You don't list your zone or where you live in your user info, which has an impact on when the best time to undertake radical work on indoor trees would be, but generally it's in the month before they would exhibit the most robust period of growth in their growth cycle./ For most, that would be early Jun to late Jul - maybe a week or two into Aug if you're far enough south, (or north, if you're south of the equator). ;o)
Schefflera tolerates heaps of indignity the size of mountains, but poor timing can leave the tree weakened for extended periods, which makes it more vulnerable to insects & disease, so if the roots are really tight, I would pot up again until you can do a full repot next year.
Here is what a (full) repot of a scheff looks like. There will be several pictures and some text to accompany them, so I'll note when the last pic is posted.
There's a story that goes with these pictures.
Once upon a time, a guy from church gave me a plant that he didn't know what to do with. It wasn't too healthy, and had grown way out of reasonable bounds. My intent was to rehab the plant & give it to someone else at church. It looked like this when I got it:
How do you prune a schefflera (umbrella plant)?
Somewhere, I have a pic of the plant as it was starting to back-bud, but I can't find it. What happened was pretty cool, though. I had been helping people with their trees on another site, and a guy that had been looking for help contacted me by email. He said that his fiance had entrusted him with her scheff while she was out of the country, and he had killed it. What he was actually hoping is that I could somehow help him resurrect it, but that wouldn't fly. What I suggested was that he check with her to see if the one I had would be an appropriate replacement, and if it was, I'd send it to him. After all, the pictures had been published on the other forum and the tree had some degree of notoriety. ;o)
Well anyway, I ended up shipping it off to New York or Boston, some place in the EAST, and a few weeks later I got a picture back of the plant just getting settled in its new home.
Here it is. Try to focus on the plant, guys.
Al
Thank you! That really helps.
I'm in the UK, heading into cold weather.
I just dragged the plant into my office today.
So i'm a bit horrified to spot very small, thin, black/grey creatures crawling round on the surface of the soil.
Any thoughts what these might be, and am I going to go into find a swarm of insects crawling around the office?
Thanks.
Ally
Not enough info to identify the insects, but in many cases being careful to water only as needed is very helpful. Scheffs tolerate extremely dry soils very well, so wait until a chopstick or wood dowel inserted deep into the soil comes out completely dry before watering. If you do, I bet the pests vanish.
Al
hi Al,
I noticed that even after 2 or 3 days, my Schefflera in the gritty mix still feels a bit damp an inch below the soil. I thought the Gritty Mix may need daily or every other day watering, but is it normal for a plant like a Schefflera to only need a watering every 3-4 days or so even in a soil like the Gritty Mix?
It sort of depends on how vigorously the plant is growing, the size of the plant in relation to soil volume, and weather. People often feel though, that because water flows through the gritty mix almost as fast as you can pour it, it holds little water, but both the bark AND the Turface hold water internally. The result is good water retention w/o the soggy layer of soil at the bottom of the container that kills roots. Even my bonsai scheffs that have tiny volumes of soil compared to what you're growing in, get watered only every 3-5 days, except in mid summer when they are growing/transpiring like crazzy; then they get watered as needed.
If you can feel/detect moisture in the soil, the plant doesn't need water. The only exception I can think of to that guideline is a freshly repotted plant that has had a hard root pruning and was potted into a deep container. You have to water enough initially to be sure the soil roots are occupying is moist. If you have a shallow root system, occupying the top 1/3 of the soil, you should test for moisture there - not at the pot bottom; though in most cases there would be enough diffusion of moisture via vapor to supply the plant. Still, there is no sense in taking chances.
BTW - when a soil first feels dry to your touch, soil particles will still be at about 40-45% water retention. Most plants can still access water down to 30% water retention or less, so you have about a 10-15% cush, during which the plant can still extract moisture, even after the soil feels dry to you.
Al
Al,
that is wonderful information and glad to know my watering frequency does not seem abnormal. It is growing slowly (there IS new growth since the repot! Just starting now.)
