Milkweed for Monarch what can we do 2014

annapolis, MD(Zone 7b)

The situation for Monarchs is so critical that one of the things I can do about it is to see that as much milkweed as possible is planted and growing and available when the Monarchs come through our area on their journey north and to have mature milkweed and nectaring plants available for their mass migration trip back to Mexico to winter over. Thats why I'm excited to be ordering so many Milkweed plants (will mature sooner than seed sown now) from North Creek Nursery (They do not treat their plants-organic) as I can and personally counting on each to plant as many as possible in our yardens! At the Spring Swap i hope to have a minimum package of 3 incarnatea, 3 tuberosa and 3 currasavaca for each of you to commit to plant.
I've started the ball rolling by ordering the plants and sourcing some seed donations for milkweed and nectar plants especially fall bloomers
Many of my ideas are stated nicely in the link below which I quote

http://www.monarchbutterflygarden.net/10-ways-attract-more-monarchs-2014/

10 Ways to Bring Home More Butterflies

If you’d like to put your monarch-saving efforts to better use, here are 10 ways to positively impact monarch butterflies in 2014 and beyond:

1. Plant native milkweed

Native milkweed is the cornerstone of a successful monarch butterfly garden. Native plants usually attract more local wildlife than their less familiar counterparts. They also are likelier to thrive without as much assistance from you.

2. Plant non-invasive exotic/annual milkweed

Many of the more popular non-native milkweeds are only perennials for warmer climates. This means they will require more tending than the natives. However, the rewards can be astonishing if you accept this milkweed challenge. We have about 10 milkweed varieties (both native and non-native) in our yard and they all get used at various times during the season.

The benefits of adding a non-native milkweed like asclepias curassavica, are that it blooms all summer and the leaves stay viable until first frost. This means you’re less likely to have milkweed emergencies!
Find both native and non-native milkweed for the 2014 garden season by clicking here

3. Plant native nectar flowers

Native nectar flowers usually attract a wider variety of pollinators but this is not always the case. Like native milkweed, they require less care and are more reliable from season to season.

4. Plant non-invasive exotic/annual nectar flowers

Some of the monarchs’ favorite nectar flowers are not native to North America. Butterfly bush, Mexican sunflowers, Verbena bonariensis, and zinnias are huge draws for monarchs, hummingbirds, and countless other pollinators across much of the US and parts of Canada.

Many tropicals/annuals require deadheading for best results, but they are well worth the effort if you want serious butterfly garden results.
Find both native and non-native nectar plants for the 2014 garden season by clicking here

5. Buy plants from nurseries that have their own greenhouses and can guarantee no pesticides have been sprayed on your plants. At this point in time, buying plants from big box stores is a gamble.

6. Don’t limit yourself to local resources. There are lots of reputable nurseries that will have exactly what you’re looking for online. Again, research to find out if they grow organically.

We buy most of our plants at local plant sales or nurseries. However, when local resources can’t provide you with exactly what you want, someone online usually can. Check out these milkweed seed resources. Could you find all those species at your local nursery?

7. Start seeds. This insures no pesticides have been used to grow your plants. Seeds can be sowed directly in fall, winter, or spring, depending on the particular plant. Others can be winter sowed or started indoors.

8. Raise the Migration!

Raise the Migration- Learn how to raise and release monarch migration butterflies

In late August and September, I share tips about raising monarchs to release for the monarch migration. Sign up to receive my free Butterfly Garden Tips and you’ll also receive free raising tips throughout the season. SIGN UP HERE

9. Inspire others to get Involved- Do you have extra garden seeds or plants? Do you have too many caterpillars to raise by yourself? See if your neighbors or local schools might be interested in giving the monarchs a helping hand.

10. What if you’re still not seeing any monarchs?- Drastic times call for thinking out-of-the-garden. Last fall, I ordered some monarch eggs from The Butterfly Lady. I was pleased to find the eggs securely packed upon arrival and I raised five healthy monarchs from her butterfly farm. I’d much rather entice monarchs by growing a magnificent milkweed patch, but butterfly farms are always an option if the monarchs are scarce again in 2014.

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annapolis, MD(Zone 7b)

Latest update on Group Buy flats , Shares still available as indicated. Please note some prices have been adjusted for eroors or to reflect the correct plug size.

