http://davesgarden.com/fp.php?pid=745098 These Passiflora trisecta seedlings have started to grow really, really well. And others too. So my test is doing great. High humid is very important to young Passiflora seedlings and cuttings. Also, the soil has to be wet all the time, I cant get dry.
This Is a Test,from the ....
Mitjo,how much time from planting to germination?
Clare and all,the cuttings in the bucket with the air pump,was turning soft,without any roots to speak of,the cuttings in jar of water are all over an inch.
So In my opinion,the jar of water in bucket of water is the way to go for me.
Sounds good, Don. I'm still doing okay with the jar of water enclosed in a plastic bag so far. The P. Alata Ruby Glow cuttings have a square stem, which is different from the other Passifloras, other than P. Quadrangularis which also has a square stem. These cuttings seem very susceptible to rot and are not rooting in water. I'm going to try the layering method outside for these. I'm also trying to root some in plain soil with no outside humidity. The humidity factor for Ruby Glow does not seem to help and only hastens rot.
Tropicman. It happened really fast. If I remember right, it was only 7 days from planting to germination.
Mitjo,wow that is really fast,when will you pot it up?
Here you go:) Fresh picture of Passiflora trisecta seedlings:)
Thanks Mitjo,and there already starting to vine out!!
Pot it up? Sory, I dont understand:)
No problem:) Yes, hehehe, they have started to make those tiny things:)
Tendrils was the word I was trying to think of,brain dead sometimes,pot up means to plant in the next size bigger pot.
Hope you didn't think I was refering to grass ,weed,mary jane,dope,marijuanna,he he!!!LOL!
Just want you all to know that I have been keeping up with your progress. Also, I purchased three incense Passifloras and we have alot of trouble with roof rats here after the fires. Well, they ate through the vines in two days about two weeks ago.. well, I remembered your test and picked up all the little pieces and stuck them into a plastic cup with soiless mix on about the 22nd of Jan. and put that cup into a plastic bag and sat the thing in front of a window. Yesterday I noticed some growth on the sticks. Also, had a little bit of mold on the bottom, so I opened the bag to get some air in there. I don't know if they have roots or not, am afraid to check because If they do, I might hurt them.
Thank you for all the incentive you all give here. I have ordered four other types of Passiflora seeds and am going to try to germinate some.. I think I have the one you showed up there as trisecta, but did not know the name and grew that last year from seed, it has not bloomed yet. Antoinette
That's great, Antoinette. It sounds like you have been successful with your Passiflora rootings! P. Incense does seem to be a willing rooter. You may also have "suckers" coming up from the base of your vine in the summer. These are new plants that come up from the roots and can be carefully dug up and potted to create new plants.
My P. Lady Margaret and P. Alata "Ruby Glow" cuttings are still alive, but P. Lady Margaret's stem is turning a little brown in the middle, which has me concerned. The largest cuttings with three or four nodes seem to do much better than tip cuttings of one or two nodes. I think that these may be easier to root in the spring.
Seems the "hurrier I go, the behinder I get". I have only started Incense, in perlite, all have new growth, so guess the are rooting. I want to start Vitifolia, Lady Margaret and Indigo Dreams. Still fooling around with brug seeds, cuttings, etc. Will start Passion Flwrs one of the days!
P. Flwrs are putting out lots of new growth, so cuttings should start ok.
What an interesting and most informative forum. I have never tried growing passion vine, but my partner has been asking for one....now after reading all of your posts here I think I may just have to go out and get a couple....or at least some seeds.
Thanks for the inspiration
RikerBear
RikerBear: I would buy plants, as seeds might not come true. www.Logees.com/ have lot of them, reasonable.
Mine seem to have formed very small roots, will leave them in their container another month or so..
Tropicman, here you go again.
Passiflora trisecta couple days ago. I had to transplant it again, and I moved it to our livingroom because it was too tall and it didnt fit under the plant ligjh. There are no planbtlights in our livingroom it days are starting to be longer so I believe it get enough light.
