Milkweed for Monarch what can we do 2014

So far those interested in Fern assortment are Terp. Greenthumb, Critter, Yehudith, and Aspenhill.
Terri, did you want to include a quarter (8 plants) of the Ostrich Fern full flat you have already ordered? If you do, everyone participating would get at least one Ostrich fern in this assortment.

If we get three more fern fanciers, our assortment would look something like this


Fern Assortment split 8 ways Sample

1 Ostrich Fern (1.75) (3/4 flat AH)
4 Athyrium x Ghost (6.00)
4 Athyrium Regal Red (6.00)
4 Athyrium Branford Rambler (6.60)
4 Athyrium Victoriae (7.00)
2 Dryopteris goldiana (3.00) (1/4 GT, 1/4 AH. 1/8 Critter)
3 Dryopteris australis (4.50) (1/4 GT)
4 Dryopteris marginalis (6,00)
4 Dryopteris 'Briiiance' (6.00)

30 ferns (9 varieties) $ 45.00

Because of limited availability I will go ahead and order Dryopteris austalis and Dryopteris Victoiae which we can drop if not enough interest.

Jill, I think you said you wanted to use Ghost in some containers, did you want to speak for 1/4 flat and let us split the rest?

Happy, if you are readig this, did you want to put 1/4 of your Ostrich fern or Dryopteris 'Brilliance" into the mix and get an 'assortment' also?

Paul, or anyone, if there is one or more ferns you definitely want 8 of please specify and then we can split the rest in the assortment.

Yehudith, are you down with this?

Donner, SSG, Sequoia, Muddy, Roses, Holly, Wind, typ Catmint, Catbird, Buttoneer, Speedie, etc are any of you interested?

Coleup, yes to the question on using 1/4 of my flat of the Ostrich Fern for the Fern Assortment.

I'm trying to sell the fern assortment to my two neighbors that have joined me in previous sales. I just told them 30 ferns of 8 varieties for $45, to simpliy things. If they want input they can join DG.

Are there any other flats open that I could try and sell.

Judy, don't think so Ric and I might pick up a few plants from other buyers just a couple here and there. I would love to get a fern assortment but I am not sure where I would put it right now. I don't have a lot of shade space left other than the new work I am doing out at the Evergreen grouping and cutting thru the old carpet that was used under the mulch years ago is a real pain in the @ss so I don't think I want to go around out there planting lots of little ferns. I do have a friend and I will ask her today if she wants any.

I think my shady spots are pretty much filled up at this point. I love Ghost fern Ostrich fern, but I don't think I have any more room.

Thanks for checking in Holly SSG Aspen and David. Looks like we are pretty close on being able to pull off a Fern Assortment

Paul you de man! Other flats that need selling er I mean splitting:

Shady plants with partials spoken for :

Chelone glabra (11Critter $7.48 + 11Elaine $7.48+ 16 Muddy $10.88+ 6Catmint $4.08+ 6Terp $4.08)) Completed/Ordered

Allegheny Spurge Pachysandra procumbens 32 $112.00 (1/4 GT)
3 shares of 8 plants @ $ 28.00 or
6 shares of 4 plants @ $ 14.00

Asarum canadense Canadian ginger 32 $54.40
4 shares of 8 plants @ $ 13.60

Viola walteri 'Silver Gem' 32 $41.60 (second flat)
4 shares of 8 plants @ $ 10.40 or
8 shares of 4 plants @ $ 5.20

Blue Wood Aster 'Avondale" 50 $ 44.00 (1/4 Coleup)
3 shares of 12 plants @ $10.56 or
6 shares of 6 plants @ $5.28

White Wood Aster 'Eastern Star' 50 $ 44.00
4 shares of 12 plants @ $ 11.00 or
8 shares of 6 plants @ $ 5.50

Blue-stemmed Goldenrod Solidago caesia (dry shade)LP50 $ 54.00(1/4 Coleup)
3 shares of 12 plants @ $ 13.50 or
6 shares of 6 plants @ $ 6.75

Helebores 'Brandywine' 18 $52.20 (second flat)
3 shares of 6 plants @ $ 17.40 or
6 shares of 3 plants @ $ 8.70 Terp $8.70