These need at least one more share spoken for or may be dropped from order

Aster laevis'Bluebird'(smooth aster) Catmint1/4,JS1/4,
2 shares of 12 plants @ $13.50
4 shares of 6 plants @ $ 6.75

Aster novae-angliae (New England Aster)Coleup!/4,JS1/4
2 shares of 12 plants @ $ 13.50 or
4 shares of 6 plants @ $ 6.75

Solidago graminifolia (Narrow-leaved Goldenrod)Coleup1/4, Catmint1/4
2 shares of 12 plants @ $ 13,50 or
4 shares of 6 plants @ $ 6.75

Solidago caesia (Blue-stemmed Goldenrod-dry shade) Coleup1/4,Catmint1/4
2 shares of 12 plants @ $ 13.50 or
4 shares of 6 plants @ $ 6.75

Solidago odora (Anise-sented Goldenrod)Coleup1/4,Catmint1/4
2 shares of 12 plants @ $13.60 or
4 shares of 6 plants @ $ 6.80

Phlox paniculata 'Jeana' Critter3/8, Catmint1/8
2 shares of 12 plants @ $ 13.50 or
4 shares of 6 plants @ $ 6.75



These are COMPLETED> Misc share available at Swap

_Vernonia New York Iron Weed Catmint1/4,JS1/4,Aspen1/4+Coleup1/8
0 shares of 12 plants @ $ 15.63 or
1 shares of 6 plants @ $ 7.82

Baptisia aust. Aspen 3/4 ($ 43.10) Catmint 1/4 ($14.40)

Lupinus perennis Greenthumb1/4.Terp1/8,Muddy1/4,Catmint1/4
0 shares of 12 plants @ $ 14.40 or
1 shares of 6 plants @ $ 7,20

_Oenothera 'Fireworks'Catmint1/4,Catbird1/4,SSG1/4, Happy1/4
0 shares of 12 plants @ $ 14.40 or
0 shares of 6 plants @ $ 7.20

Monarda didyma'Jacob Cline'Catmint1/4,JS1/4,Terp1/8 Happy1/4
0 shares of 12 plants @ 13.50 or
1 shares of 6 plants @ $ 6.75


_Aster oblongifolius 'Radon'Catmint1/4,Critter1/4,coleup1/4 Happy 1/4
0 shares of 12 plants @ $ 13.50 or
0 shares of 6 plants @ $ 6.75

_Solidago rugosa 'Fireworks' catmint1/4,JS1/4,Coleup1/4,Terp1/8,Critter1/8
0 shares of 12 plants @ $13.50
0 shares of 6 plants @ $ 6.75

_Chelone glabra (11Critter $7.48 + 11Elaine $7.48+ 16 Muddy $10.88+6Catmint $4.08+ 6Terp $4.08)
0 shares

_Helianthus 'Lemon Queen' catmint1/4, JS1/4 Happy1/4
1 shares of 8 plants @ $ 9.44 or
2 shares of 4 plants @ $ 4.72

_Aster lateriflorum (Calico Aster) 'Lady in Black' coleup1/4.Catmint 1/4 Critter1/4 SSG 1/8
0 shares of 12 plants @ $ 8.00 or
1 shares of 6 plants @ $ 4.00

_Liatris spicata Muddy 1/2,Catmint1/4 Critter1/4
0 shares of 12 plants @ $13.50 or
0 shares of 6 plants @ $6.75

_Oenothera 'Fireworks' (Sundrops)(Evening Primrose)LP50
Catmint1/4,Catbird1/4,SSG1/4, Happy1/4
0 shares of 12 plants @ $ 14.40 or
0 shares of 6 plants @ $ 7.20

Trandescantia 'Concord Grape' Aspen full flat $49.50

Triscyrtis 'Sinonome' Aspen full flat $44.50


5/12
Helebores 'Brandywine' Yehudith 10 SSG 5 Terp3
(Yehudith $29.00 SSG $14.50 Terp $8.70)
0 shares

Viola walteri'Silver Gem'Greenthumb1/4 Catmint1/4 Aspen 1/2
0 shares of 8 plants @ $ 10.40 or
0 shares of 4 plants @ $ 5.20


5/26
Rudbeckia fulgida var fulgida Catmint1/4, JS1/4,Muddy1/2
0 shares of 12 plants @ $ 13.50 or
0 shares of 6 plants @ $ 6.75

9/1
/Pachysandra procumbens(Allegheny Spurge)GT1/4, Muddy 1/2 Critter 1/4
0 shares of 8 plants @ $ 28.00 or
0 shares of 4 plants @ $ 14.00
May need to include shipping charges for this item if no pick up possible

