the new problem

As for the monitor - it is fairly new - why would I need to change any settings just for DG? first it must be the operating system, then the browser and now the monitor? So DG "improves" the site and I need a new computer with new operating system and a new monitor?

Form over function - what a shame.

And the ad space to the left and the top? Could someone get back to me about that question?

I have a 1600x900 resolution, Chrome, and 110 zoom. The right side of the posts are missing on some threads. The zoom size doesn't change the problem. I have the font size set on 'medium' on HP....which likely is the problem...but I like a decent size print.


Also 'cannot find server' keeps happening just about 1 day a week...still.

This message was edited Jul 20, 2013 10:24 PM

Last week this notice was posted at the header of another site to which I subscribe:

"Important Reader Note:

If you read the HTML version of this site, please go over and look at the WordPress (responsive HTML, phone and mobile device compatible) version of this site and let us know if you can live with that? It looks fine on regular browsers, is dandy on phones, and is less work at this end. Let us know if you have any display issues - it's a better system, has article search functions and a whole lot more. If you have issues, tell us what kind of system/browser is not playing nicely?? Thanks! "

I thought this was a short sweet heads up to subscribers and a way to get user feedback and trouble shoot any compatability probs and test the waters without dumping out the baby. Both versions had their good points and I had no probs with either version.

Other sites announce that 'certain features may not work' for me because I am using an outdated or unsupported browser and I am routed to a simpler version.

Are you sure you're on 2.0? Firefox is now on 22 or 23.

Is that the optimal size for your monitor? Since about 2009, most monitors have been optimized at 1200 or higher.

Yes Terry, I am sure Firefox 2.0.0.20 for Mac

Are you aware of the Responsive Design View available in newer versions of Firefox under
Developer Tools?
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Responsive_Design_View

Seems there is some discussion on Moxilla Support threads this month about "sizing" problems with Firefox
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/963710#answer-451641

And there is a Firefox Add On called "No Squint" that adjusts text or page size independently that may help some users here: (Adjusts colors, too!)
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/nosquint/

Also a discussion in Mozilla support on text size, text overlap on certain sites:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/940615

This message was edited Jul 21, 2013 12:09 AM

Terry, what Steadycam3's computer is showing is a screen full of crap. Sorry, I know you don't like slang,but that's what it is. Think I would rather have 2/3s of my screen blank like I have than that.

Can't believe we are all getting different things. These computers, differences in them, are amazing critters. Seems someone should have thought of that before just started changing things

Sorry, sure glad it isn't my headache. Just my one is enough. I am amazed someone back there hasn't thown up their hands and walked out. Are you drinking yet?

Coleup, I hadn't realized you were on a Mac. That makes the Firefox 2.0 make a lot more sense :-)

As to the coding issues, I will pass along the links to our tech team, but I trust that they are aware of these issues and consider them when they develop and beta test (yes, they really do, I promise) things.

Jnette, steadycam3's page is really only "out of whack" for the main navigation tabs. Granted, that's a major issue and I'm glad we have a screenshot and the details to pass along, but the rest of the screen appears fine.

The complexity and diversity of browsers, screens and user preferences is a little mind-boggling. But if we allowed fear to stop us from making changes, we'd freeze the site and never change a thing. And as everything around us moved on, we'd eventually become incompatible with everyone's screens and browsers.

Terry, my page is "out of whack' the same as Steadycam3's but I believe the out of whack is also at the bottom of the thread at least it is on mine.

Steadycam if it isn't too much trouble could you do a screen shots of
a forum of your choice page
a thread of your choice page top
the bottom of thread showing Reply area
a shot of the your reply has been sent page?
Any or all would be great. Those wacky misplaced navigation tabs are the "ghost column" I tried to describe on another earlier thread on the changes. Andthose verticle tabs are active but where they overlay content below they can take one to some surpise locations. Thanks

I think the "bug" occurs in every message that attaches several pictures. In case you want to reproduce it, I encountered it at the 6th message in the thread at this link, where I attached three pictures. (But I am sure it exists in many other places.)

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1275654/

When you click on the left-hand thumbnail, you get an enlarged view of the picture over the message text. The picture is smaller (I'll discuss that in a bit), but the text is now much more readable than before. Your choices are "Back to post" on the left or "Next photo" on the right. So far, so good. Click "Next photo" and you are now looking at the second photo with choices "Previous photo" on the left and "Next photo" on the right. So far, so good. Click "Next photo" and you are now looking at the third photo, and this is where the bug appears.

It now says "Previous photo" on the left and "Next photo" on the right. But since there is no next photo, it should say "Back to post" on the right. When you click on the "Next photo" link, you go to a no-picture page with just the message text, with "Previous photo" on the left and "Next photo" on the right. Clicking on the "Next photo" link now gets you nowhere, except a rebuild of this same page. To get "Back to post" you are obligated to keep clicking "Previous photo" laboriously until you get back to the starting point, where you have a "Back to post" link. That extra work is not good.

Like others, I am not happy about the downsizing of all of my 998-pixel-wide pictures to 708 pixels wide. If there had been a vote, I would have voted against that. But nobody said this forum was a democracy, so I am not completely surprised by the change. At least you didn't downsize down to 550 pixels wide, like they did over at GardenWeb.

ZM

I originally reported this bug in: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1321152/#ixzz2Zi51fEko


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Zen Man, I think that was happening before the update. It seemed random to me. Ive seen what you are speaking of but Im pretty sure it was there before the big change began.

Zen_Man, thank you- that is a perfect report, and I can easily replicate it. I will get it in front of the techs tomorrow.

This particular thread was appearing normally, but something in the last few posts has made the right edge of script go off the edge for me.

I would like to have the search/social media removed from the left column of all the forum thread pages, too. With the gray column at the left plus the blank space under the search/social media column plus the gray column on the right side, the actual thread info is squeezed into a small space on the screen. Maybe a little more than half but not much more. Maybe if it was on the right instead of the left it would be less irritating. More like the individual home page. But on that page, the right column is filled with info, not blank most of the way down.

Terry,

I'm not one to complain, but I have been a paying member of Dave's garden for years and the new look with the 3" wide column on the left side of the screen is very bothersome. Why can't the paying members click on a option box to have have full screen or the 3" wide white column of the left side if that is what they so desire.

I like having my font size set to a larger size, and by doing so, I have to pull the bottom bar from left to right to read the entire post unless I put the font size down to 12 points.

Thank you for your consideration.

I have just read this entire thread. WHEW! I too have experienced some of the problems mentioned above, but they have been transient and appear to be fixed as of this morning. What remains is the common dislike of the white space at the left side

I am chiming in to agree with beclu727's suggestion that the advert column be moved to the right side of the forum columns. This seems to me to have several advantages over the current look.

First of all, for all of us who learned to read English from books, white space to the right feels more "natural" - you start to read at the top left of the page, go to the end of the line of words, move down a line, and continue. Constantly "starting" a line of text in the middle of the screen {page} feels weird.

Secondly, for those with text adjusted to larger sizes, the area that gets "cut off" and has to be scrolled to reach will be the blank area at the right rather than the right hand side of the text column. Even if you have a wide screen monitor and you don't set your browser to full screen the top left of the window is the part which will be "anchored" and any scrolling will be down and towards the right - if the textual part of the window is on the left most people should bee able to see it without scrolling.

I am enclosing two pictures, the first is of the way my screen looks now, and the second is a mock up of how it would look if the columns were swapped over. Please look at the whole picture, not just the thumbnails, to get a real feel for how things change.

Ciao, KK.

Why do we have to have all that space on either side? I don't under- stand. It just doesn't make sense. We have a couple inches to have our writing on, and all that space left over. Come on you gurus you must be smarter than this.

If not maybe we need to get other gurus to fix it. I realize you have a program, "off the shelf"? Now why are we going with one of those? What are you guys paying for Terry? Don't know. Maybe we need to go to Garden Web instead.

I have large blank spaces on both sides of
the dialogue box so am typing using only
half the dialogue box. Everyone else's post
has a lot of words missing on the right. So
it's impossible to read their posts and
make any sense of them. I take it from
what you said that ads have been added
to the right. Well if no one can see them
nor see other's posts, you've got a failure.
I think I have been here about as long as
anyone but if this beloved site becomes
unusable, I guess I'll give up. Another
thing to consider is that a lot of us are
older and not computer nerds and having
to make adjustments to our computers
is something a lot of us can't do.

If we quit talking about these problems, they will be patting themselves on the back for what a great site they created. Oh, that will be the same time as nobody uses this any longer.
It's about time this get straightened out.

Hey, I just visited the Coffee thread.
Those gals got it figured out.
Use only half the page when typing,
see Woodsprite! post above.
No more scrolling!

iPad mini, 10 point font. The thread pictured below is cut off on the right... Odd that only some threads are like this...

Pam, that's what yours looks
like. If you have an icon, it's
missing too.

That's a screen shot meant to show the cut off lines, and to identify the thread in case that's helpful to the techs. Since this re-coding is meant to adapt the site to include mobile devices, I thought it was relevant to show the problem as it looks on one.

I don't know what you mean by icon?

Pam. could you post the link to that thread you took a screen shot of above so some of the rest of us can check if it cuts off for us, too?

Sure, here it is:

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1316031/

Hope that helps! :-)

New thread here: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1326509/