basic how to on propagation based on my experience

Right - and that is the basic way I start a lot of my flowers, only woody stems do I treat diffrent.

Ok Dave, or anyone, what is the difference between annuals, which as I understand them are hybridized to give a 3 or 4 month burst to grow, bloom, and die, in the meantime producing seeds from the blooms, and plants that would be annuals to northern climates but what I think, probably bloom year around in southern climates if given nutrients and light?

Or, do I have an illusion of what southern growing is all about?

Also Mitch, tell us about how you root woody cuttings.

Jeanette

There are many tender perennials that are treated as annuals. You can bring these indoors if you have the right conditions (light, humidity, room) to get them through winter but most times it is best to toss them and start again the next year unless they are rare and cost more than the typical bedding plant. Coleus and impatiens (this includes New Guinea impatiens) are good examples. Most houseplants are tender perennials - they would be annuals if left outdoors in cold winter areas but may be considered weeds in the tropics.

Winter Method -

Pencil sized cuttings in early fall, Tie them into bundles and plant the whole bundle in a moist sand tray outdoors. They need to be fully coveredwith sand and then mulched in for winter. In spring once you see green on the trees dig up your bundle and there will be roots, Set out in trays for one year and most will root with no issue if they have roots. This is the way I do grapes, most buches, crepe myrtles, some trees, etc. I get some going to sell locally.

Early summer Method -

Cut soft but firming stems of the woody material and pinch out the new leaf growth leaving some leaves at the top of the cutting. Place in moist sand or soiless mix under a misting system or in a covered high humidity system (Like a 2 liter cut in half and the halves taped back together once the sand and cuttings are inside - make sure the cuttings do not touch the sides or this will not work right. ) Leave in pot but bumping up and they will grow for a year or two in pots before bring sold or set out.

Mulberries, Forsythia, some roses, rose of sharron, and mugwort

Take foot long pencil sized cuttings of plant in the early spring whne the buds are starting to appear. Place in the garden in the spot you want the plant, burry all but the top 3 inches of the material. Mulch well and keep watered - they will root and grow right there in the spot. Only change is for the roses I add a glass bottle on the top of the cutting and this keeps high humidity witht he rosr cutting until the cuttings have two sets of leaves, slowly take off and there you go - rooted and in place.

The true deffinition of an annual is a plant that grows sets seed and dies some times it doen't set seed. In the south a lot of annuals fall into the half hardy annual where they reseed themselves. I had impatients that would get ratty looking so I would wack them back to get a betterlooking plant and the new seedlings would fill in. Impatients were fun seed pods, when they are ripe they will explode if even slightly touched and go everywhere.
hcmcdole is right about the tropical house plants our common pothos , wandering jew and heart leaf philodendron are all ground covers in the tropics that will choke out a lot of plants if allowed to do so. They are commonly used in south florida on golf courses for interest in under the live oaks, It make a park like setting with little care.
Mitch thank you for your input. Your method is one I have seen done but have little practicle working knowledge of. I think its good to explore the other areas that I am unable to cover. I think we DGers as a group have a great vast knowledge base. we run into issues when egos get in the way. Just my humble opinion
Dave

Dave - You are right, everything I have learned about doing that I have learned off Daves from one teacher or another. Have you meet Frostweed on Daves? She (Josephine) took me under her wings into rooting so many things in the last few years.. It has been a fun ride and I have enjoyed standing on this side of things and being able to help others now with the same results.

You guys are great. I don't even feel bad about asking my dummie questions, and I do some places.!!! lol

You know, David, after I sent that post, I remembered that's what you posted. So, back I go. Maybe it's too late to do rootings?

Could I just put the rooting hormone on, (dip and grow), put them next to the mother plant outside?

If omeone missed Daves inst. on the lantana, you should go see the pictures!!! REally lays it out well.