This message was edited Apr 3, 2014 11:24 AM

annapolis, MD(Zone 7b)

What do you think? I'd love to hear if you already grow some milk weed..What nectar plants do you have/ Right now I'm in the planing stage of at least six milkweed/nectar pathes (Waystations) along my peper route and container growing A currasavaca for 'milkweed emergencies

annapolis, MD(Zone 7b)

COMPLEYED ORDERS ORDERED

Milkweed:
Asclepias syriaca (Common Milkweed)
Asclepias incarnata (Swamp Milkweed)
Ascleias incarnata 'Ice Ballet'
Asclepias tuberosa (Butterfly Weed)
Asclepias currasavica (Tropical Milkweed


04/21 Week Pick-Up:
Onethera 'Fire works'Catmint1/4, SSG1/4,Happy1/4,Catbird1/4

Baptisia australis Aspen (3/4) + Catmint (1/4)
Tradescantia 'Concord Grape'Aspen (full flat)
Tricyrtis 'Sinonome' Aspen (full flat)
Celone glabra:11Critter,11Coleup,16Muddy,6Catmint,6Terp

Liatris spicata(Blazing Star)1/2Muddy1/4Catmint 1/4Critter

Lupines perennis





05/19 Week Pick-Up
Helleborus "Brandywine'Yehudith 10+SSG 5 +Terp 3
Viola walteri 'Silver Gem' 16Aspen, 8Greenthumb,8Catmint

09/01 Week Pick Up
Pachysandra procumbins (Allegheny spurge) 1/4 Greenthumb 1/2Muddy1/4Critter



This message was edited Mar 24, 2014 11:14 PM

annapolis, MD(Zone 7b)



This message was edited Mar 20, 2014 8:56 AM

annapolis, MD(Zone 7b)

If we generate enough interest in a plant from North Creek and it is ordered, here are the Guidelines we'll follow as per Aspenhill. Please read them before speaking for a quaerter flat or more to be considered for our group buy order. Thanks

Group Buy Guidelines

The original guidelines still hold with two changes. The guidelines, edited with those changes are located here:
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=9744510

Changes are summarized as follows:
1) Due to an unforeseen family health issue that has preoccupied my time, Coleup has graciously stepped in to assist me. She will be coordinating any further interest in plant discussions and tallying up those interests as they reach full flat quantities for ordering.

2) I think the idea to have an earlier pick-up/delivery option was a good one. The group buy order will be split into two pick-ups/deliveries - week of 04/21 (new concept) and week of 05/19 (original concept). So far, all participants are local to the Montgomery or Anne Arundel County area and it will be fairly easy to coordinate a distribution with all of you somewhere in that Maryland area after the 04/21 and 05/19 pick-ups. We will also stick to the original plan of anything from the 05/19 pick-up being available for distribution at the Spring Swap.

*** As in the original guidelines, I will make full payment to North Creek and you can re-imburse me directly when your plants are delivered. I'm keeping track of payment information in a google spreadsheet that you can access online anytime, and will send individual dmails prior to plant pick-up.

Logistics announcements and questions can be raised and discussed on Aspenhill's thread over here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1349274/



This message was edited Feb 2, 2014 6:56 PM

annapolis, MD(Zone 7b)

Links to North Creek


North Creek Plant Catalog
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/plants.main/index.htm



This message was edited Feb 2, 2014 6:11 PM

Silver Spring, MD(Zone 7a)

Coleup, Aster laevis 'Bluebird' is a nectar source for migrating monarchs:
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/plantName/Aster-laevis-Bluebird

Solidago rugosa 'Fireworks'
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/plantName/Solidago-rugosa-Fireworks

(Does any kind of solidago work for the monarchs, or just the Stiff Goldenrod I've been reading about? Hard to get clear info on the web...)

I'm willing to support the purchase of a flat of the Aster Bluebird or the Solidago Fireworks.

thanks!
Catmint

annapolis, MD(Zone 7b)

Catmint, I totally agree that it is hard to get consistent info on the web but I think that many mysteries of Monarchs are just beginning to be sorted out, For instance last year was the first time migrating Monarchs moving North we tracked by more than citizen scientist sightings and observations. (I'll try to find a link,and post) by testing netted Monarchs for traces of particular kind of milkweed it fed on!

