Whoa, I'm going to have to go through all this when I have about 2 hours! I'll start looking around to see what I have to share. And I'll try with all my might to restrain myself with what I ask for! Supposed to be DOWNsizing...
Janet
Trade Thread for Nov 9 Rouxcrew Round Up
Kitt, I will bring you a good sized ginger root to start and I have a spice bush but the spice bush cats seem to prefer the camphor bush. I could start you a cutting of the spice bush or if you prefer to start your own, I could bring couple cuttings of it OR I could bring you some baby camphor bushes.
Bring me a baby camphor! Cuttings arent safely tendable, chuckl and ginger is welcome!
How big do the camphor bushes get?
Ok guys, my front porch beds are turning out to be difficult. Due to the orientation of the house they are now total shade but not so in the summer when they get a fair amount of sun. I just spent the last week digging up my irises, criniums and amaryllis and moving them to another new bed. I need perennial or easy reseeding flowering butterfly and bee friendly, etc.
I have Ruellia, a couple lantanas, milkweed, my rain lilies, some basil, a moss verbena (if Dave didn't kill it yesterday by mowing most of it), some red salvia, and two Turks cap. Most are from y'all in previous RUs.
So I would appreciate ideas, starts that can handle both.
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Joy, hostas make great shade plants and there are a lot with fragrant blooms. "Guacamole" is heat tolerant and I found one rather inexpensive at a local nursery. I may just bring it to you since I can't figure out where to plant it and I know the deer will eat it in front.
Turks cap gets to be a bush, will take shade as thats where ours is. amaryllis could be planted down by the pond, irises do well thrown out just to the southeast of trees or in fence corners. I do not believe the goats would eat anything cept maybe a bloom Joy. Its winding down from spring leaps anyway and those will go dormant by Jan awhile anyway. The Mex petunia does well in shade, but blooms best in full sun.
Hello everyone. The camphor plant can be a large tree and they live to be 1000 yrs old. I Whack my trees back to about 4 feet so they stay small. they will easily grow multitrunks or you can make them grow standard. I dont have room to let them become a large tree. Look up camphor laurel to read about it. they were intro. to the US from the far East in 1875.
I do have room for the camphor laurel-2 i could handle as easy. The chenille plant is a dwarf variety ground hugging plant, yes, great for hanging planters too
Kitt I'll put you down for 2 camphor trees and I'd love a start of the chenille plant.
My amaryllis and criniums are already moved into the sun, well except for the final one that is HUGE. I am not looking forward to digging it up so it may stay in the shade for now. I just came from ARE and picked up a butterfly clerodendron which is an understory plant and should do good in the now shady bed. But my big score today was a milkweed just covered in Monarch caterpillars and eggs. There are even a few lacewing eggs on one leaf. I didn't need another milkweed but I couldn't pass this one up since I don't have any caterpillars. Hopefully they will find their way back next year. I am so excited. We also may have brought home a little green anole, he was on another plant I bought. I hope he made the trip since we have no green anoles and I really miss them.
I'm just not finding shade flowers. I am hoping some of the sun to shade flowers will be happy there.
Carey I would love the hosta if you decide to part with it.
Joy what is ARE?
Antique Rose Emporium
Thanks, Joy. The Cuban oregano which Im bringing you is in morning sun only for me and it tries to take over the pot it is in. I think it would work well there. 4'oclocks should work well there also. The variegated vinca would work well in the shade also. Azaleas are shade plants, caladiums as well. coleus too but not winter hardy. My yellow columbines are in part shade. My Cashmere Bouquet is a shade plant. (I have some extras if needed). Oak Leaf hydrangea is shade plant. My yellow leaf duranta is in complete shade and just grows and grows.. I prune it twice a year.
Maybe that is why I lost my yellow leaf duranta, I had it in sun like my other. I was thinking variegated since most don't like sunshine. I may go to Arbor Gate to get ideas, but can't hardly afford their prices.
Don't care for caladiums or azaleas, hmmm, columbines, I will look for some.
I also picked up some heirloom hoop petticoats, an old narcissus that I remember from my grandmother's garden and another one named Golden Dawn. Both naturalize and should multiply. Always love them,
Joy
Done
I just got some seeds for pink turk's cap as a bonus during a trade. Anybody want some?
Pink, I love pink! May I have one or two seeds?
Be warned, Arborgate loves columbines. I need to visit Calender Gardens when I get home as well,
Hey I just heard that gaura is host for the humminbird moth caterpillar. I haven't been able to keep one alive, the gaura, not caterpillar. Do we get humminbird moths?
I would love some pink! Plz. I was at a plant swap yesterday. It was my first and loved it. Can't wait for this one.
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Joy and Jokenna, got you down for pink! Joy I have had gaura for a few years but never seen a humming bird moth yet.
Yup. they fly usually in aftternoons, hummingbird and a few other hawk moths i see usually toward summers end as well.
Gotta try then, you never know.
You DO know the cats for the hummingbird moths are tomato hornworms?
no. kitt, it is a hawk moth but not the pretty-colored hummingbird one.
Ok, I did some research and you both are right. They are related. All are types of sphinx moths from what I can determine, and are sometimes called hawk or hummingbird moths. They all have caterpillars that have horns, and assume a position "like a sphinx" when startled. Apparently my hornworms are actually tobacco hornworms, not tomato hornworms. And there are a couple others as well. So far I see no reference to gaura as a host plant, but several others. I am no lepidopterologist, but it is very interesting.
http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/insect/05517.html
I know they are very close in appearance, its just if you are growing beans and maters these are usually what we spray for...and most ppl dont see them as friend cuz they lay a bunch of eggs and eat a large amt of greenery.
See how the hummingbird moth has the green on the head, the red on the wings and the spread tail? You will swear it's a humming bird if you see one. The credit for this photo goes to Trishoutofwater on her blog.
according to wikipedia, the moth I attached is Hemaris thysbe which is a bumblebee moth not a hummingbird moth. I am happy to correct myself. They are, as Kitt said, all in Sphingidae order.
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Sphinx moths have also bumblebee moths- i have seen several types of different hummingbird moths,
Well the moths that have tobacco hornworms, the striped ones I get on my tomato plants, will just have to suffer. They aren't as pretty as some of the others, and I am not donating tomatoes. LOL. If I could get some of the others that inhabit four oclcks, primrose or some of the vines, those are quite pretty. And I am not as attached to those plants.
I know, I am a butterfly/moth snob.
Striped ones are prolly army moths, you cant kill enuff of those to matter.
Jokenna,
If you have these left I would love to have starts. Will post my list as soon as I see what I have...
African Mask Alocasia x amazonica: start (Marty)
Pony Tail Palm Beaucarnea recurvata: start
Canna Lily Canna x generalis Lon01 'Tropicanna Black Lon01': Plant one
Gardenia Gardenia jasminoides 'Daisy': cuttings (Marty)
Gardenia Gardenia jasminoides 'Mystery' Cuttings
Hardy Amaryllis Hippeastrum x johnsonii: Bulbs
Peperomia Rainbow Peperomia magnoliifolia 'Rainbow': Plants one
I have all but the Canna and I'll put you down for the others.
I just looked over all y'all's lists again and would like to add some please.
Joy
Amaryllis bulbs:Lemon Lime and Peacock and Rozetta
Torch Aloes
Gregg's Blue Mistflower
Marty
camphor
esperanza seedling
white ginger tubers
Carey
desert rose cuttings
Aloe pups "midnight"
Kit
chenille plant
tradescantia
native dogwood start
Thanks
Got them on the list
Okay, mustang vine cuttings are abt 95% not probable to root- they very rarely form an aerial root. I saved grapes, but my vines have to be 30' long in that thicket of yaupon and smilax...digging is not goin to be possible. Joy? will you be at home tonite?
I will be here, going now to CS for feed, will be pushing trees around later today and setting fires.
It will be later evening after everyone gets off work, bringing these plants to you as well as one for Arlington RU, I cant make RU- just quit this job and will be settling into new driving job. Thanx.
Marty, look where you had your old fern leaf dills growing- my seeds are sprouting now of these and it lets me know I missed saving a ton of them. I will still bring you seeds...
Hi Marti,
I will be a newbie at the RU November 9th, Saturday. I bought some seeds of the following:
False Nettle
http://www.joyfulbutterfly.com/articles/false-nettle-butterflies.html
DWARF STINGING NETTLE
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161018780287?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
and received some regular stinging nettle seeds from a friend.
I hope I can get some of the leftovers [plants and/or food] if nobody wants them at the end.
I agree with you about the high prices of the Arbor Gate even though Randy Lemmon talks about them all the time on 740 AM Sat and Sun 6am-10am.
A friend of mine on Bolivar has cuphea David Verity that attracts what appears to be a
Lyside Sulphur
http://www.dallasbutterflies.com/Butterfly%20Gardening/Host%20Plants%20by%20Butterfly%20Species.htm
the only place that carries the host plant The Arbor Gate. Wish I knew where I can get (Guaiacum angustifolium) for free
Looks like it is a native closer to Laredo, Ft Stockton area, west of San Antonio. When a nursery DOESNT carry this plant its because they are capable of ordering it at request. Hou may be too humid for it to grow well.