With all of my paper towel seed sowing, I place the folded, moist paper towel into a ziplock bag, so that it doesn't dry out. But after a length of time, there will be mold, even if pre-soaking the seeds in peroxide and using distilled water and clean hands. I change the paper towel when this happens.
An example of good peroxide effects: Nigella damascena seed instructions say 1/8" deep in darkness, germinates in 10-15 days.
I soaked mine in a mild peroxide solution for a few hours and sowed into moist paper towel in a ziplock. Put it in a black box and left it between my window screen and pane. 4 days later they sprouted!
My balloon flowers are so tiny, really behind schedule too. And my columbines didn't come back! I went to my old apartment and every single one of the ones I planted outdoors came back and are blooming beautifully. *pout*
How much peat moss to lower pH?
BlakeInCanada, great picture! What healthy plants! I'm wondering what is a black box?
DoGooder
Thanks. Just figures that the ones that haven't even been watered once are in amazing shape, yet the ones that I've taken meticulous care of died.
The black box is just a box that happens to be black and opaque, so no light gets inside.
BlakeInCanada, okay, a black box is a dark box. However, I was wondering if no light can access the seeds why the box was placed near a window.
DoGooder
Sometimes plants do better when ignored--meticulous care could mean you're giving them too much TLC. It's a very common thing for gardeners to kill plants with a little too much love!
I had written down that the nigella seeds shouldn't be soaked first. I don't remember why, so I soaked 5 and didn't soak the other 5. I planted the nigella today and noticed the seeds that had been not soaked in peroxide were a little bigger. The notes knew what they were talking about!
I put the box in the window because it stays almost as cold as it is outside, it's about as close as I can get to the temperature instructed.
ecrane3, I would LOVE to ignore my plants. They're so exhausting. But the times where I have said "don't worry about it, it'll be fine", I've come back to see everything having gone wrong (or died) and I kick myself. I have no green thumbs, and I feel like everything will go wrong unless I do painstaking research, perfect treatment and give tons of attention. It's like a curse on my gardening that I have to go to great efforts to manage to still grow things.
I've had seedlings die in under 30 minutes before. Great one minute, go away to do something, BAM punishment! It gets better when they grow bigger though. This time of year is the worst!
BlakeInCanada, I thought maybe you put the seeds at the window because of temperature. Thanks for confirming that!
Also, I'm in the same boat as you waiting anxiously for my seedlings to grow into midsize plants. I started with 15 Begonia Big seeds and there are now 9 survivors. One never sprouted, another was killed by a strange clear-as-crystal worm, and the others died of damping off I suppose. The survivors are in tiny clay pots and are turning yellow which I guess is normal because they're a bronze leaf variety.
I'm mainly frightened because I searched the internet for a long time for giant begonias but I couldn't find them for sale anywhere, I guess because the giant variety is a new species and greenhouses either don't have them or don't have mature plants to sell yet. So my only option was to grow seeds even though everywhere I read that begonias shouldn't be propagated by seed because it's too difficult. Luckily I found pelleted seeds so I didn't have to grow begonia dust seeds. I hope I can grow at least one 18" plant from this batch.
DoGooder
This message was edited May 12, 2012 6:11 AM
DoGooder...check out this link here on DG
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1122857/
themoonhowl, thanks for the link to the big begonia varieties! I want to buy some of those starting next year. When I wrote on this thread that I was searching for big begonias I meant the first type of giant wax begonias (Begonia benariensis), which I couldn't find for sale as seedlings or full-grown plants.
DoGooder
I think there is confusion re BIG Begonia and bedding Begonia you can grow from seeds, but it's too late in the season for growing bedding type as there is not enough time left for seeds to sprout then grow large enough to reach flowering.
As for the Large begonia or giants, these are grown from very LARGE tubers, NOT seeds, to increase the amount of Giant plants, you have to get the tuber to sprout several tiny sprouting buds, normally starting this prosses around Jan / Feb time, and then you have to CUT these sprouted parts off the main tuber WITH roots attached ( pot up on top of the soil in pot) and grow on as for the giant tubers, these cuttings will flower this year maybe and will increase in size every year there after.
I have to say that between Gardenworm2, Ecrane, Altagarden and Flowerjen along with a few others, are speeking more sense than any other info you could get from all the internet ramblings put together.
