Feel a need for a new forum- North American Exotic Invasives

I think there may be enough interest for a forum devoted to North American Exotic Invasives to cover identification, control, management, and eradication for any one who is interested.

YES! Please?!?
We really need to keep this in one place for easy access.

Me also...some of us are working on a US (for now) list of invasives by state. Would be very helpful to have a place to work on this together.

I've discussed this with Terry and we have made a decision. She'll be along shortly to explain.

Dave

I think this would be great, but will wait and see what the results are, and this site sometimes gets rather hastily overgrown, a little "weedy" (note my name) if you know what I mean. Dave and Terry Usually have good reasons for saying "no". And "explain" usually means that.
iluveverbdy, Sidney

I saw this thread earlier today, and brought it to Dave's attention for discussion. At this point, I don't see a need for this forum as we have an ID forum that works great for prompt and helpful identification of a world-wide variety of plants, pests and diseases.

We also have a "garden foes" forum for critters and "weed" problems which should cover any questions about control and eradication of certain species.

As a sidenote, I hope that as cooler temperatures approach (or are already here for a lot of us) that more of our resident photographers will snap pictures of the cool-season "weeds" for the PDB, along with images of dormant plants, seed heads and pods, bark, etc.

Invasives or links in the pdb that point to specific information allready posted by other organizations about the plants invasiveness. Currently if you hit the link "invasive" on one of these plant's pdb page you get the deffenition of invasive not specification ie where it's invasive etc.

Sorry, Terry and Dave but very disappointed!!
I know it can be just as confusing to have an overabundance of forums, but the exact reasons stated, garden foes, ID, pests and disease, etc... makes finding info specifically on control and invasiveness time conusming and clumsy.
Thanks anyway-maybe this will work at a later date.....

Actually, I am thinking that it would be a means by which to gather everyone with an interest in North American exotic species togother to learn and grow. Control and eradication of these species on our own properties is becoming increasingly more prevalent as we move toward the day when managing them becomes as common place as preparing dinner for the family or doing laundry. This has already hit for many of us.

The identification forum has been quite handy for me in the past however it is as stated... world wide. The Garden Foes has also been rather handy yet on the other hand, it does encompass any and all garden foes to include weeds and critters which are additionally covered over in the Wild Life forum. Weeds is a very broad term and is generally deemed to be any plant growing where the gardener doesn't want it. That could be a tomato plant in a farmer's corn field or English Ivy encroaching into a lawn. These forums appear to be disproportionately weighted toward North American gardeners and in consideration of such, I would hope that the concept of a forum devoted specifically to environmental concerns of exotic species present in NA would be reconsidered. We've got a Collections forum here now when there is a forum for General Conversations, Garden Talk, and Parking Lot. At least a forum devoted to NA exotic invasive species is gardening related if that counts for anything.

There appear to be a considerable number of members out there who address NA exotic invasive species for a living. What better way to tap into their vast knoweldge and expertise other than to create a new forum excusively for all those DG members interested in same.

Just my .02

Please go to the PDB entry for "Tree of Heaven", scroll to the bottom and try the links in my comment. Maybe this is the way to go with it.

Ok that could work. Do you think that people will take the time to read it all?
Also when I click on the link for "invasive" I don't get a definition and have to go looking for it. Am I doing something wrong?

I need to fix the imbedded hyperlink in the PDB - thanks for the reminder. (When Dave revamped the site to the tabbed format, he ombined everything under the davesgarden.com URL and it threw off some hyperlinks.)

Which leads me to my second point. At the risk of being a proverbial wet blanket, we don't encourage hyperlinks added to PDB comments, because over time they tend to "break" and we have no way of keeping track of them, let alone the manpower to keep them updated at all times. When the editors find them, we remove them. This rule has the added benefit of keeping would-be advertisers from hyperlinking to their online catalogs via the PDB.

Your best bet is to provide the name of the site (USDA's invasive plant list) or something along those lines. If people are interested, they'll find it.

Thank you for mentioning that, would have very disappionting to have researched the exact site for the plant in question and posted it - only to have it removed. Will have to come up with an answer that is a) acceptable to the editors and b) so "user friendly" that no one gives up before reaching the information. - I do love a challenge.

OK, I see what PDB meant. No, I doubt very seriously if people would know to go there to look for comments of that nature and if they did go there, it is doubtful they would read all but a few comments and a negative here and there could soon get buried. Quite frankly, plants being exotic and invasive is a new concept to many. There are those who struggle with why plants can wreak so much havoc as it is let alone how complex the issues are. A forum devoted to NA exotic invasive species would be more appropriate as at least people would know where to look. Dyson, I'm not saying that it wasn't great to post those comments as a few might actually read them but who is going to go over into that area specifically to find help on how to eradicate the plant if they so desire? I can appreciate why hyperlinks are ditched but that actually prohibits quick access to sites containing a wealth of educational information. I suppose the information contained therein could be cut and pasted but that would result in some pretty long posts.