Lorraine: I don't think it would be a bad idea on the hormone next to the mother plant. I am even thinking of doing some "stick"propagation. I have a few toughies here I want to try. A red leafed norway maple, a grn leafed Norway maple and some others. I would be so stoked dude if I could get them to root. like radical dude totally....LOL
Mitch: I have enjoyed sharing everything I have learned along the way with my new friends on DG. Its been so fun to hear the excitement in the posts. Its made me look some stuff up again and rethink my stance on a few things I thought so strongly about. its been kind of an adventure.
Dave

The adventures along the way are the real pleasures of life.

Dave - have you ever rooted with tissue culture in bags? I have a thread on here asking about it and it just crossed my mind you may have already done it. TC is my next area to go into and try to learn the ins and outs.

Lorraine, Dave, where is the post on the lantana? Wonder how I missed it.

Who is Frostweed Mitch? What forum was she on?

Jeanette

Texas and Native - she is a great cutting guru - really I think she can about grow anything from cuttings.

I'll have to see if I can find her posts. Thanks Mitch.

Jeanette

Mitch:
I have looked at tissue culture quite deeply and have a few books on the subject. I found a great web site kitchen culture. they sell a kit for home tissue culture and it looks to be fairly straight forward with about a $200.00 cost to get started. I am hopeful that in the next few years I can give it a whirl. I need to get settled into our new house and concentrait on the landscape for a while before I try a new area. My wife would go bonkers if I started something new right now. I truely believe it would be the ole padded room for her or a pine box for me.

here is a link

http://www.kitchenculturekit.com/index.htm

Please keep us posted if you do this or if you feel like waiting a year possibly a joint thread on the experience of doing the kit? I really think its preaty easy once you have the tools and cookbook.
Dave

Dave - It wopuld be Spring here anyway, so waiting a year no problem!

I have dreams of selling plants oneday - at least that is what I tell myself.

So what the tissue culture does for you is give you quantity to sell. Is that the only advantage of it?

In other words, what makes you want to do this other than that?

Jeanette

Personally I think the taking a small part of a plant and growing plants from the cells that grow and divide. to me its the satifaction of making something out of very little. Its not a money thing for me either it more a love of plants. You can grow hundreds if not thousands of plants off one culture. it takes space time and energy, plus some love of plants and science.
I have been starting seeds of daylilies with some success. I realize it may take 3 years for a good bloom but I am hopeful that I will get some nice new daylilies that I may want to clone for either sales or sharing with all my friends. I luckily over bought last year as my seed budget this fall is nonexsistant except for the occasional item I might pick up. I have atleast 20 different cossed daylilies I just cant wait to see the flower on them.
So what are you wanting to tissue culture? Mitch you know we all think that. it takes a lot of time, energy, hard work, and growing space. I think if it can be reduced down to a more affordable price the public will get on board and buy them. Its just finding the right outlet. ebay is one that has worked for a lot of folks. I have done some ebay but it seems hit and miss. oh well I just be a po boy workin in da dirt. LOL
Dave

Dave, Mitch, I now absolutely nothing about TC. Got a few questions about it.

1. How does it work?

2. What I think it is: Copying one certain plant. (like cuttings) But no cuttings or seeds involved. So???? how?????

3. No hybridizing involved.

4. But I don't know how it is done.

Many years ago my mother bought TC roses. A couple. She was so excited by them but I guess at the time I just wasn't interested enough to ask her what they were.

She passed away 11 years go at the age 86. So, I know TC has been around for quite a while.

So then my next question is:

Do you want to do it out of curiosity? To sell? And, as you say, do you want to sell small like ebay or go big?

I ask these questions out of curiosity. lol

Jeanette

Jnette
I just curious mostly. I don't think I could do big as I have too many limitataions. I don't really know where it would leed. but thats what life is an adventure try something if it works where does it go???
Tissue culture is an exact "clone" of a parent plant that is done at a cellular level. its basic chemistry with a mix of horticulture added. I just want to see if I can make it work and what I can do with it. beyond that its just play time. I can't speak for what mitch wants to do. I am wanting just to cover costs and what ever else is a bonus. of course if it grew into a multi million dollar thing hey who am I to complain... yea right... a snow balls chance in ..... oh to dream ....tap atp atp...dave wake up...lol

it sounds fascinating, but I have a hard time keeping up with all the new methods I want to try. I tend to go out and get the stuff for all the new methods and then never get them started. If however you do the TC and it works, please let me know how you did it.

Ibartoo you sound like me. I buy everything that comes down the Pike. However, they truly don't work when they are left in the bottle on the shelf.

Jeanette

I used to be that way. we adopted the "WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH IT?" "where are you going to put it ? and when are you going to use it? if any answer is too far out or a not sure then no we don't get it. I have like 6 different hobbies and any one can take hundreds of dollars real quickly, as most hobbies do.
I am hopeing to get a small group together for next fall to do a co-op on tissue culture and do a group thing. I just have to get some things settled with my health. I know you can do just about any plant you would like to clone. So lets here it what do you think you might like to clone?
I know with Lorraine it would be coleus but they root like weeds so why bother. I was torn between hostas and daylilies but I seem to be having better luck with the daylilies so I am going that route. Plus I have set aside 2 beds for daylilies on the north and south side of the house. they both get full sun most of the day. I will see how it does on the north side this winter as the sun sinks to the south.

Dave, you disappointed me right there. That's not fair. If Lorraine wanted to do coleuses that is her hobby. The whole thing was to try the tissue culture. Just like she wanted to try the bubbler. No matter what it is, if she wanted to get in on the co-op she should be able to.

Ok, off my soapbox. Sorry, Jeanette

For me it would be to get into small sale in time - it would maybe pay for itself in time. The thought of getting to spread good plants that I love to more people is the biggest reason that i would love to TC, and the fact that I have rather bad luck with some seeds and would like to TC them for my own collections instead.

Jeanette:
You are correct and I did not mean it the way it sounds. I don't want anyone to try something just because it seems what ever to someone else. I know its going to cost $200.00 to buy the kit, dvd & cd stuff plus what ever it costs for the rest of the stuff to get started. Lorraine may be able to manipulate the cells and make a new color of leaves. Who knows what anyone of us can do when we relly put our minds to it. Nothing to be sorry about. it just pointed out my ignorance.
I think if we get enough people together maybe we can do a short course on line together. just a thought, might even get a discount on x number of kits. It would be nice to get everyone together and doing it live but I don't think we can all meet in one spot. I know mitch is as central as can be, we have a few texans, and others from the surrounding states of oklahoma. I don't know just rolling it arround for disscussion. Anyone interested please let us know so I can start putting it together.
So jeanette what would you clone?

mitch I kind of want to stay the same with my stuff. small and enough to pay for itself instead of out bound cash and not much coming in. I managed to sell a few seedlings this year but it was more just a start. I learned a lot this 1st year. mostly shipping but it was fun. I am hopeful to be able to get a bit more going next year. i would like to try some other stuff not listed on their site.
Dave

Nothing really Dave. I like such a variety of things that I don't collect any one thing. I don't have room. I suppose I would certainly join in and have fun with you all tho if it didn't cost too much and we all shared in the expense some way. Can you figure that one out?

I would definitely try it. I am still working on the aeroponics thingy though.. I found several patterns online, I just haven't built them. I need to get everything caught up so I can work on just that. ( ok, that may be a pipedream but I need to at least get somethings done.. ).

I think we have the starts of a great group ^_^

I would be more interested in the aeroponics than the TC, but would not turn down the chance to learn about the tc too. LOL, like I am going to have so much time to do all of this.

And, I am trying to get my cuttings all taken today 'cause it is suppose to be in the 20s tonight.

Jeanette

ouch thats chilly

ok here we go. here is the link to the new thread. everyone is welcome to either lurk or join in on the disscussion. I don't feel anyone person knows everything about a specific subject. some are more knowledgable than others and we welcome the added input as I know I need the help.
Dave

Where's the link Dave? Jeanette

ooops ... lol

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/905796/

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