The Neem Oil has given the leaves a beautiful shine and kept the mealies at bay. I still saw a mealy the other day but I am giving the Neem a chance to do its thing which I understand can take some time.
I do test the top portion of the soil since the roots are newly pruned and only occupy 1/3 of the pot. I will wait until it feels dry before I water. Thanks again for the advice!
Glad you found it helpful. Take good care ...
Al
My schefflera is going gangbusters now. :)
Everyday the new shoots get bigger. Even with the reduced sunshine, it is going nuts just as it did back in July. I think it likes the gritty mix and the dyna-gro FP regimen!
I am doing 1/4 tsp per gallon of FP every week. Is this a good regimen throughout the year or should I be adjusting more or less depending on season?
Al,
I was surprised to read this from your post earlier in the thread:
"After 10 days (you'll probably need to water a couple of times during that period), use the fertilizer I sent (Foliage-Pro 9-3-6) to make a solution consisting of 1 tbsp of the fertilizer + 1/4 tsp Epsom salts in a gallon of water, and fertigate (water,
aka irrigate + fertilize = fertigate) with that solution & move the plant to a sunny window. "
Is that 1 TABLEspoon of the fertizer per gallon? The Dyna Gro bottle suggests 1 TEAspoons during growing season and 1/4 tsp maintenance.
Just curious if it is teaspoon or tablespoon.
So far, I am doing about 1/4 TEAspoons once a week for my Mass Cane, Fiddeleaf Fig, Hoyas, and Schefflera. Am I underfeeding?
Thanks again!
So sorry - should have been tsp instead of tbsp. It probably wouldn't have hurt anything, though, with a fast soil. I use a 2-1/2 gallon mixing can to make my fertilizer solution. When plants are going well, I hold a tbsp over the can, fill it and overflow it by about a teaspoon and fertilize weekly. If your plants are in low light or are in a part of the growth cycle where they're pretty lethargic, using less is better. Good catch - thanks. ;o)
Al
Hi Al
Any idea on what the brownish color is on my Schefflera's newer shoots? It is on the underside of the leaves but due to the transparent nature of new shoots, it is visible from the top. The plant seems very healthy and continues to grow shoots. I am still fighting mealies but doing the Neem treatment every week.
Thanks for taking a look!
I have a plant I rescued from work. I live in Wyoming, MI so any info you can give me would be right in your neighborhood. The plant resembles the photo from Septmeber 14. I would like to make this plant a tree as opposed to a bush. I have cats and would like the plant to be fuller on top. Is this possible and where do I start. Do I have a chance if I start now (October) or will it be better to wait til spring?
Oneleaf - It doesn't look fungal or insect-related. My guess, especially because it's so common in scheffs, is oedema, which is caused by a physiological upset in the water balance in a plant. It occurs most often when the soil is wet/warm and the air cool/moist. You'll see these conditions most often during extended periods of cool, cloudy weather in fall and early spring. Falling air temperatures after a series of warm, muggy days provides ideal conditions for the problem. What happens is, the plant takes up water faster than it is lost through the leaves (transpiration). Water pressure literally builds up in foliage cells. At first, they swell and protrude from the leaf surface, eventually bursting. These swellings later turn tannish/brown and get sort of corky. If it affects enough of the leaf surface, so the leaf is actually using more energy than it can produce, the leaves will turn yellow and eventually abscise (be shed).
Remedial: A lighter hand on the watering can. Scheffs tolerate dry soil conditions very well, so wait until the soil feels completely dry before a thorough waterings. It won/t fix the currently blemished leaves, but should serve to keep it from continuing/happening again.
Waldo - do you have/can you post a picture?
Al
tapla,
your assessment seems to match exactly the conditions. was warm and muggy for an extended period of time and then the temperature dropped considerably.
these blemished leaves did still grow and in fact, after some growth, the leaves don't look nearly as bad (since the leaves are larger relative to the brown spots).
I did notice with the falling temp that i am watering less but perhaps i can do it even less. The DE from Napa Auto seems to hold water for a long time. It seems i can get away with 1 watering per week with this Scheff.
Thanks so much!
Glad to be of help. Best luck - good growing.
Al
Hi can you help, i got this umbrella plant from my nana's house after she died, She used to fix plants and she really liked these, I'd like to sort the main plant out and also take some cuttings if possible (more chances of something growing) can you help me by telling me what to do and how. (failing is not an option)
If you can put yourself on tree time & be patient, we can develop a long-term plan that will get your plant healthy again, AND allow you to make some new starts. How about showing me a picture of the pot so I can get an idea of its size, and a close-up of the soil surface?
Do you have access to fine pine bark there (dust to 10mm), or fine pumice/calcined DE/calcined clay that's around 3-4mm? I'm trying to see what sort of larger particulates you have that you can use to make a soil that is well-aerated & drains freely, which will make your efforts MUCH more productive.
Al
Another of my scheffs:
Hi tapla I've just replied to your other thread that you replied to me, please answer the other thread thanks again FAF Chris
Al you are like the Shefflera Santa here! :)
I'm new. I've had success with plants in the past but typically not by any great knowledge of plants, just luck I think.
I'm attaching a photo and probably a second in the next post so you can see the plant.
I just picked up this plant from a craigslist listing with about 11 others.
This was apparently cut back but (in my opinion) poorly and I need to figure out how to make this fill out. I think from what I've read on this thread (awesome thread I might add) I should just cut the whole thing done and cut the roots...kind of like what you did in your multi photo example.
I have a couple of questions though:
How do I handle the portion of the plant that has rooted itself into the soil? (You can see it on the left hand side of the photos)You have a soil mix detailed above but I don't think it's the "gritty" mix. What is the gritty mix?
You state several times that there is an appropriate time for pruning but I'm not sure where to find the time periods for this. What is the best time for cutting back this plant in Maine (indoor plant)?
Can I propagate this plant? It looks like you just got rid of your cuttings? If propagation is an option, how?
Assuming that you can provide the gritty mix, how would this work with other plant types? What wouldn't it work for?
I really believe that most of these plants need repotting but they are all different types; spider, wandering jew, draecena, cactus, rubber tree (needing a lot of help), etc.
And I'm not sure how to find the best overall advice. Should I just replant them all in the mix and then work them one by one on this forum to figure out if I've done the right thing?
I was reading this thread when I decided to register and post my question. Al, if you could read my post and send a reply, I would greatly appreciate it! You seem to know what your talking about!! Thanks so much!
I got my umbrella plant three years ago. I know almost nothing about them, but I just water it and keep it in the sunlight. One of the trunks died off, but the other one is fine. I would like to know now to make the plant more full. The trunk is getting heavy and leaning a lot.----------------------
Maggie - If you're still around .......
Your plant looks like it does because it was grown for a LONG time under extremely low light conditions, producing stems that were too weak to support their own weight. The stems collapsed and the higher humidity near the soil stimulated the adventitious roots (aerial roots) you see that have rooted in the soil. If you want to, you can leave the aerial roots in the soil & sever the stem just above the first major bend. Stick the severed end into the soil and you'll have a second plant. You can then prune the other stems/branches to correct the weak stems/branches if you like, or simply prune the main stem about 4" above the soil line & be done with it.
You can probably propagate this plant easily by taking 2-3" cuttings of the parts you remove. They don't need leaves on them. Just lay the stem 'chunks flat on top of moist soil and press them into the soil just so they are half covered (like a log half submerged in water). You can make a pretty foolproof propagation chamber from a plastic milk jug. Let me know if you need more help here.
The key to returning your plant to good vitality lies in your ability to provide very bright light and a suitable soil/nutritional program. July is the best month for any serious work, like major top reductions and/or root pruning/repotting.
The 'gritty mix' is a soil I developed that is 2/3 inorganic. It drains very fast & doesn't hold perched water when made correctly. This is a huge benefit to the grower, making it much easier to grow healthy plants with unspoiled foliage, and providing the grower with a much wider margin for error.
The best o/a advice is often hard to find. It doesn't come from most books on 'how to grow houseplants', or someone who read a book on houseplants, or someone who's been growing for a long time & is still doing things the same way he/she did 20 years ago. It will come from someone who understands plant physiology as well as the sciences associated with plant husbandry, and also those who can think on their feet - by that, I mean not necessarily repeating bits & pieces of plant 'lore' gleaned from various sources that may or may not be reliable. In my experience, when we take plant knowledge as a whole - I'm guessing that 90% of it applies to virtually all plants, and 10% of it is species specific. This means (to me) that someone who is truly expert at growing one particular type of plant will understand how all plants work, and probably has 90% of the knowledge needed to help you over the rough spots.
Al
Hello all! I'm desperately seeking advice for my 15 year old schefflera...it's like a member of the family. I returned from a short vacation to find about 25 leaves with white patches, and brown/black spots. No leaves have dropped yet, and the spots are not mealies or powdery mildew. There were yellow mushrooms in the pot for about a month that I simply plucked out of the pot. Could this fungus have gone systemic? How do I cure the plant?
Thanks for any and all advice!
If it was my plant: I would move it outdoors and spray all leaf & stem surfaces with Bayer 3-in-1 Insect/Disease/Mite Control. After the spray dries, you can move it back inside & retreat again in 2 weeks. This should take care of pretty much anything that might be wrong on the disease/insect front.
Then, I would assess how well I am (you are) at providing cultural conditions that are are least limiting. Particularly, I would assess the soil quality and condition, along with root issues and root congestion. In your area, you can still tackle this operation (a complete repot) and expect the plant to regain enough energy to sail through the winter. A complete repot means bare-rooting and removing a LOT of the useless roots to rejuvenate the plant (literally) and make room for the small feeder roots that are the real workhorses. Potting up will not accomplish this - will only allow the plant to grow a little closer to normally for a short while - something most growers believe to be a "growth spurt" but is in effect simply proof that previous cultural conditions were severely limiting the plants ability to grow normally.
You can see how I treated the scheff above, and I do this regularly to several dozen tropical trees yearly. To me, it's just business as usual, but I understand it's scary stuff if you've never done it before. If you can gather the determination, I'll help you through it. You'll be quite surprised at how your tree responds.
FWIW - I'm putting myself out on a limb here by assuming your tree is badly in need of a repot and the accompanying root work. I'm making that assumption because 99% of the plants I help with ARE in that condition. This is a long thread, and I'm not going to read through it to see if I've posted the following, but here is an illustration that uses a graduated scale to draw delineation between the practice of potting up vs repotting:
I have spent literally thousands of hours digging around in root-balls of trees (let's allow that trees means any woody plant material with tree-like roots) - tropical/subtropical trees, temperate trees collected from the wild and temperate nursery stock. The wild collected trees are a challenge, usually for their lack of roots close to the trunk, and have stories of their own. The nursery stock is probably the closest examples to what most of your trees are like below the soil line, so I'll offer my thoughts for you to consider or discard as you find fitting.
I've purchased many trees from nurseries that have been containerized for long periods. Our bonsai club, just this summer, invited a visiting artist to conduct a workshop on mugo pines. The nursery (a huge operation) where we have our meetings happened to have purchased several thousand of the mugos somewhere around 10 - 12 years ago and they had been potted-up into continually larger containers ever since. Why relate these uninteresting snippets? In the cases of material that has been progressively potted-up only, large perennial roots occupied nearly the entire volume of the container, plant vitality was in severe decline, and soil in the original root-ball had become so hard that in some cases a chisel was required to remove it.
In plants that are potted-up, rootage becomes entangled. As root diameters increase, portions of roots constrict flow of water and nutrients through other roots, much the same as in the case of girdling or encircling roots on trees grown in-ground. The ratio of fine, feeder roots to more lignified and perennial roots becomes skewed to favor the larger, and practically speaking, useless roots.
Initial symptoms of poor root conditions are progressive diminishing of branch extension and reduced vitality. As rootage becomes continually compressed and restricted, branch extension stops and individual branches might die as water/nutrient translocation is further compromised. Foliage quality may not (important to understand) indicate the tree is struggling until the condition is severe, but if you observe your trees carefully, you will find them increasingly unable to cope with stressful conditions - too much/little water, heat, sun, etc. Trees that are operating under conditions of stress that has progressed to strain, will usually be diagnosed in the end as suffering from attack by insects or other bio-agents while the underlying cause goes unnoticed.
I want to mention that I draw distinct delineation between simply potting up and repotting. Potting up temporarily offers room for fine rootage to grow and do the necessary work of water/nutrient uptake, but these new roots soon lignify, while rootage in the old root mass continues to grow and become increasingly restrictive. The larger and larger containers required for potting-up & the difficulty in handling them also makes us increasingly reluctant to undertake even potting-up, let alone undertake the task of repotting/root-pruning which grows increasingly difficult with each up-potting.
So we are clear on terminology, potting up simply involves moving the plant with its root mass and soil intact, or nearly so, to a larger container and filling in around the root/soil mass with additional soil. Repotting, on the other hand, includes the removal of all or part of the soil and the pruning of roots, with an eye to removing the largest roots, as well as those that would be considered defective. Examples are roots that are dead, those growing back toward the center of the root mass, encircling, girdling or j-hooked roots, and otherwise damaged roots.
I often explain the effects of repotting vs potting up like this:
Let's rate growth/vitality potential on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being the best. We're going to say that trees in containers can only achieve a growth/vitality rating of 9, due to the somewhat limiting effects of container culture. Lets also imagine that for every year a tree goes w/o repotting or potting up, its measure of growth/vitality slips by 1 number, That is to say you pot a tree and the first year it grows at a level of 9, the next year, an 8, the next year a 7. Lets also imagine we're going to go 3 years between repotting or potting up.
Here's what happens to the tree you repot/root prune:
year 1: 9
year 2: 8
year 3: 7
repot
year 1: 9
year 2: 8
year 3: 7
repot
year 1: 9
year 2: 8
year 3: 7
You can see that a full repotting and root pruning returns the plant to its full potential within the limits of other cultural influences for as long as you care to repot/root prune.
Looking now at how woody plants respond to only potting up:
year 1: 9
year 2: 8
year 3: 7
pot up
year 1: 8
year 2: 7
year 3: 6
pot up
year 1: 7
year 2: 6
year 3: 5
pot up
year 1: 6
year 2: 5
year 3: 4
pot up
year 1: 5
year 2: 4
year 3: 3
pot up
year 1: 4
year 2: 3
year 3: 2
pot up
year 1: 3
year 2: 2
year 3: 1
This is a fairly accurate illustration of the influence tight roots have on a woody plant's growth/vitality. You might think of it for a moment in the context of the longevity of bonsai trees vs the life expectancy of most trees grown as houseplants, the difference between 4 years and 400 years, lying primarily in how the roots are treated.
Al
Dear Al - I have received quite an education this morning while reading this thread. I have known all summer that my umbrella tree was going to need re-potting. Thanks to your excellent teaching skills I feel confident that I can accomplish this task this coming week. I am going to go outside and take a picture of the plant and return and let you advise me of the best way to go with it. I hope that you are available to help one more lost soul. My plant will soon be thirty years old, is probably about seven foot tall and one of my aims would be to propogate as many new plants as possible at some point.
Will return in a bit and am really looking forward to both my plant and myself benefitting from your expertise with this particular plant. Thank you for the help that you have already been to me.
Ruby
Okay, back with pictures. I won't be offended if you tell me that I need to re-take the pictures because I didn't realize when taking these that so much green was going to show up and make it hard to get a good look at the plants themselves. I had forgotten that I actually have two of these plants.
As you can see, both have developed areas that I now know are from reaching for the sun with the stalk being quite long at the bottom of the tallest one. The smaller of the plants has a bare spot about midway up which is all stalk too.
If you are able to tell from the following pictures, what would your plan of action be? Thanks Al.
Ruby
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