Jeff, I knew that, when P. Incense was created, the creators knew that the parent plant had the virus and that all clones would have it too. I think that these vines can live without the virus manifesting itself at least for a while. For instance, it appeared healthy last year. But this year, the new growth has the gold blotches you see in the picture, which is a tell-tale sign of the virus. I've emailed Monterey Bay Nursery, San Marcos Growers, and the Passiflora Society to try to find out some more information about this virus. I just don't want it to spread to my other Passifloras.
If your cuttings are not showing the virus, you could take a chance that they will be healthy at least for a little while. You'll have to watch to see if your cuttings develop the yellow blotches. When I find out some more info., I'll post the results on the new thread that I started about the virus.
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PHEW!!! Just when we thought we were done w/ cuttings for now and my wife put all my domes/trays in the basement...What do I find at the front door today?...A Whole new batch of cuttings!LOLOL Serves her right for being such clean/neat freak.
THANK YOU TROPIC! I hope I have good luck with these babies. Out of all the cuts Clare sent, I have 4 survivers. It's ironic as all heck since getting cuts to root has always been the hardest part for me, its looking like I rooted several twigs!LOL The Belotti cuts look like they haven't been cut, no stress signs at all. All the others are droopy but it seems that's what Passiflora's do. Both of the seedlings are looking good but I don't know which is which. Which 1 is the short/fat plant w/ spear shaped leaves? Or which is the long, thin multi-branched plant? If you don't remember, we'll know soon enough. Man I have to get ahold of a good Ruby Glow and the other more red Passiflora's.
Don, I can't make out the names on the cuts you sent, do you remeber what all you sent? I didn'trecogonize some of the names that I could make out. I know I have(in cut form):Belotti, Incense,...Unknowns:Constance Elliot?, Carulea blue bouquet?, and Lavender Lady. I'm sure I mispelled all of them and I was hoping to find out more info on them. Can ya help me out AGAIN? Pretty please? LOL
I started this post just before and during cubing up cuts and transplanting, meaning its been 4 hours or so. Some of the droopies are starting to perk up now. Wish me luck and thanks.
JD
Just a quick question(s)...
I have been keeping up with this thread for some time now and find a lot of this information to be very interesting. JLD says he had 4 cutting survivors root out of all that Clare sent him. 4 out of how many? Are these all the same type? I'm trying to figure out JLD's % for success rate in rooting. Also, JLD did you notice any patter with a certain type of cuttings take easier than others? Example... "Noticing that all cuttings that took were thicker stems than those that faded and died."
Clare,
This Carla virus is supposedly spread by aphids and other sap sucking insects. I wonder if this virus can be spread by using the same pruners that were used on the infected plant on other passifloras. Hopefully not or we might all be in trouble since most of us have one favorite pair of pruners that we use on everything.
BUGFREAK, Great questions but sadly our results can't be used as any kind of baseline etc. imo. I'll still tell you results but the percentages don't apply for many reasons imo.
1st, the cuts spent 4 days in the possesion of the USPS. The cuts I recieved sat in trucks w/ no heater and the temps were well below freezing that week,
2nd, The cuts were 4 days old by the time they got here so many were very wilty.
3rd, The cuts weren't tips of a branch and didn't have enough foliage imo. If they were taken that day, that would of made all the difference. When I opened the box, they were already dropping leaves.
4th, The box was smushed hard during delivery which couldn't of helped much.
I think I started of w/ 15 or so cuts from 4 differen't Passiflora's and 3 Brugmansia Suaveolens. The brug rooted so fast in the cubes and was ready to repot 2 weeks before the other brugs I was rooting in water. That 1 now has tons of new foliage while the other 2 are still working at it. This was my 1st attempt at rooting Passiflora's too. Clare's cuts would of had a much better chance if the temps were higher and the mailman wasn't so brutal. OH BTW, I estimate my results at around 25% which is an all time low for me. Plus many of these cuts are hybrid's so they're either really hardy or really weak and pretty imo.
NOW Tropicman just sent me a box of really fresh cuts of several more Passiflora's. I recieved them yesterday so the new rooting experiment started 4-9-04 and we'll follow these closely and these will give us a better idea of what works best etc. All of these cuts are fresh tips w/ lotsa foliage so they will do much better imo.
This time I started w/ 5 different species of Passiflora's and I can already see the differences in strength. The Belotti cuts came out of the box looking like I had JUST cut them myself while the other 4 species were already limp and wilty. After 1 night in the dome w/ a heat mat under them, they all have stood up strait except 1 or 2. I'm also treating them a tad different this round. I'm using more stem in the cubes than usual. For example, I think last time I only treated(prepped and used gel) and sticking them in the cubes 1/2 inch. This time, I'm using a inch of the stems in the cubes and I didn't include a node on the end of the cuts as I did last time. I also used A LOT more root scarification on the rooting end. I've learned over the years that the way you cut the ends makes a large difference. Sometimes I'll just cut an angle and stick them in, sometimes I'll nick the skin and others I'll literally remove a strip of the outter most layer the entire length of the prepped end. Plants vary soo much in the way they like to be prepped for rooting. Some plants don't need anything, just pull off a branch and cram it in soil, while others need sterile techniques used the entire time.
I'll take pictures today and every few days so we can follow the results this go.
Clare thinks we need to kill this thread since it's so long and now has changed direction sort of so I'll start a thread called "Rooting Passiflora's". Clare, please jump in and lets see what kind of result's we get this time since we're both changing our ways a little. You too Tropicman providing you have the time, I'll send you cubes and rooting gel if you like, just ask my friend and itsa done deal. See Ya'll in the new thread!
JD
JD, my numbers are a little different than yours, but it really doesn't make any difference. I show that you got my package in three days and that many were tip cuttings, but some had the tips cut off. I sent you five different Passifloras: Morifolia, Incense, Lady Margaret, Alata Ruby Glow, and Bellotti. I wrapped them in lots of wet papertowels and enclosed them in plastic bags to keep them moist, but I guess that didn't help because of the treatment they got while in transit. I wish you lots of luck with Don's cuttings. I'll be looking for your new thread and following it.
Thanks, BugFreak, about the information about the Carla virus. I just need to confirm that my P. Incense has the virus before I rip it out. Unfortunately, all of the cuttings that I sent Jeff and Don were cut with the same pair of clippers; however, I didn't send Don P. Incense because he had it already.
Clare,
I'm sure you did the best you could have possibly done with the cuttings you sent JLD (certainly taking the season into consideration). I honestly don't think that JLD meant to upset or offend you by commenting on the condition that the cuttings were received or the time in transit. I also don't think that JLD means to "down-play" your efforts by speaking on how great the cuttings he got from Tropicman were when he received them in the mail. Though sometimes we don't exactly mean what we say or say what we mean, I detect a high level of appreciation expressed by JLD. I think anyone who takes the time to take cuttings, pack them, take a trip to the post office and pay the shipping has a very big heart (as you have done) and cannot go un-noticed or un-thanked.
When it comes to the USPS (it's like a box of chocolates) you never know what you're gonna get at the other end or what their records will show. I consider myself lucky to even get the package a lot of times. JLD was more than just lucky since he was able to apply a bit of experimentation to the cuttings he got from you. Not to mention get some new brugs out of it. I wish I had some brugs. I have one with no name and that's it. I too will follow the other thread since this one has gotten a bit long. Oh, and about the Carla viris... I know just the place to ask your question. I'm kind of a fanatic when it comes to passifloras so I'll ask at some of the other groups. Take care and I hope to follow the other thread as closely as I've followed this one.
Thanks, BugFreak. You are kind to say what you said. I do know that Jeff is appreciative of what I sent him. I'm not upset with him, but I think we were both disappointed and surprised at the condition the cuttings arrived in. I've had good luck shipping cuttings in the past before this experiment, but I think, in the future, I will only ship rooted cuttings. I've had Priority Mail take anywhere from 1-3 days to arrive, but sometimes that is not fast enough. Brug cuttings are quite different and do very well in transit.
That would be wonderful of you if you could ask about the Carlavirus for me. Feel free to copy the picture below to your hardrive (right click, Save Picture As) and email it to whomever you wish.
OH NO CLARE! NOt again. If it came across as being anything due to your efforts, thats soo not what I meant. You did an excellent job imo and you'll never know how much I appreciate you picking out this newbie(me) and going out of your way to provide me w/ cuts. I was trying to describe the ideal situation above. If anything, it was my fault for putting them in water overnight instead of cubing them immediately. That alone caused the majority of leaf drops imo plus the temps the cuts were subject too on the way. Man I need to slow down when I write and pay more attn. to how I state things. And I trust your numbers over mine anyday. I bet if we were to look back at the pictures I posted, we'd see 85%+ being tips or the tips were kinked by the mailman and had to be removed. I'm probably judging the end result aswell. The majorityof keepers I have weren't tips and now they have the most delicate and tiny leaves I've ever seen. They're something else and i mean that inna good way.
I STILL SAY YOUR AND ANGEL and I'm extremely honored you chose me to send to. Meeting you via the web being the best part of all, I consider you my friend and I don't want to do or say ANYTHING that rubs you the wrong way. I feel just horrible thinking you may feel like this, you deserve all the praise I have to give. I thank you and pray there are no hard feelings due to my mouth again.
No worries, Jeff. Really, it's okay. You haven't rubbed me the wrong way. I shouldn't have said anything. I think that we were both disappointed that the cuttings weren't in better condition when they arrived. I had hoped that you did better than 25 percent, but still, that is better than my 0 percent! LOL! I apologize for giving you the impression that I have taken offense when I haven't. All is well, and you are kind. That was really great of you to send me all those Oasis cubes and rooting gel in return. I'm happy as a clam:-)
PHEW! You just made me smile again;) I thank you
Monterey, this is one of the posts I was talking about...
Bumping this up for newbies and myself.