Hi Mitjo, Tropicman's wife has been ill, and I know he's been pretty busy taking care of her so he probably won't be visiting here for a little while anyway, but I'm sure he will be back.
Your Passiflora looks very happy and healthy:-)
Oh my, I am sorry to hear about her wife.
Let's hope she'll be healthy soon.
Thank anyway Clare.
Hi All,
Brought wife home from the hospital lastnite after double by pass last friday and pnuemonia since wednesday.
She'll be slow going for a while,but she'll bounce back after a couple weeks.
Wow Mitjo,what in the heck are you feeding that baby?
Mines about half that,but growing,must be that you live so much closer to the sun than me,yes it has to be the higher elavation!!!
Thanks Clare for standing in for me.
It is nice to hear this Tropicman. I hope your wife will be better soon.
Yes, it grow really fast. Heheheh. I havent fertilized it or anything.
Tman, will keep you and your wife in my prayers.
Hi Tropicman. Glad to see you back posting again. We are all praying for your wife's speedy recovery. Take care of yourself too:-)
Thanks all,
Each day.Patti's getting better.
Tropicman, my prayers are with your wife and you. Hope she has a speedy recovery.
Hello all.
Tropicman, our prayer's are with you and yours.
I just joined the club recently so I'm a lil behind the curve. I saw your different rooting "machines". All of them have there uses, I have a new twist on 1 of your designs that I've used with great success.
I took a shallow rubbermaid container and partially fill it w/ ph treated h2o. Take the lid and drill 1/2 inch holes in the top. You will place your cuttings in the holes using styrofoam or anything else you can place around the stem to hold it upright in the lid(I've seen friends use all kinds of stuff, even rockwool). Pic up 1 of those long bar shaped air stones(8-10inches long) and hook it up to your air pump(dont forget to drill a small hole for the air tubing in the container.
Place the lid on w/o any plants and play w/ the water level. When the water level is correct, your airstone will create a fine mist much like a aeroponic system. Then place your cuts in the holes and let them go. This method is great for hard to root cuts, the mist doesn't promote the "mushy stem" problem I sometimes find in other methods. It isn't rare to see roots in 7 days. I hope I explained that well enough.
When I have mold or mildew problems while trying to root, I use a 10% bleach/water solotion and dip the entire cutting in it to semi sterilize them.
I also have another method I use but you need to be a aquarium nut like me. I have a big tank w/ and the filter system has a spot that I cant stick cuttings in the water. Its just a huge spin on the jar of water method except it has more oxygen and a mild nutrient.
There are soo many ways to get the desired results, its just a matter of what you get comfy w/ imo.
Tropicman. I'm a fellow passion flower fanatic. I usually bring many of mine indoors for the winter, but my wife decided they needed to go in the basement this year. Well my wheelchair doesn't go down stairs so I couldn't check on my plants. I finally got her to bring them up yesterday. She decided using my lights was a hassle, big mistake! Well I lost them all except for P. Incarnata thats trying to take over the yard.
If anyone has any seeds, cuts etc. of any Passiflora...I'd beg borrow but not steal to get my hands on some more to replace the 1's I lost. I'm still working on my plant list for this site. I was in the hospital at the time I'd usually pull seeds from all my clematis etc. so I don't have any climbers to offer. I've been laid up since then until recently. My gardening is going to be a big part of my rehab. and I can't wait. I already have my seed flats out and spring is a ways off. Hopefully I'm not letting spring fever get the best of me! LOL
Thanks everyone, it's been a joy reading your posts and I'm soo happy I finally found Dave's Garden!