Will work up sun lovers, too. North Creek has lots of Carex, too. Here is a link to their catalog
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=plants.main


This message was edited Mar 4, 2014 5:21 AM

Partial flats need more shares spoken for to order


Aster laevis'Bluebird'(smooth aster) catmint(1/4)JS(1/4)
2 shares of 12 plants @ $7.50
4 shares of 6 plants @ $ 3.75

Aster oblongifolius 'Raydon's Favorite' (1/4 Critter, 1/4 coleup)
2 shares of 12 plants @ $ 12.50 or
4 shares of 6 plants @ $ 6.25

Aster novae-angliae (New England Aster) (!/4 coleup !/4 JS)
2 shares of 12 plants @ $ 13.50 or
4 shares of 6 plants @ $ 6.75

Aster lateriflorum (Calico Aster) 'Lady in Black' (1/4 coleup)
3 shares of 12 plants @ $ 7,68 or
6 shares of 6 plants @ $ 3.85

Solidago graminifolia (Narrow-leaved Goldenrod) (1/4 coleup)
3 shares of 12 plants @ $ 13,50 or
6 shares of 6 plants @ $ 6.75

Solidago rugosa 'Fireworks' catmint(1/4)JS(1/4)Coleup(1/4)Terp(1/8)
1 shares of 6 plants @ $ 5.50

Solidago caesia(1/4 Coleup)
3 shares of 12 plants @ $ 13.50 or
6 shares of 6 plants @ $ 6.75


Solidago odora (Anisesented Goldenrod) (1/4 coleup)
3 shares of 12 plants @ $13.60 or
6 shares of 6 plants @ $ 6.80

Vernonia New York Iron Weed coleup(1/4)JS(1/4)
2 shares of 12 plants @ $ 13.60 or
4 shares of 6 plants @ $ 6.80


Helianthus 'Lemon Queen' catmint (1/4) JS(1/4)
2 shares of 8 plants @ $ 9.44 or
4 shares of 4 plants @ $ 4.72


Monarda didyma'Jacob Cline' catmint(1/4)JS(1/4)(Terp(1/8)
2 shares of 12 plants @ 13.50 or
3 shares of 6 plants @ $ 6.75

Rudbeckia figida var fulgida JS (1/4) coleup (1/4)
2 shares of 12 plants @ $ 10.50 or
4 shares of 6 plants @ $ 5.25

Lupinus perennis Greenthumb(1/4)Terp(1/8)Muddy(1/4)
1 shares 0f 12 plants @ $ 14.40 or
3 shares of 6 plants @ $ 7,20

SHADY
Allegheny Spurge Pachysandra procumbens 32 $112.00 (1/4 GT)
3 shares of 8 plants @ $ 28.00 or
6 shares of 4 plants @ $ 14.00

Viola walteri 'Silver Gem' 32 $41.60 (second flat)
4 shares of 8 plants @ $ 10.40 or
8 shares of 4 plants @ $ 5.20

Blue Wood Aster 'Avondale" 50 $ 44.00 (1/4 Coleup)
3 shares of 12 plants @ $10.56 or
6 shares of 6 plants @ $5.28

White Wood Aster 'Eastern Star' 50 $ 44.00
4 shares of 12 plants @ $ 11.00 or
8 shares of 6 plants @ $ 5.50

Helebores 'Brandywine' 18 $52.20 (second flat)
3 shares of 6 plants @ $ 17.40 or
6 shares of 3 plants @ $ 8.70 Terp $8.70

This message was edited Mar 7, 2014 8:50 PM

Hi Coleup I'll go in for a share of 6 chelone glabra.

Ooooh, I've always wanted Aster Lady in Black, but I don't have room for 1/4 flat.

Coleup, I'd like to drop my interest in Lupinus perennis in favor of trying to start them from seed... I can get loads of seed for that price, and I think they may direct sow better than they transplant from what I've been reading.

I'm not sure how the numbers are working out on the Dryopteris goldiana... splitting half a flat 8 ways gives us 2 each, without any 1/8 flat left over (which you currently have me down for)... oh, but if Aspen's 2 are included in her 1/4 flat (8 for her, total), then that would leave 4 total for me. So I think I get it now. :-)

I'd love a couple more 'Ghost', but we can probably do that kind of shuffling at the end, maybe I can slide somebody a couple sensitive ferns then too...

At any rate, it's a good list, and 30 little pots of ferns for $45 is a sweet deal! I can't decide whether to plant 2 or 3 together or try them in several places...

Coleup, Go ahead and put me down for a share of the mixed ferns, please.

I looked through this thread but still am not sure - when/where will these plants be available for pick-up?

Muddy, about i/2 of orders will be available for pickup the week of 4/21 and Aspenhill will organize a split the flats, pick up your order somewhere in DC metro area on the gay she picks them up. Other flats will be available at the Spring Swap at Aspenhill's home 5/31. Lucketts, VA
Is Lucketts, Frederick or Silver Spring area convenient to you? You have mentioned Jug Bay...do you work near there? As you know, I'm in Annapolis area, too, for plant exchange. What might you be interested in?

I've started a separate thread for Fern Group Buy here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1351618/

Please indicate any preferences for varieties in the assortment there and confirm interest.
Thanks


I also hope to draw orders under consideration from North Creek to a stopping point soon.

I'm interested in Chelone glabra, and I will buy the rest of the flat (18 plants if I'm adding correctly). Silver Spring is the closest for me.

Great Muddy, I'll add the Chelone glabra to the order tomorrow!

Chelone glabra ( 13 plants Crutter $8.84 + 13 plants Elaine $8.84+ 24 plants Muddy $ 16.32)

Should be available for pick up week of 4/21

Thanks Muddy,

Chelone glabra ( 13 for Crutter $8.84 + 13 for Elaine $8.84+ 18 for Muddy $12.24+ 6 for Catmint $4.08)

thanks, Muddy and Coleup!

Chelone, Ferns... I need to figure out how to make a boggy spot in my shaded area! Hard to dig down to put in any kind of liner... maybe I can just set down a couple of kiddie pools or concrete mixing troughs (from Lowe's) and mound topsoil into and around them.

Critter, at the nursery where I worked we grew pond plants and other marginals in 'beds' of cement blocks lined with pond liner giving 5 -6 " water depth if desired. These were inside a hoop house so we didn't have to contend with drainage or overflow. Greenthumb should have some good ideas for your property for creating some slope and low areas especially along the back where things are already disturbed, In the meantime your creativity and a few kiddie pools or those 'under the bed' storage containers will do! 6 of those storage containers end to end and a soaker hose or drip system could be nice and not hard to disguise...they could also be raised up on bricks or that decking material that doesn't rot so they wouldn't kill tree roots. Some of the ferns are 'drought tolerant' once established.

Terri and Jill-
I saw, at the HD, a shallow (1'+) ,sturdy black pond liner. It was close to 3' in diam.
and had 2 small ledges inside to set plants on. Cute! $29.97--if I remember...

Perfect for what you both are talking about. G.

Terri and Jill-
I saw, at the HD, a shallow (1'+) ,sturdy black pond liner. It was close to 3' in diam.
and had 2 small ledges inside to set plants on. Cute! $29.97--if I remember...

Perfect for what you both are talking about. G.

Here: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Beckett-35-gal-Plastic-Patio-Pond-PP1035/202206168

Thanks, Gita. The concrete mixing troughs or under-bed containers would probably be easier to fit in among the other things I'd like to plant... extra moisture crystals and a soaker hose snaking along the fence row might also do the trick.

My ferns and Chelone do fine (some of my ferns, far too well) in a part-shade area in a low part of the yard that is only marginally wetter than the rest of the yard. I neglected watering my Chelone this past summer and the leaf edges turned a little brown, but otherwise they were fine.

Some of my ferns (native - some kind of Dryopteris I think) multiply like rabbits in those conditions! They are happy in dry areas of the yard, but don't multiply as quickly that way. I'm looking forward to giving some away at the plant swap. If I don't pull them up, they take over (see the fern behind the Chelone? that's a baby fern).

Here's a photo of my Chelone (1st year in ground), perennial begonia and an Autumn Fern...and my Savannah bird girl. The Autumn Fern doesn't multiply like the natives, fortunately.


This message was edited Feb 27, 2014 8:12 PM

I have 2 perennial Ferns in my East bed--or my "kitchen side bed" as I call it.
Right behind the Endless Summer Hydrangea is a big, old Autumn fern.
It is "walking" too far into the bed. I will try to dig up part of it and pot it up.

On the other side is another perennial fern. Don't know the name of it...
Both are pretty and a nice backdrop in this small bed.

1--The Autumn fern behind my Hydrangea
2--Here you can see both ferns in this bed.
I dug a clump away from the one on the right last year and gave it to Greenthumb...I think??

That's a lovely mix of colors! I'm jealous of your hydrangea. I have 5 hydrangeas in different sun conditions and none of them have ever had anywhere close to that many blossoms.

Muddy--
If you get an Endless Summer Hydrangea ---you will. They bloom ,on and off,
all summer. I even cut mine back pretty far in the spring--just above a fat eye.
I HAVE TO--see how it sits on a corner? That is where my walkway turns
to go under mu patio. As it is--I can barely walk through there...tight squeeze...
Opposite this little sidewalk grow 3 clumps of August Lily Hostas. They get BIG!
Hydrangea on one side--Blooming Hosta on the other...
See picture---

Are the ones you have "Mopheads"? the typical, usual, old Hydrangeas?
Those do not bloom as prolifically--but can put on a show o=f their own.

I haven't read the entire thread, so I hope this isn't redundant, so sad:
http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Monarch+butterflies+North+American+migration+disappear/9445021/story.html

Oh man Ric, that is really sad!!! Can't WAIT to get my milkweed growing!!!!
Hmmm... who says GMO's are a good idea again...?? That trickle-down effect is rearing its ugly head, and there is no denying it.

A few of my hydrangeas are supposed to bloom all summer long, but don't. After thinking about the time and effort needed to make the flowers blue, deadhead them, etc., and about how I want space for serviceberries and other trees for the birds, bees and butterflies, I'm thinking about digging them up.

Muddy, if you're serious about digging up your hydrangeas, please let me know! I'll help you dig them up and give them a home! :)

Awesome!! I have 4 I want to part with. I like to think that I have a green thumb, but I have absolutely no luck with hydrangeas.

Monarch habitat during breeding season was around 800 thousand square miles from Texas up through the upper Midwest into Canada filled with Milkweed and nectar plants. It is estimated that over 1/3 of that is gone: 261 thousand square miles. That's a tremendous amount of Monarch, pollinator and wildlife habitat to lose and still be losing
http://monarchwatch.org/blog/

Yep, it's pretty messed-up when farmers use herbicides and pesticides that kill milkweed and pollinators and then pay beekeepers to bring pollinators to their farms.

The heavy use of such chemicals is also a contributing factor in the decline of honeybee populations too. When crop yields decline due to insufficient pollination they will want the government to compensate them for the losses their actions brought about.

Heard this interview the other day with the author of "The Sixth Extinction"

http://www.npr.org/2014/02/12/275885377/in-the-worlds-sixth-extinction-are-humans-the-asteroid

How depressing!

Well, at least I was able to work on a milkweed patch today by planting goldenrod and several other pollinator magnets in the area where I sowed milkweed last fall. Thanks to you, Coleup, I learned about the necessity of planting a variety of plants next to milkweed patches so the Monarchs can spot the milkweed and also partake of some nectar before they migrate. Thanks to Greenthumb, I now have an amply supply of pollinator magnet seeds.

If the weather's not too terrible tomorrow, I'll do a little more winter sowing around 2 more areas where I distributed very large quantities of milkweed seed last year. I dropped an entire seed pod somewhere in the woods last year and couldn't find it, but it should be pretty easy to spot in the spring!

Do you do your winter sowing only as direct sowing, muddy, or do you use the container method also?

So far, I've only direct sowed because the only areas I've done so far are in the woods along a creek.

I don't know anything about container sowing. What is the advantage over cold moist stratification in the fridge followed by direct sowing?