Good thing you posted that last bit Terry-that was going to be my next question!!
Ok, If we do the comment thing like Dyson, can we add the states that have that plant on their noxious weed list?
Or is this too much??

and make it sticky so it stays at the top of the comments - in the plant i used as an example you would read a long time before getting to a new post.

explain sticky please

Dave can make a thread sticky so that it stays at the top of the fourm list even when newer threads are replied to or started. could do the same thing w/an invaded states list under comments in pdb (it would be the first comment seen).

Oh-h-h, I get it!!
Ok, what makes us think that Dave would do this to all that could be posted?
Sorry, not trying to be snotty or anything, just wondering....Isn't that alot of work for him?

Ultimately it's Terry and Dave's decision but I mention in my comments if a plant might cause a problem in the UK.

Equilibrium

I quote "The identification forum has been quite handy for me in the past however it is as stated... world wide."

I personally don't see a problem, exotic invasive plants in North America are from outside of North America. Who better than one who is familiar with the plant to ID it?

I can ceratinly appreciate that, Baa. And it's good information. We are really just trying to find a central location as to not be spread so thin, so to speak. There are no control methods in the PDB (not the right place imho) and I wouldn't want to hunt thru the ID forum for control ideas either if there are any....

The PDB is the perfect place for control methods, however due to the nature of pest control and the various methods used, it's much better to have it in the comments boxes. Lots of people look for just this kind of information in the PDB and occasionally it's mentioned that this vital info is missing!

I think there may be some confusion (and it could well be on my part) as to what we are trying to do here. (Dyson, jump in if I go too far afield)

Dyson and I, with the input and help from several others, are putting together lists (spreadsheets) by state of invasive species. Once that is done we will merge these into a single matrix that shows all states in which a given plant is cited as invasive on a single chart. Aside from this being essential information for garderers in their own states, I thought it might provide an easy way for traders and members buying plants and seeds (whether locally or through mail order companies), to determine if plants they were considering have been identified as invasive in their area. This would allow us all to be more responsible gardeners. Yes, I know there are a ton of different lists out there, and as I see it, that is exactly the problem. To find out if a plant is invasive and where all it is invasive, I have to look at upteen different lists, or load some humongous data base with upteen levels of click throughs to get from point A to point B. (Not to mention for anybody still on dial up, they would most likely time out before it loaded.

So, we are trying to come up with a simple and user friendly tool to make it quicker and easier. Having a separate forum on which to work and communicate in developing that tool, and getting beta input and feedback from other members would have been useful, but we can work around that.

PvillePlanter, that would have been a great idea and such lists would have been at home in a forum for North American Exotic Invasives. My thoughts were somewhat different however. I wanted a forum where people from NA didn't have to get all hung up addressing nativitiy and be bombarded by people espousing the benefits of plants clearly cited as noxious in regions here being absolutely wonderful in Japan or China or Europe. Simply stated, I would have like to have been in a position to deal with other people from the same continent who are struggling with the same issues I am. Identification is great and I suppose that's a start but I would have liked to have been in a position to openly discuss with people who are battling exotic invasives by sharing tips and techniques with people who actually have problems with the plants. Baa, The European House Sparrow is native in your neck of the woods and its numbers are actually declining yet over here they are a beyond a scourge of our land. Just one example of a species that is a major issue over here, yes youc ould probably identify it for us but you would more than likely have little or noe experience controllign or eradicating it as there would be no need to do so over in the UK. Just one example of a species that came to mind even though it wasn't a plant. These issues really shouldn't be discussed on the PDX and you don't go and do this in the seed exchange or in General Discussions or at the Garden Gate yet this is where these issues are all ending up... all over the board inflitrating every forum it seems. I suppose I could go to the "Texas" forum to discuss water hyacinth but there is no "Illinois" forum to discuss Buckthorn or the coming plague of Kudzu. It would have been nice to rope in all the peripheral issues of species that are exotic and invasive to the continent of North America into one forum. I for one own property in 3 different states. Illinois, Michigan, and SC. Incredibly, many of the plants that are hideously noxious in Illinois are the same plants in all 3 states. Not so surprising actually all factors considered. It would have been nice is about all I'm saying.

I guess I thought we would be able to do it all in one place....

Don't throw invasive plants at me, I have too many growing wild here at the farm!!!

I think all the ideas are wonderful. I suggest you check out creating your own website using some of the same programs as we use at DG and created by Dave. If you were to do this it could be useful not only to DG but other Garden Websites as well. It is at least worth investigating. http://standardout.com/
This is the company, owned by Dave, which is the parent company for DG.

Judy

I do understand your point. I agree Seed Sowing etc are not the ideal areas to discuss problems and control, that's where Garden Foes and Organic Gardening come in.

My point is that nature refuses to accept country boundaries and a species without a predator to check it has the potential to become invasive in more than one continent or region. We share some species that are a problem, in fact we have had some problem species for a long time that are only just beginning to put their feelers out in your part of the world and vice versa. Not only that but perhaps if it's made known that Bellis vesanus is environmentally damaging in Texas, those of us outside of North America with the species to trade could enlighten a potential trader from Texas that the species is in fact, illegal to grow there. In that light, surely it makes sense to have it thrown open to everyone?

BAA - if you are replying to me, I'm really not part of this, I'm just trying to offer encouragement.

I think we were posting pretty much at the same time Judy, I didn't see your post before I hit send.

Well one of us evidently kill this thread!!! lol lol Oh well, we were both just trying to be helpful

Later. ... Judy

We need all the help we can get, lol!!
Yes, too true Baa...I had to get the only well researched info on Peganum Harmala (African Rue) from Australia! And what nice people they are too for sharing...

Baa, I do not understand your reference to organic gardening? Would you help me understand it? I have a strange premonition that people discussing the use of chemicals and which ones to select to go after a species such as Tree Of Heaven over in the organic gardening forum would be about as off topic as you can possibly get. I have read the types of posts over in Garden Foes (fungus, squirrels, weevils, sow bugs, fire ants, carpenter ants, viburnum leaf beetles, rabbits, borers, and beetles oh my!) and would be inclined to believe that the people over there would be about as welcoming as the ones in Seed Trading were. Bottom line is that Garden Foes are collectively being defined by DG members as critters from insects on up to deer. Look at the titles of the posts on just the first page but the second is no different.

I actually had a conversation with Dave once over a non related issue with PayPal. The topic of new forums came up and it appears there may have been a miscommunication as I was left with the impression that these requests were addressed directly in the forums and that if 5 people showed an interest and if it was gardening related... that the forum would be added. I looked back through older threads and basically saw that if there was an interest and if it was gardening related... the forum was added.

What's interesting is that I see forums on-
Pets
Paper People
Health, Dieting and Beauty
Recipes
And most recently Collectibles???
These are all really great forums for added interest in addition to gardening however I came to Dave's Garden to participate in gardening forums although I must admit I like looking for good tomato and zucchini recipes.

There is a sincere interest in North American Exotic Species. I am not the only gardener out there who is repeatedly frustrated from struggling with these issues. I wrote this earlier, "It would have been nice to rope in all the peripheral issues of species that are exotic and invasive to the continent of North America into one forum." As it stands now, these types of posts are littering other threads. They are being deemed off topic and to a certain degree, they are when they end up in Perennials or Seed Trading or Garden Gate or Trees and Shrubs or any of the other threads that these issues end up in. Yes, they are definitely gardening related but where does one go with them without running into ruffled feathers of people wanting to stay on topic? I can't go to a botanic garden or plant club where some sort of a pamphlet isn't being distributed to gardeners of all walks of life that basically states, "What you should know and what you can do". It has been suggested that those with interests in identifying, controlling, managing, and eradicating these species on their own properties are to check out creating a new Garden Website. This is pure and unadulterated frustration speaking as the threads on exotic invasive species have no real appropriate place for posting and keep cropping up everywhere like... well like weeds.

I am relatively confident a new forum on NA exotic species would get considerably more traffic than Xeriscaping. Would it be possible to test the waters for a month or so and see what levels of participation a new forum such as what has been suggested receives as I do believe there to exist a need for one? Incredibly, it might just attract new subscribers. I for one would post the existence of a forum of this type in my local Gardening Chapter as well as my local Wild Ones Chapter and at the Chicago Botanic Garden. There is a definite need for a forum such as the one requested. People are looking for places to go to get help as is evidenced by the sheer numbers of these types of posts that cropped up long before I ever subscribed.

That is beautifully written and I totally agree with Lauren. It should be as high a priority to be aware what not to plant as it is how to get every exotic plant in the world wheather its ecologically healthy or not.
Dave and staff please reconsider, I already know a thread I'll start there.
There are a number of us who are Grass Rooting a national plant clean-up, so to speak. Please keep this in mind.
iluveverbdy, Sidney

Asking for your indulgence for a rather lengthy post here since I really don't know where else to put it to reach the folks I would like to get some feedback from. I've spent a great deal of time working on this and will be investing more time doing other states so I would really like to get some input from those most knowledgable and interested in identification and awareness of invasive species.

So, here is the list I have developed for Texas. I did post an earlier version in the Texas Gardening forum but the response their was not very helpful.

What makes this particularly difficult to pull together for Texas is that various agencies have jurisdiction over different types of invasive species. Consequently, there has never been a comprehensive state wide tally and the total number of invasive species is still unknown. There are at a minimum the following number of invasive species:
67 terrestrial plants
12 aquatic/wetlands plants
45 noxious weeds
80 suspected invasive vascular plants

Some are in more than one of these categories. At any rate, these are the ones I have identified as being documented as invasive in Texas by various regulatory, academic, and other scientific organizations.

Sorry this is so messy looking from a format standpoint but I don't know of anyway to retain the columnar structure from the spreadsheet I pasted this from. If you would like a copy of the this info in excel spreadsheet form, please email me with your regular email address and I will be happy to send it to you as an attachment. Any input or feedback or identification of any I may have missed would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Scientific Name Common Name Sources
Aegilops cylindrica Jointed goat grass http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Agrostemmia githago Corncockle http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Ailanthus altissima Tree of heaven http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=3198&di=202908&sts=
Albizia julibrissin Mimosa, Silktree http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=364&di=21237&sts=
Alhagi camelorum (syn.) Camelthorn http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Alhagi maurorum Camelthorn http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Alliaria petiolata Garlic mustard http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Alternanthera philoxeroides Alligatorweed http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Arundo donax Giant bamboo reed http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Avena fatua Feral oat http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Bothriochola ischaemum var. songarica King Ranch bluestem http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Bromus commutatus Hairy chess http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Bromus rubens Foxtail brome, red brome http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=596&di=26839&sts=
Bromus secalinus Cheat http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Bromus tectorum Broncograss http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=266&di=19574&sts=
Calystegia sepium Hedge bindweed http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Cardiospermum halicacabum Balloon vine http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Carduus nutans Musk thistle http://bc4weeds.tamu.edu/weeds/rangeland/muskthistle.html
Cenchrus cillaris Buffelgrass http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Centaurea maculosa Spotted knapweed http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Centaurea melitensis Maltese star thistle http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=264&di=20152&sts=
Centaurea repens Russian knapweed http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Centaurea solstitialis Golden star thistle http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=263&di=19101&sts=
Cinnamomum camphora Camphor tree http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=291&di=19817&sts=
Cirsium arvense Canada thistle http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Cnicus benedictus Blessed thistle http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Colocasia esculenta Elephant ear http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Convolvulus arvensis Field bindweed http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Coronilla varia Crown-vetch http://www.issg.org/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=276&di=19639&sts=
Cortaderia selloana Pampas grass http://www.issg.org/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=373&di=25423&sts=
Cuscuta japonica Japanese dodder http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Cynodon dactylon Bermuda grass http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Cyperus rotundus Purple nutsledge http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Cytisus scoparius Scotch broom http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Daucus carota Wild carrot http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Eichhornia azurea Waterhyacinth http://www.ntwgs.org/articles/illegalAquatics.html#water%20hyacinth
Eichhornia crassipes Waterhyacinth http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Elaeagnus angustifolia Oleaster, Russian Olive http://www.issg.org/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=216&di=19468&sts=
Elaeagnus umbellata Autumn olive, Silverberry http://www.issg.org/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=262&di=19023&sts=
Elytrigia repens Quackgrass http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Erodium cicutarium Pin grass, Pin weed http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=518&di=25653&sts=
Euphorbia esula Leafy spurge http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Hedera helix English ivy http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=469&di=23512&sts=
Heracleum mantegazzianum Hogweed http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Hydrilla verticillata Hydrilla, Water thyme http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Ipomoea aquatica Water spinach http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Ipomoea hederacea Ivyleaf morningglory http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Ipomoea purpurea Tall morningglory http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Lagarosiphon major African elodea http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Lantana camara Largeleaf lantana http://www.issg.org/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=56&di=16224&sts=
Lespedeza cuneata Chinese bush clover http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=270&di=19354&sts=
Leucaena leucocephala Leucaena http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Ligustrum japonicum Japanese privet http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Ligustrum sinense Chinese privet http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Lolium persicum Persian darnel http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Lolium temulentum Poison ryegrass http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Lonicera japonica Chinese/Japanese honeysuckle http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Lycianthes asarifolia Childa, Alien weed http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Lythrum salicaria Purple loosestrife http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Marrubium vulgare Common horehound http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Melaleuca quinquenervia Paperbark http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Melia azedarach Chinaberry http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Myriophyllum aquaticum Brazilian watermilfoil http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=401&di=22231&sts=
Myriophyllum spicatum Eurasian watermilfoil http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Nassella trtichotoma Serrated tussock http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Nymphoides peltata Fringed water lily http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=225&di=18636&sts=
Onopordum acanthium Cotton thistle http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=295&di=19898&sts=
Orobanche ramosa Branched broomrape http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Oryza sativa Red rice http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Panicum maximum Guineagrass http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Panicum repens Torpedograss http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Paulownia tomentosa Empress tree, foxglove tree http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=440&di=22780&sts=
Peganum harmala African rue http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Phalaris arundinacea Ribbon grass http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=394&di=21988&sts=
Phragmites australis Common reed, Giant reed http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=301&di=20245&sts=
Pistia stratiotes Waterlettuce http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=285&di=19771&sts=
Plantago lanceolata Buckthorn plaintain http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Plantago major Broadleaf plaintain http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Poa annua annual bluegrass http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Polygonum cuspidatum Japanese knotweed http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Polygonum perfoliatum Mile a minute weed http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Populus alba Silver leaf, White poplar http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=261&di=18979&sts=
Pueraria montana var. lobata Kudzu http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Rapistrum rugosum Annuyal bastardcabbage http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Ricinus communis Castorbean http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Robinia pseudoacacia Black locust http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=572&di=26462&sts=
Rosa bracteata Macartney rose http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Rosa multiflora Multiflora rose http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Rothboellia chchinchinensis Itchgrass http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Rumex crispus Curley dock http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Salsola kali Russian thistle http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
SalviniaI (all species) Salvinia http://www.ntwgs.org/articles/illegalAquatics.html#the%20list
Sapium sebiferum (syn.) Tallowtree, Popcorn tree http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Setaria febari Giant foxtail http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Silybum marianum Blessed milkthistle http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Solanum carolinense Carolina horsenettle http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Solanum elaeagnifolium Silverleaf nightshade http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Solanum viarum Tropical soda apple http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Sorghum halepense Johnson grass http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Spirodela oligorhiza (syn.) Giant duckweed http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Spirodela punctata Giant duckweed http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Tamarix ramosissima Salt cedar http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Trapa natans Water chestnut http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf
Triadica sebifera Chinese tallow tree http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/state_noxious.cgi?statefips=48
Tribulus terrestris Puncture vine http://bc4weeds.tamu.edu/weeds/rangeland/puncturevine.html
Vinca major Periwinkle http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=487&di=24777&sts=
Wisteria sinensis Chinese wisteria http://issg.appfa.auckland.ac.nz/database/species/distribution_detail.asp?si=287&di=20365&sts=
Xanthium strumarium Common cocklebur http://www.ucsusa.org/documents/texas1.pdf

Wow, that is a phenominal job you have done Pville, and this is a great place to show how useful a forum for these post would be. Now let me get to your list. Sidney

Thanks SIdney....it came out even messier in the post than when I previewed it though....if you have a program that reads excell I could email it to you and it would be a lot easier to make sense of it......I know how we need to go s l o w l y LOL

Don't have excell, I am going to start tutorials so I can pull out what i need and put it togeather. I need better pictures of my big 10 hit list for Florida, I can keep looking.
Thanks for all the work.

SIdney,

In the research I did on the Texas list, I found that quite a few of them were common with Florida, so if any of the ones on my list are also part of your top 10 list, let me know and I might be able to point you to some good sites I came across with some fairly detailed info on those species complete with photo galeries.

Equilibrium

My reference to organic gardening is the choice in control aspect. Garden Foes is for weeds as well as other pests Here is the blurb to that forum "Discussions regarding any pests, diseases, or unwanted plants plaguing your garden are fair game here!" where or not any recent weed threads are in there is by the by, the forum is there just for this kind of thing.

I can't speak for Dave or Terry nor am I a DG admin, nor am I part of any of the final decision making for DG (everyone is part of the initial decision making), however where forums exist that cover the same kinds of topics the new forums generally haven't been created, several have been turned down for this very reason.

This message was edited Nov 16, 2004 5:22 AM

Lauren
Very, very well written (sure you don't want to come to CO and weed warrior there)!! And I agree 100%. Dave and Terry, please reconsider...

P'ville
Outstanding!