Most of the Monarchs who leave Mexico in the Spring head over Texas way (There is a separate West of the Rockies population. Ours is East of the Rockies) where they begin to fan out over the plains and Midwest,(biggest loss of milkweed due to changes in farming practises it is believed) and reach the East Coast and North into Canada. It is thought that either some small part head from Mexico to Fla and then up or perhaps 'overwinter in Fla,

So, we here in Mid Atlantic see some on way North but most in the Fall as along the coast is a major flyway.

Okay, to answer your very good question about Asters...in all the Butterfly Garden books various asters are listed as nectar magnets. True, But not all asters reach their peak of bloom/nectar when the Monarchs need nectar the most for their long flight back to Mexico and survival over the winter there without active feeding.
From the Cape May site, Fall migration records show a variation in peak migration of several weeks, so just like having at least two varieties of milkweed, one that peaks early (syiaca) and ones that peak later makes sense for asters and goldenrods to be assorted and staggered, too.
So for the purposes of Monarch nectaring Timing plays a great part.

Lucketts, VA(Zone 7a)

I'm interested in 1/2 flat of Dryopteris'goldiana'/32/ to add to Greenthumb's 1/4 flat interest.

Description indicates that this one is the largest of the native wood ferns, growing to 4' in ideal conditions.

Somewhere in, MD(Zone 7b)

Just found a really cool website about Maryland native nectar plants, and to whom they cater. (bees, hummingbirds, and butterflies). This might be helpful for some trying to decide what they can grow.

http://www.dnr.state.md.us/wildlife/Habitat/WildAcres/wahumbutbee.asp

I also thought this might be of interest, from the Maryland Native Plant Society:

http://www.mdflora.org/resources/publications/gardenersguidelines/gguidelines03.pdf

(MNPS website is here: http://www.mdflora.org/ )

annapolis, MD(Zone 7b)

Wanted to post this message from Greenthumb :

"greenthumb99
Lucketts, VA (Zone 7a)

I have been really out of touch with the group for quite a while and unaware of most of what is going on. Have not had time to go through all the posts on the MA threads so I am writing this fairly "blind". As far as the North Creek project I would be interested in 1/4 flat of the following:

Ferns
Dryopteris goldiana
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/plantName/Dryopteris-goldiana-
Dryopteris x australis
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/plantName/Dryopteris-x-australis-
Woodwardia virginica
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/plantName/Woodwardia-virginica

Lupinus perennis
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/plantName/Lupinus-perennis-
Pachysandra procumbens (Allegheny Spurge)
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/plantName/Pachysandra-procumbens-



In addition, I am interested in smaller numbers of the following
Actaea pachypoda
Echinacea 'Milkshake'
Iris cristata 'Tennessee White'

A couple of items I grow and highly recommend are
Monarda bradburiana
Scutellaria incana

Silver Spring, MD(Zone 7a)

thanks, Speedie--great resources!

I've also found the Native Plant database http://www.wildflower.org/plants/ very useful. They have 'recommended species' sections for each state. here's a link to Maryland:
http://www.wildflower.org/collections/collection.php?collection=MD

Dover, PA(Zone 6b)

Coleup, You will be glad to hear that my DD is putting in a small butterfly garden in her small city yard. I will say that they love my Bronze Fennel and I will try to bring some volunteer plants to the spring swap. If they are up at that time.

annapolis, MD(Zone 7b)

Gotcha Greenthumb.
Gotcha Aspen as per post and dmail
Holly, yes, and may I say that from what I have come to know is that your whole family is pretty wonderful!! Makes a mom proud. My daughter is land poor urban challenged: only land that came withtheir house is a strip between street edge sidewalk and house. Last year she filled her porch and this year she is planing to fullsun container garden the front porch roof and do some vertical gardening along sections of the chain link fence surrounding the common paved parking area! The City of Burlington now favors strip gardening on public right of ways. One homeowner sucessfully challenged the 'urban weeds' laws and practices and a movement was born that includes walking tours, free consultation, help and plants to homeowners who want to convert from grass to flowers! Go daughters!

Somewhere in, MD(Zone 7b)

Judy, that is so cool!!! GO DAUGHTERS indeed!! < =D

Catmint, thank you for that link, of course I've saved it. Turns out I've already got one thing that I didn't know they like -- Prickly Ash. Fell into the copse one day -- OUCH!! The butterflies have saved their lives, the lucky prickly trees! =P

Holly, thank you for the mention of Fennel - we sell that at work early Spring, so I will add that to my annual Lemon Grass purchase. =)

Silver Spring, MD(Zone 7a)

hi, Coleup. It appears that the Aster laevis blooms in the fall and is billed as 'a great source of nectar for migrating monarchs and other late season butterflies.' Have found this on several websites!