Jeff
Hi Jeff, thanks for the information about your propagation method. That sounds like a terrific way to root them. I'm trying a new way now since my other ways have failed miserably. Even when I was able to get a cutting to develop roots, the cutting would die after I transplanted it. I think that winter is a difficult time to do this and that I would be having more success if the weather was warmer. My new way is I have them sitting in a jar of water with a large plastic ziplock bag sealed over the tops of them, and the whole thing is sitting in a tub of water outside in the shade on my back patio. I've left them like that for a week now, and so far they look pretty good. It looks very humid inside that bag. I'm in Zone 10 so it has gotten down into the 40's at night but lately it has been in the 50's at night and in the 70's during the day. I will definitely let you know if I can get some extra cuttings to root. I think it will be much easier when summer comes around. Gardening is truly excellent therapy. Heal fast and well.
Hello Clare.
Thanks for the kind words, I look forward to learning more about you all and get some more knowledge about our hobby.
I think I have a couple ideas that will help you out. I like the rooting thing I described above but I also ended up w/ just bare white roots. I think that alone can really stress out a plant when potting. I use Oasis cubes to root my plants in, that way I can carry and handle a cutting by having a "block" full of the roots. These cubes feel like the foam that you get in some flower arrangments, real soft and dents/compresses very easily and isn't like rockwool except in shape. I'll find a link for it and post it here. You will love these things because your not handling bare roots alone and pot the cube right along w/ the plant. Here is another method that I use 99% of the time.
I take my cuttings as usual and clean them well and making sure I get a really clean cut. Them I dip it in "Clonex" rooting hormone gel and stick them right into the oasis cubes. Now you have a base to handle your cuttings with immediately. I then take 1 of the store bought black trays and put a thin layer of vermiculite across the bottom(1/4 inch deep or so) and set the cubes on top of it. Then I'll get a pump spray and mist everything until its all moist with water or a Maxicrop solution(Norwegian Seaweed). Maxicrop I think is a life saver via foliar feeding/pouring plants I've allowed to dry up, they perk up fast. Then put a plastic dome over the mats. I always cut a small square out of each end of the dome for ventilation when needed. I keep the temps around 74F w/ heat mats.. I spray them when I notice the amount of condensation starts decreasing. I use the maxicrop and hose down the cuts and cubes and make sure the vermiculite isn't saturated, just moist. I have flouresent lights I keep a few inches above the domes and never turn them off until your done. These cubes are around 1inch cubed and you should see white spikes shooting out and into the vermiculite in 7-10 days on avg.. After you see roots your ready for potting them up. Now instead of babying around w/ bare roots, you have cubes that serve as a carrying device and a growing medium.
I've used this method for over 10 years and I bet 95% of my cutting make it and thrive. You can also use rockwool cubes if you like that stuff, I don't. You can put as many cuts as will fit in there.
This is the only way I can keep the costs of new plants to a minimum early every spring. For example, my wife wanted a bunch of coleus in various colors and I didn't want to buy all these annuals. My friends company hires out landscaping and they had planted every color of coleous imaginable. Snip snip snip and in 2 weeks the wife has all the coleous she wanted. Sometimes I'll bring a nice annual indoors over winter and come spring, I'll butcher it and have plenty to plant and I make a new "copy" that fall and on and on. It does get VERY hectic trying to keep 10-12 trays of cuts and seedlings thriving every spring.
I'm tired and have rambled enough, hope I've helped.
JD
JD, your "rambling" is marvelous. Thanks again for sharing your expertise. If you can find that link on where to buy Oasis cubes, I'd like to try them. I had heard of them before but not with the detail that you just provided. I'm convinced! Thanks again for sharing your knowledge. I'd also like to try "Clonex" rooting hormone gel so I'll have to find a source for that. All they have at Home Depot is "Roottone."
I've decided that, since you are so good at rooting things, I'm going to send you some fresh Passiflora cuttings! I'm going to send a package out to a friend of mine in Kansas tomorrow, and so I'll send you a package too. Send me your address through this web site. (Click on my name.)
