hopes that this rewrite will clear up the confusion better -
Do you still have the labels I sent with my seeds?
In this post - http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=5635929 - you asked, "Is this some sort of cross or is it a true cultivar? I need some sort of ID as it is mislabeled. (Karen - the seed came from you. Any ideas? It was marked "Akatsuki no Mai". Did you grow anything that looked like this bloom?) I had mistakenly ID'ed it as Dark Blue Mt. Fuji in the above posts. Is it?"
The information you're asking for was on the label that came with this seed. It would have said the following: I. youjiro "Baby Blu N Pin" EG05 (originator's name of the seed from which seed in packet is descended); description of parent of seed contained in packet you received; then a code to tell me which vine of the growout it came from; whether it was OP (open pollinated) or bagged; my DG moniker; year of harvest; and 2nd year (means second year of growing out Emma's I. youjiro "Baby Blue and Pink".
This one - http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=5626549 - is another flower type that appears from Emma's "Baby Blue and Pink" seeds.
The variety of what comes from Emma's seeds has fascinated me, as here - http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=5623823
I'm learning along with everyone else. Hopefully we'll reach a consensus about a standard of naming our MGs. The standard I've used here indicates whether a flower is a cultivar that has been stabilized (over perhaps 7 years) by the use of single quotes. Use of the double quotes allows for a description while at the same time differentiating the flower from a true cultivar.
I thought Ron made a valuable suggestion that we refer to Dr. Yoneda's patterns as part of the way we named MGs on this forum here - http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=4677568 . Given all the variations we're coming up with, we'd still need to use more descriptive language in some cases when describing our MGs, but I think referring to his patterns would still alleviate some confusion.
If you have the label, I can tell you more about the ancestry of these seeds from the code assigned to the parent vine.
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And, then, I sent you I. nil 'Akatsuki no Mai', marked OP among other information.
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Hope this helps.
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Becky, I just rewrote this post - http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=5638284 - hope it helps
I've gotten myself into a project due sooner than I may have time for, so might continue to be a little scarce for a while - am looking forward to having more time to spend here once I get past it.
I guess some of us get involved in understanding mysteries of MGs, so in that case, using names of MGs becomes useful. But! Since *useful* is not necessarily the same thing as *fun* - hope y'all will keep posting those gorgeous pics with or without names
I have another growing in a pot in the shade. I gave up on them blooming. But this morning, look what I found. I was too sleepy to get another, clearer pic. I don't know it's name.
Kwanjin, your hand looks like it's holding a bowl of light - beautiful
I have to get back to some other things, but I know everyone's pics will be most appreciated
It does glow. I noticed more blooms on it, too.
Very pretty Kwanjin. Love the dark colors
I'll see if I can get better pics tomorrow. I must work now.
okay Y'all I am so confused.. the big light blue MG i posted is like five inches big in bloom, the other three blue ones I have are about two inches round, and two of those are deep deep blue, and the third once is light blue and about an inch in diameter, and the Pink one is the same size as the deep blue one, but the dark red one was almost 4 inches across.
The ID on the package of the Big Light Blue one was Flying saucers, and on the deep red one was Scarlett o'hara. Have I been mislead? Leaves are different on two of them from the rest and seed pods are huge.
joeswife - The larger ones are likely to be Ipomoea tricolor and Ipomoea nil...the smaller ones are likely to be Ipomoea purpurea or Ipomoea hederacea...
Linking to the exact blooms that you are referring to is often quite helpful to the readers so that they don't have to try and guess which exact flowers that you are referring to...
If you want to post photos of whatever flowers that you have lingering questions about in a series one after the other ...that would make it much easier to provide accurate ID's for your plants...Thanks (!)
Generally,from looking at your most recent photos...here is what I see
Ipomoea tricolor "Heavenly Blue"
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/joeswife_1222916675_3.jpg
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5627248
Ipomoea tricolor bloom growing intertwined with Ipomoea purpurea as the bloom is surrounded by developing I.purpurea seedpods
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5627222
Ipomoea purpurea and Ipomoea quamoclit
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5623778
Ipomoea purpurea
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5623784
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5627229
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5627234
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5627240
Becky - Regarding this blue blizzard here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5635900
The flower looks closer to the "Hama Ginga",although the lighter leaf color looks closer to the Keiryu...
Ukigumo is also to be considered,although your bloom seems a bit dark for the Ukigumo which is usually a lighter color,but also has the lighter leaves...
"Akatsuki no Mai"
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/80724/
"Miko no Mai" is a blizzard...
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/133776/
no photos yet
Regarding the Blue Youjiro that you posted here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5635929
"Maisugata" is a blue (usually dark blue) youjiro
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/84350/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/89520/
and looks like the blue youjiro that you have posted
Fuji no Murasaki
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/171364/
Karen_Blu - I've been tending to use quotations marks as per tradition English grammatical usage and that is double quotation marks for something spoken or more decided...and single quotation marks if something is 'questionable'...
I know the PlantFiles uses the quotation marks differently,although I've been using the quotation marks as stated above for usage in the forum general conversations...
Joseph - Nice white rays extending outward from the throat
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5633542
Excellent color
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5633550
Nice pink-lavender
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5633552
TTY,...
Ron
Thanks Ron!
I am thinking I got more volunteers that I was expecting. The Dark Blue Youjiro is probably "Maisugata" because I grew that one in April and it looks very similar: http://davesgarden.com/community/blogs/i/51947/ to the one I posted above. But Karen had also sent me some blue Youjiro seeds, so I thought maybe this vine was from her and I just mislabeled it. But now I am sure it is a volunteer!
The Blue Blizzard looks a little like the Blue Blizzard that I grew in April, but the bloom color is different (darker) and I think the leaves are lighter. Does Hama Ginga, Ukigumo, or Keiryu have varigated leaves like my current vine?
Karen - Thanks for trying to help me sort through these blooms and IDs. I think some were volunteers from my April grow-out. I have had seeds germinate months later, so I am thinking I might still get some of your seeds to sprout. (Hopefully before the weather turns cooler.) I guess I need to start germinating them in a wet paper towel so I know for sure what I've got growing. In all honesty, there isn't much for these plants to germinate in unless they hit the small area of dirt inside the concert donut. I have the weed screen down and pine mulch on top of these beds along the picket fence. I don't know what these plants are germinating in ... there is no soil for their roots ...
Kawjin - Pretty bloom! Looks like Granpa Ott's or Star of Yelta Ipomoea purpurea. :-)
Time for a new thread
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/910541