Solidago rugosa 'fireworks' is also supposed to be good for migrating butterflies who use the nectar to fuel their fall migration.

So, it seems as though both these plants--the Aster laevis 'bluebird' and solidago 'fireworks'-- would be good nectar plants for the fall monarch migration! have you read or heard otherwise about the Aster laevis?

Lucketts, VA(Zone 7a)

Coleup. on this post http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=9760782 you have me down for Lupinus panacium, not Lupins perennis. Lupinus perennis is the sole host for the Karner blue butterfly, and it is being hybridized out of existence by cross pollination with introduced Lupines.

Silver Spring, MD(Zone 7a)

it sounds like we need to order some lupinus perennis?

annapolis, MD(Zone 7b)

Thanks Greenthumb and Catmint. I'll change Lupinus perrenis for the Karner blue butterfly. There may be other plant/pollinator combos to consider as well as birds and other native wildlife habitat restoration plants we can consider and highlight in our gardens and suurounds We should also add Chelone glabra for the Baltimore Checkerspot.-

As to asters. What may have been the most native locally adapted aster for me here on the shores of the Bay, may not be the one most adapted or prevalent in Silver Spring or Lucketts, or Lititiz. PA even if we all love aster 'never flop' grows every where, I'm looking for onethat blooms into October, will take some shade and will fit in with 10 Milkweeds and other nectar plants in a no or easy care 8' x 8' Monarch Waystation along my paper route( times 5 or more). The lady where Monarch laid eggs last fall has several asters and would like Raydon's Favorite' because it is shorter and more compact. NC says 'October Skies' is really nice...
Catmint, what draws you to 'BlueBird' in particular?
What 'ecoregion' are you in? I'm in Outer Coastal Plain according to the Polinator Partnership web site :
http://www.pollinator.org/zip-map.test.htm?zipcode=21401

I'm in the same decision/sorting thru mode with golden rod...appearance should for my purposes be 'neat' as opposed to weedy or someone may just get tired of looking at them and mow it down while they have their mowers out! Kinda like the 'wife' wants flower gardens and the 'husband wants lawn!

Hopefully we will hear from some others while we can order in bulk from North Creek.

Silver Spring, MD(Zone 7a)

Quote from coleup :
NC says 'October Skies' is really nice...
Catmint, what draws you to 'BlueBird' in particular?
What 'ecoregion' are you in? I'm in Outer Coastal Plain according to the Polinator Partnership web site :
http://www.pollinator.org/zip-map.test.htm?zipcode=21401
I'm in the same decision/sorting thru mode with golden rod...appearance should for my purposes be 'neat' as opposed to weedy or someone may just get tired of looking at them and mow it down while they have their mowers out! Kinda like the 'wife' wants flower gardens and the 'husband wants lawn!


hi, Coleup. I have the October Skies and the pollinators did like it. Hopefully it will be bigger this next year and I'll be able to share some. So, I was drawn to Bluebird (in addition to the asters I already have) because (a) I don't have it already and (b) it was down as available from NC! :-D

I have a Solidago sphacelata (Dwarf Goldenrod) 'Golden Fleece'. It is the more compact variety (only grows to about 18-24" tall) and so is supposedly more desirable for gardens. The area that it was growing in was buzzing with the pollinators last fall--it was with the Gaura, October Skies, R. Goldsturm, agastache, yarrow, and others. It had a very long bloom time and the stems ended up so laden with yellow blossoms that they ended up drooping quite a bit and it ended up looking kind of messy. The tall Goldenrod that I had pulled out against my better judgment had actually looked less messy and seemed especially attractive to a very large species of butterfly--it stopped coming around once I pulled out the tall goldenrod. :-( Anyway, I think maybe goldenrod like milkweed is better at attracting pollinators when you have more than one variety.

Judy, thanks for that link to the pollinator partnership! It seems that I live in the Southeastern Mixed Forest Province. The link on the website crashed on me but I managed to find the pdf file anyway using google search (just in case anyone else has a similar problem). There is so much information in the .pdf file!

Silver Spring, MD(Zone 7a)

I also wanted to mention in terms of the pollinators, my Joe Pye Weed 'Chocolate' is actually an Ageratina altissima (syn. Eupatorium rugosum), also known as white snakeroot. Here is info about it in the native plant database:
http://www.wildflower.org/plants/result.php?id_plant=AGAL5

It was absolutely one of the top pollinator magnets in my garden last year-- right up there with my yellow celosia, and it bloomed till very late in the season. Also, according to the native plant database, it "Supports Conservation Biological Control (A plant that attracts predatory or parasitoid insects that prey upon pest insects)".

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

Judy, if you're willing to let me sneak back in now that this group buy is back to its original structure, I might be able to help make up full trays on some of the nectar and host plants you're looking at by picking up quarter flats. If not, i'll just lurk!

I haven't had good luck with Lupine before, but I failed to ensure it had excellent drainage. I'm thinking that if I dumped a couple of 50 pound bags of sand to create amount of sandy soil, the native Lupine perinnis should do well for me. Since I have no hybrid lupines, I should be able to collect seed from these. Looks like I might have to toss them into a small twig fire before they will germinate, but I'm willing to experiment.

I looked at Astor radon's favorite and I do like it. Description say it still gets 2 to 3 feet tall, but with a mounting habit rather than a rangy vase shape.

I'd also like to mention that one of the best nectar sources for fall monarchs in my garden seems to be the blooms of garlic chives. They self sow easily, so once you have them, you have them for good, unless you deadhead faithfully. I have plenty of seeds, and I'll bet that Sally does also. :-)

This message was edited Feb 9, 2014 4:10 PM

Lucketts, VA(Zone 7a)

Jill, Lupinus perennis seeds germinate easily enough. Scarify, soak overnight, inoculate, sow and allow a week or two of cold.

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

Thanks. greenthumb! one site I was reading said they were decreasing partly because they needed the heat and/or disturbance of a fire... How do you scarify smaller seeds that you can't hold to cut/abrade like morning glory? I think somebody posted about lining a little pill bottle with rough sandpaper and shaking seeds around in it to rough up the seed coat... ? For a lot of seeds needing "scarification," I find that winter sowing with several rounds of freeze/thaw is generally enough.

Lucketts, VA(Zone 7a)

The seeds are large enough to hold. You can place them between two pieces of coarse sandpaper and rub together. Also, seeds can be purchased pre-scarified.

annapolis, MD(Zone 7b)

Need more interest to add these or other flats to order from North Creek as of 2/9
# of * behind entry = # of quarters to complete flat

Ferns
Dryopteris goldiana/32/Greenthumb(1/4) + Aspenhill (1/2) on reserve with NC *
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/plantName/Dryopteris-goldiana-
Dryopteris x australis/32/Greenthumb (1/4) ***
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/plantName/Dryopteris-x-australis-
Woodwardia virginica SOLD Out for 2014 Greenthumb (1/4)
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/plantName/Woodwardia-virginica


Aster laevis 'Bluebird' (smooth aster) / LP50 / catmint (1/4)***
Aster oblongifoliud "Raydon's Favorite"Critter (1/4)***
Chelone glabra (Baltimore Checkerspot Butterfly sole host plant) ****

Helianthus 'Lemon Queen' / 32 / catmint (1/4) ***
Lupinus perennis /LP50/ Greenthumb(1/4)+ Critter (1/4)**
Monarda bardburianna ****
Monarda didyma 'Jacob Cline' / LP50 / catmint (1/4)***
Solidago rugosa 'Fireworks' / LP50 / catmint (1/4) ***

Pachysandra procumbins 'Allegheny Spurge" /32/ Greenthumb (1/4)***
Penstemon digitalis 'Husker Red' / LP50 / catmint (1/4)***

Pycnanthemum flexuosum / LP50 / catmint (1/4) ***
Pycnanthemum multicum / LP50 / catmint (1/4) ***
Solidago rugosa 'Fireworks' / LP50 / catmint (1/4) ***
Vernonia "Iron Butterfly' /50/ coleup(1/4)***


Does this look about right?

annapolis, MD(Zone 7b)

Good grief ! Aren't there seeds that have to be digested to germinate? !!!

Aspenhill and I briefly tossed around the idea of Catmint about FERNS....8 people splitting four flats and getting 4 of each fern ordered or 16 plants for $24 (depending on total cost)

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

oops, that should have been "sneak back in" not "speak back in" -- I'm still working on catching typos when using Dragon speech to text. :-)

I'll speak up for that last quarter of Goldie's Woodfern if nobody else is interested, but I'd really rather do the 8 people splitting 4 flats of ferns idea if Coleup or Terri are willing to do the $ split on the spreadsheet... people who want more plants can take more than one of those 8 shares... what 4 types were being considered? The 2 woodferns at the top of the current list and... ? ? I pretty much never turn down a japanese fern, either, even if they're not the most native looking. :-)

Actually, 'Ghost' ladyfern does blend well in a woodland setting, IMO, and it's a really stunning plant, much prettier in person than NC's photo (which just makes it look pale).
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/plants.plantDetail/plant_id/399/index.htm

Silver Spring, MD(Zone 7a)

A lot of people do seem interested in ferns right now!

Coleup, I guess the major reason why I was attracted to the Aster 'bluebird' as opposed to the other aster varieties NC is offering right now is that the 'bluebird' was the only aster variety with the "American Beauties" stamp on it. However, I'm not sure what that means. To me, the Raydon's Favorite and the Bluebird look similar and apparently the pollinators like them both. But I'm not actually finding asters on either of the lists of recommend native plants that I have...

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

Pearl Crescent butterflies use many (all?) species of asters as host plants... I think R's Favorite is A. oblongifolius, so it would work. I have seen these pretty little butterflies in my yard, not sure if they're laying eggs or just nectaring.

ed. to add that I just found a host plant listing for Aster divericatus (white wood aster) that lists both Pearl Crescents and MONARCHS. huh. This one is on the American Beauties list (not sure if it's in inventory for NC), and it likes DRY SHADE.

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Silver Spring, MD(Zone 7a)

Coleup I wanted to add that I have seen other plants besides Chelone glabra listed as hosts for Baltimore checkerspots, including Chelone lyonii and Lonicera sempervirens. Is it possible that Chelone glabra is the native host, but that the checkerspot can make use of other plants as well?

But we should definitely get the Chelone glabra as well!!

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

I'm "in" for some Chelone glabra (1/4 flat, or fewer if we're doing smaller quantities for these butterfly plants). I think I'm going to need to run a length of soaker hose through the treeline for plants like the woodferns and chelone that take their shade "moist." What I'd really like to do is to dig in a couple of kiddie swimming pools (or line with fabric pond liner) to make bog gardens for plants like this... I wonder how they would do planted in dollar store buckets and then buried bucket and all for increased moisture around the plant?

annapolis, MD(Zone 7b)

Please indicate your interest in a 1/4 flat or more of the following nectar plants by Feb 28. as part of our North Creek Nursery Group Buy
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=plants.mainOther cultib
Thanks

Primary Monarch Nectar Plants

Basic important nectar (food) plants for adults, goldenrods & asters are especially important in the fall for migration, when Monarchs must fatten up. Straight species plants provide the most sought fall nectarlipid rich fuel and unlike 'cultivars' have evolved along with the Monarch and other pollinators as natives to our area so are recommended over cultivars
Going over what North Creek offers, here are some that fill the bill.

Aster
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/plants.kwsearchpost/variety/Aster/index.htm

Aster novae-angliae (New England Aster) species (!/4 coleup !/4 JS)**
Vibrant Dome cultivar
Purple Dome cultivar
Aster cordifolius (Blue Wood Aster) (shade )species (available in July)
'Avondale' cultivar (1/4 coleup)***
Aster divaricatus (White Wood Aster) (shade) species
'Eastern Star' cultivar
Aster laevis (Smooth Aster) species (not offered)
' Bluebird' cultivar (1/4 Catmint.1/4 JS)**
Aster lateriflorum (Calico Aster) species (not offered)
'Lady in Black' cultivar (1/4 coleup)***
Aster novi-belgii (NY Aster) species
Aster oblongifolius 'Raydon's Favorite' (1/4 Critter, 1/4 coleup)**

Goldenrod
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/plants.kwsearchpost/variety/Solidago/index.htm

Solidago caesia (Blue-stemmed Goldenrod) (dry shade) species (1/4 coleup)***
Solidago graminifolia (Narrow-leaved Goldenrod) species (1/4 coleup)***
Solidago odora (Anisesented Goldenrod) species (1/4 coleup)***
Solidago rugosa (Rough-stemmed Goldenrod) species (not offered)
' Fireworks' cultivar (1/4 Catmint, !/4 JS) **
Solidago sempervirens (Seaside Goldenrod) species
IOther ?

annapolis, MD(Zone 7b)

I will post a similar thread on FERNS and other plants being considered from North Creek later today or tonight.
Here is latest summary for now not including aster and goldenrods in above post

Aster laevis 'Bluebird' (smooth aster) / LP50 / catmint (1/4) JS (1/4)**
Aster oblongifoliud "Raydon's Favorite"Critter (1/4)Coleup (1/4)**
Chelone glabra (Baltimore Checkerspot Butterfly sole host plant) Critter (1/4)***

Helianthus 'Lemon Queen' / 32 / catmint (1/4) JS(1/4)**
Lupinus perennis /LP50/ Greenthumb(1/4)+ Critter (1/4)**
Monarda bardburianna ****
Monarda didyma 'Jacob Cline' / LP50 / catmint (1/4)JS (1/4)**

Pachysandra procumbins 'Allegheny Spurge" /32/ Greenthumb (1/4)***
Penstemon digitalis 'Husker Red' / LP50 / catmint (1/4)***

Pycnanthemum flexuosum / LP50 / catmint (1/4) ***
Pycnanthemum multicum / LP50 / catmint (1/4) ***
Rudbeckia figida var fulgida JS (1/4)***
Solidago rugosa 'Fireworks' / LP50 / catmint (1/4) JS(1/4)**
Vernonia "Iron Butterfly' /50/ coleup(1/4)JS(1/4)**

Ferns
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=plants.main&alphaKey=ALL&whichName=genus&showIntro=0&typeID=3

Dryopteris goldiana/32/Greenthumb(1/4) + Aspenhill (1/2) + Critter (1/4) on reserve with NC *
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/plantName/Dryopteris-goldiana-
Dryopteris x australis/32/Greenthumb (1/4) ***
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/plantName/Dryopteris-x-australis-
Woodwardia virginica SOLD Out for 2014 Greenthumb (1/4)
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/plantName/Woodwardia-virginica

annapolis, MD(Zone 7b)

Looking for 8 people to split flats of 6 different ferns, receiving 4 of each kind cost $36-$40
Available at Spring Swap
North Creek Link
http://www.northcreeknurseries.com/index.cfm

Ferns

Japanese painted fern
Athyrium niponicum 'Pictum' 32 $48.00 $1.50
Athyrium niponicum 'Regal Red' 32 $48.00 $1.50
Athyrium x 'Ghost' 32 $48.00 $1.50
Autumn fern
Dryopteris erythrosora 'Brilliance' 32 $48.00 $1.50
Dryopteris goldiana 32 $48.00 $1.50 0 (GT1/4, AH1/2 Critter1/4)
Dryopteris marginalis 32 $48.00 $1.50
Dryopteris x australis 32 $48.00 $1.50 (GT1/4)***
Sensitive fern
Onoclea sensibilis 32 $48.00 $1.50
Royal fern
Osmunda regalis var. spectabilis 32 $48.00 $1.50
Christmas fern
Polystichum acrostichoides 32 $48.00 $1.50
Tassel fern
Polystichum polyblepharum 32 $48.00 $1.50

Ostrich fern
Matteuccia struthiopteris 32 $56.00 $1.75
Lady fern
Athyrium x 'Branford Rambler' 32 $52.80 $1.65
Athyrium filix-femina 'Victoriae' 32 $56.00 $1.75

Central, MD(Zone 7a)

I could do the ferns. Here is what I'm interested in.
Athyrium 'Branford Rambler',
Athyrium filix-femina 'Victoriae',
Athyrium niponicum 'Regal Red',
Dryopteris erythrosora 'Brilliance',
Dryopteris x australis,
Matteuccia struthiopteris

Lucketts, VA(Zone 7a)

Dryopteris goldiana, marginalis, and x australis are excellent, easy to grow Eastern US natives. D. goldiana grows 3-4 feet, while D. x australis can grow 4 to 5 feet. D. marginalis, while smaller, is evergreen. Matteuccia struthiopteris (Ostrich Fern) is another rewarding local native to grow, reaching as much as 6 feet.

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

I'm interested in any of the native ferns except sensitive fern (have several starts already). I'm especially interested in Athyrium x 'Ghost' and Dryopteris goldiana (4 plants rather than 1/4 flat would be fine for me) and either of the Japanese Ferns.

I think I'd go nuts trying to find 6 varieties to please everybody... Have you considered splitting 8 varieties between 8 people and letting everybody choose one of the varieties? Once you know who the 8 interested people are, we could Dmail you with our first choice. If a couple of people have the same first choice, we might end up splitting only 6 or 7 varieties, which would be fine... or those who had the same pick could "flip a coin" to decide who chooses an additional variety. It's just a thought, and you might prefer to count up preferences from this thread to make a list.

Lucketts, VA(Zone 7a)

I'd be interested in going in on the fern idea.

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