WOW! I'm soo happy to contribute and that you find my experience valuable. I'm glad somebody does! LOL
http://www.gchydro.com/detail.asp?product_id=xoasis
That is just 1 link of many, do a search and via hydroponic stores, you'll find oasis cubes. If your lucky enough to have a hydroponics shop in your town, they should have all of this stuff. You may get a little sticker shock when you find clonex, I think it's around 20$ per a small bottle and they say it doesn't have much shelf life. My bottle lasted me atleast 3 years and I didn't notice any decline in performance.
I'm curious to see how you send cuts. I've sent and recieved rooted cuttings but never bare cuts. I hope its just as easy as rooting a cut taken from here. Looks like we will soon see;).
What different Passiflora's do you have? Man I'm PUMPED about getting more.
THANKYOU THANKYOU! If you have any other questions, fire away. I'm pretty good at hydro/aero and aquaponics and can design/make different systems rather than buying the Hi$ units at any grow shop.
Well Off to your website!
JD
Hi JD! Thanks for the link. I'll keep my eyes open for the Oasis cubes and do a search for them as well. They look great!
Wow! Twenty dollars for Clonex! I'm in sticker shock now:-) But, if it lasts three years, then that's not too bad.
As for shipping cuttings, I have sent them across the country, and they arrived in great condition. I always send Priority Mail, which usually takes two days if I mail on Monday or Tuesday. I wrap the bottoms in wet papertowels and then in saranwrap, and then I put the cuttings in a large ziplock bag with more moist papertowels and seal the bag, and then I wrap in newspaper. All plants and cuttings with roots are sent bareroot and wrapped in a similar fashion.
JD, I sent you an email last night through Dave's web site. Did you happen to get it? No matter if you didn't. Hopefully you got my return email a little while ago. I have several different Passifloras: P. Belottii, P. Incense, P. Alata "Ruby Glow," P. Lady Margaret, P. Morifolia, P. Amethystina, and P. Mollissima. I will cut what I can from each of these vines.
You are quite welcome, JD. I'm sure I will be tapping into that brain of yours in the future:-)
Oops, sorry, JD. I don't have my web site any longer. It was too costly and time-consuming for now; however, I have uploaded a lot of my pictures into Dave's Plant Database if you do a search for Passifloras. Here's a picture of my P. Alata "Ruby Glow."
Here's P. Lady Margaret:
Here's P. Belottii:
Here's P. Incense:
Here's P. Amethystina:
This is P. morifolia:
Here's another P. Belotti:
Here's another P. Alata "Ruby Glow."
Man alive Clare, that's an incredible collection!!! Which plants are the 1's you mentioned in our email? I'll always be available if you ever want/need to ask about alternative growing methods. Hydro and aeroponic units both make plants grow soo much faster. If you ever have a problem w/ PH or are maybe getting fertilizer burnt you can INSTANTLY tweak your nutrients, the problem is fixed and your plant is healing NOW. In soil, nutrient lock up or other problems can eat up alot of time trying to correct it.
This hobby has so many angles and suprises, you gotta love it! By for now, JD
Thanks, JD. Brugmansias, also called Angel Trumpets, are the ones that I mentioned to you in an email. I'm sending you some rooted and unrooted cuttings of those. They are wonderful fragrant shrubs/trees, but they are sensitive to frost so you have to dig them up and bring them into the greenhouse for the winter. Some people dig them up and prune them and let them go dormant in the basement for the winter. You can plant them in a container and bury the container in the ground, or you can just grow them above ground in a five-gallon container. Tropicsman, who lives in Kansas too, can tell you what he does for the winter. They can be started from cuttings easily. I'll post some pictures for you to see, and here's a link: http://plantsdatabase.com/search.php?search_text=brugmansia&submit=Search Also see the Brugmansia forum here at Dave's for some awesome pictures.
Thanks for offering more of your expertise. I'm sure I will be taking advantage of it. You're right about this hobby having so many angles and surprises. I'm not really ready to go the Hydroponics route but maybe someday! I really don't want my plants growing any faster! LOL! It's too crowded in my yard as it is!
Here is a Brugmansia called Charles Grimaldi:
