The MGs have taken over the spare bedroom. I am calling this the "jungle room" now because the heavy duty lighting brings the temps up in the 90s. My MGs didn't like the greenhouse last year. I think the humidity was too high for some of the MGs and it was really hard to heat (being not insulated well). I am going to try growing in the spare bedroom this winter.
This is a photo of the blooms from the seeds I bought as Kurumsibori.
...and this is actually how the blooms look. At first I thought they were totally different, but actually they are just missing that dark star pattern in the middle.
Beth - Nice photos...
Relative to the Ipomoea hederacea with the heart shape leaves shown here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=3974762
Ipomoea hederacea "Ivy Leaf MG" is usually associated with tri-lobed or multi-lobed leaves and formerly included a subtaxa designation of var.integriuscula to designate the cordate(round) leaved form,but the taxonomists decided to officially drop the var.integriuscula as both forms can arise from the same batch of seeds...
I still use the integriuscula term in an unofficial sense to describe this species when it displays the heart leaves...
This is a valueable reference photo because most people who use only the leaf shape to arrive at an ID would think this is an Ipomoea purpurea...
when Ipomoea purpurea which usually displays heart leaves has multi-lobed leaves >this is often ID'd as Ipomoea hederacea,but I.purpurea can have multi-lobed leaves and this form previously carried the designation of var.diversifolia to indicate the multi-lobed leaves...
This illustrates another example of where the sepals should be the main key to identification and where depending on the shape of the leaves will lead to an erroneous ID...
There is also a difference in the way that the hairs of I.hederacea and I.purpurea project off of the surface of the leaf and on I.purpurea lay along the surface of the leaf...
Beth where are your photos of the I.purpurea var.diversifolia(?) >that I was hoping to link to(!)...
Is the bloom in the center the purported 'summer skies'(?)
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=3974776
I'm still not sure what this solid bloom is
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=3974796
>but I still like it and look forward to some seeds...
Turbina corymbosa
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=3974815
Beth - can you get a closeup of the hairs on the stem and what looks like rootlets emerging from along the lower petioles(?)...
The missing star pattern(rays) on the 'kurmsibori'does make for a significanmtly different looking bloom...looks very similar to the round blue picotee addressed in the post here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=3966650
TTY,...
Ron
Ron, the middle HB bloom did come from the supposedly Summer Skies.
The photos of "diversifolia" are on hold until I can get a photo of the bloom next to a lobed leaf and a reflexed seed pod (as you suggested)...but I haven't found all 3 elements together for one photo yet. I'll send you the link as soon as I do.
I'll work on a closer corymbosa photo.
Beth - A reflexed seedpod of the 'diversifolia' clearly attached to a plant with the trilobed leaves would be good because there aren't many with trilobed leaves that have reflexed seedpods...or any 2 elements together...
TTY,...
Ron
I really tried to get all elements in. Will this be okay?
Here are the two different hederacea leaves, from two different plants.
hederacea bloom
Kikyo dwarf JMG
This one was sold as "Shima". From the original photo it looked like it could be a light, pastel: blue, pink. or purple.
Wild colors
Ipomoea plebia
purpurea Turkey
ramosissima
Pink blizzard
lavendar picotee
aquatica still blooming
Here is a closeup of Turbina corymbosa....not sure what Ron is looking for.
This message was edited Sep 17, 2007 8:29 AM
This was from a commercial japanese pack of Sazanami. I sent you some of these, Ron.
up close...Sure looks like Blue Silk, but the package was labelled Sazanami.
This message was edited Sep 17, 2007 9:42 AM
A chocolate picotee
plebia
Tie-dye plum nil
Big floppy purples
Sold as Trichocarpa mazinga, but Ron said it's something else.
Found it! He said its cordatotriloba alba.
This message was edited Sep 17, 2007 8:42 AM
This plant came from mislabelled seeds. Ron thought it was I. wrightii when it was small. Here is a current leaf and bud. It is developing a caudex.
C mauritanicus
This message was edited Sep 17, 2007 2:30 PM
Here is a funny picture of purpurea (diversifolia) taking a bath.
Beth,
Keep an eye on this Sazanami because it throws almost completely solid and progressively blizzard on the same vine. You might see some blizzard blooms later.
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=3985206
Another thought was(I know your seeds are comercial) but I wondered if Sazanami was a hybrid or a cultivar that would breed true from seeds. If it is a hybrid then it may produce variations but it would still be possible to select for the blizzard provided it got passed to the seedlings.
Karen
This message was edited Sep 17, 2007 7:57 PM
Hey Beth -
Ipomoea purpurea 'var.diversifolia'...nice reference photo
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=3985138
Turbina corymbosa
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=3985191
what I was interested in was a closeup of the hairs on the stem,leaf edges,leaf blade petiole junction area ans any other noteworthy structures...it looked ike there were 'roots' emerging from the lower petioles in the photo here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=3974815
This bloom here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=3985206
sure looks like the dilute color visible on the Akatsuki no Tsyuyu/Blue Silk to me and doesn't resemble the blizzard of the other Sazanamis...
The seed package pictorial showed what looked like a Blue Silk but was imprinted as a Sazanami and that's why I specifically inquired about it...
Ipomoea plebia
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/ByndeweedBeth_1190047035_688.jpg
Do the leaves get progressively more elongated as the vine matures as compared to the very cordate leaves visible on the lower/younger part of the plant(?)
Any seedpods forming(?)...
Trichocarpa mazinga - Ipomoea trichocarpa is the outdated synonym for Ipomoea cordatotriloba
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/ByndeweedBeth_1190047208_290.jpg
Can you show a sepal view on this one(?)...
Regarding the plant here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=3985286
is it displaying anything like the elongated twisting pedicels as seen in the PlantFile entry here
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/125201/
Sepals at the base of an open flower would be helpful...
Can we see the caudex(?)...
Great pictures...
TTY,...
Ron
This message was edited Oct 20, 2007 12:17 PM
I'll keep an eye on Turbina corymbosa...so far no root-like structures visible.
The palmate caudiciform has leaves that are so thin they don't look like wrightii, but still could be. They look more like the "desert" varieties of ipomoea. I'll photograph the caudex for tomorrow. We'll have to wait for a bloom to open.
I'll also keep an eye on Sazanami or Blue Silk for any future blizzard markings.
plebia is getting hand pollinated with a brush on every bloom, but it is too soon to tell if I'm getting seeds. I'll compare the leaves from the base to the top.
a Gray Fog
The Three Graces
Another of those big floppy pinks.
white nil
purple blizzard
side view
Very beautiful picture of Ipomoeas, It would be something to show on a website, and name of them all,
thanks for sharing,
Sylvia in Sweden
enclose a picture om some seeds I receive this week from Thomsen & Morgan in United Kingdom
Good luck with those! Do you know what climate zone you are in (in Sweden?)