Ask yourself this, how has the planet survived with plants / trees/ and food crops for centuries without Peroxide, Vinigar poured onto seeds / plants,
or hands up who knows any gardeners who starts seeds on blotting paper, kitchen towels etc instead of what's on the seed packet, not many I bet, all you need is namely good old fashioned garden soil that has either had manures / organics, composts or peats added, not for just food, but to help break up the soil in the garden into a workable / pliable aerated soil that holds nutrients, water, heat and everything else any plant could ever need for the first year or more of it's life.
When you buy your seeds there is enough info on the packet re soil, temp, planting seed season, and for veg, when to start sowing / harvesting. Thats how it has been done through the ages and to be fare, IF people like my late father who had a wonderful growing knowledge had to read as much info as it appears on this thread and is required to be able to grow food / flowers/ fruit trees ect all those years ago, Britain / USA would have lost the 2nd world war as the countries would have starved to death.
Just get outside and plant your seeds, give the shelter or shade, water when required, look out for insects / grubs that will eat the germinating seeds, prick out the seeds and transplant where recomended ON SEED PACKET, that way you will eventually get a garden to be proud of.
I honestly cant even begin to understand how seeds that are growing good one minute and are dead 30 minutes later can have happened and I've gardened for 50 odd years, had many failings with seeds, had many plants set out in the wrong situation and had to move them, made several mistakes re plants that looked good but became rampant the following year but, never witnessed plant death in 30 minutes, I learned from all the mistakes, never did the same mistakes again and have to admit, had I had to learn my gardening skills the way some of you go about it then my life would be one dreadful empty place, gardening would have been way out of anything my head would have wanted to understand, nor would I have had the time to understand what it was all about. All I wanted to know was how and when to plant or germinate indoors my seeds, how to care for them and when to harvest, cut, move, prune, and thats what gardening is all about.
I have always said to beginners that gardening is NOT a science and should be done for enjoyment, and as a hobby, it should also be therapeutic, I therefor cant see how BlakeInCanada is getting any pleasure with the kind of intence science you are talking about but also like another writer's have hinted, it takes all kinds but what you have to be careful on this site for beginners is you dont put other new gardeners off starting gardening by throwing too much science at them as believe me, just plane old gardening practices would suit Most new gardeners and given in plane English thats easy to understand.
I do understand that everyone has their own way of doing things and life is also like that but, as far as gardening goes, the very basics are all that seeds require, soil in most areas needs feeding, weeding and tending by digging, adding organic's, nothing more nothing less.
I hope this is not taken as a critic's rant but please, if you have to go to all the trouble you are talking about may I suggest another hobby more suitable to meet your scientific minds, seeds are NOT man made, nature has done the work for us, all we have to do is take advantage of this fact and the pleasure is ours for the taking without having to learn how science can be introduced for a pastime that does not require it.
Also Do remember that some seeds are truly difficult to germinate for a beginner so practice is more benificial, there are some seeds that even experienced gardeners can not have any luck with, take into account temp, soil, water, light can differ from one garden to next doors garden so, there are many reasons for not having good germoination,
I do hope this helps to remind other gardeners that there is an easy way to learn about growing plants and a degree in science is not something that is required, but just go out and give it a go, you dont have to sow seeds then stand over them every wakening moment or they will die, sometimes they just die anyway, but most important enjoy your garden, dont start big, start with what you can manage and remember the more seeds you plant, the more area of ground you require to grow them and the more time you have to spend caring for them.
Good luck. WeeNel.
WeeNel, your comment that there is a “big difference between BIG Begonia and bedding Begonia you can grow from seeds” confused me because I’m not sure what the difference is exactly between those two species. The Begonia BIG I’m growing is Begonia benariensis which is a brand new type of wax begonia:
http://www.provenwinners.com/plants/begonia/big-rose-bronze-leaf-begonia-benariensis
Begonia benariensis can grow up to 2 ft. high whereas previously wax begonias were much smaller. You mentioned there’s not enough time left for seeds to become flowers this year, and this may be so but my wax begonias do well indoors during the winter, so I will continue to grow my begonia seedlings however long it takes for them to flower.
You had also said, “Ask yourself this, how has the planet survived with plants / trees/ and food crops for centuries without Peroxide, Vinegar poured onto seeds / plants.” Since I previously mentioned on this thread that I add peroxide and vinegar to my plants I want to note that although many plants thrive in the wild and indoors with no additives but water, nevertheless I’ve made many plants healthier by adding things like hydrogen peroxide and vinegar. I’ve attached a before and after picture of my dwarf begonias so you can see the difference between adding plain tap water and adding peroxide, vinegar, humic acid, and fertilizers. The begonias are from the same shipment, are next to the same window, and were given the same amount of water, so the difference is caused by the additives.
The Before picture has three plants, and the After picture has one plant, so one plant with the additives is more full than three plants receiving only tap water. The second picture is from the same shipment but in a low-light area so the flowers have become white due to lack of sunlight. That pot was full of mostly straggly stems with no flowers and as soon as I started adding additives it became taller, more lush and full of flowers.
These images are not photo-shopped. The difference is amazing and I will never go back to plain tap water. I provide this information out of the kindness of my heart to help gardeners get the maximum benefit for the minimum cost in time, money, and worrying.
Also, the begonias fresh from the greenhouse died soon after being placed in low light, yet with additives I can have healthy begonias even in low-light areas of my home. One begonia grew so large overflowing all parts of the container that I forgot it was a single plant and only found out when I removed it from the soil, so I experimented and chopped it in half and each part began growing healthy leaves and flowers immediately. Not all my plants are successful with this regimen but many are and I’m only a beginner gardener so I have much more to learn.
I agree with you that gardening can be enjoyable and therapeutic. Some gardeners find the scientific aspects of gardening enjoyable and therapeutic and others don’t, and that’s just a personality difference. I believe in live and let live. I've gotten a lot of help from BlakeInCanada and others on this thread, so thanks everybody!
DoGooder
If it were easier doing what you say, WeeNel, believe me I'd be doing it. That's what I did to start with last year, and met with failure. It feels like I'm gardening on a different planet than everyone else because the same laws of nature don't apply here. After the instructions don't work, I look online for more info, alternate instructions, anything I could have done that's wrong... and make changes.
Some of my seed packets don't even have instructions and I've had to find them online. Some of them (morning glory, sweet pea, cerinthe, catananche, dahlia) were so easy it was a joy to grow them. Others (aquilegia, platycodon, anagallis, phlox, centaurea) have been a huge amount of work and only a small portion of the many batches I've tried worked. It was the phlox last year that died. I had them inside, was going to give the seedlings an hour of sunlight (not even full strength sunlight) through the patio screen door, and when I looked at them in about 25 minutes, they had flopped over and turned white. I think you call it 'sun scorch'. So when they say "put them out for an hour a day, gradually giving more", they should have said "10 minutes gradually more".
Experiences like that have taught me that plants will only stay alive through tireless checking and babying. I don't have a back yard, so I can't sprinkle seeds in the fall and let nature do its thing. Things would be easier in a lot of ways if I did. I don't get enjoyment from this part of the year, it's exhausting and stressful, but it's temporary and gets easier after the seedling stage is finished.
In nature, aquilegia make hundreds of seeds per year, so nature's odds of 1/100 is good enough for the plant to propagate. I need to do more work to get mine to work when the packet has 25 seeds. It doesn't just take soil, moisture and sunlight to grow aquilegia, it takes 4 weeks at one temperature, then 4 weeks at another, and if they're to bloom first year, they have to have 9 leaves or more before while it's still cool outside. And don't even get me started on gentiana seed.
And I disagree with gardening instructions and talk being in plain English. When I started, I had no idea what many of the words meant. Germination? Harden off? Herbaceous? How much is Full Sun? There were so many things I had no idea were specific terms and not just a personal way of speaking.
It's great if others can grow with such ease, but please don't give me guff because it's not as easy for me. The seeds are giving me guff enough.
Really sorry BlakeInCanada if you thought I was giving you GUFF, to be honest, from reading your stuff I feel maybe your giving yourself GUFF.
When I began reading your questions and your thoughts on growing stuff, it gave me the impresion you were giving yourself such pain and unhappiness trying to learn the act of gardening.
My own oppinion is that you make it difficult for yourself and I was trying to point out that gardening is not science but common sence, lots of us have degree's in various subjects but they dont have common sence, therefore these really brainy people when going about a task, usually have to digest an encyclopedia just to turn a light on, (slight exageration but hope you get the just of what I'm mean).
To be perfectly honest Blake, I couldn't care less personally how anyone gardens, I've said on many occasions here on Dave's, the site is called beginners Gardening, so when someone askes any question re how to do such and such, all the other gardeners with some experience can do is point them in the right direction, as I myself was taught many years ago, BUT, I've also said as you learn, you adapt different ways to suit what your needs are and what type of stuff your growing. There is NOT any one way to do a gardening task but be sure, the basics are the same no matter where, how or what you garden with.
If, like you, and deviate away from the basics, and your in pain because your still struggling to get a task done to a satifactory conclusion, then someone talls you where your going wrong (like myself) then please decide if you wish an answer to try eleviate your excruciating long struggle and pain at standing for hours watching seeds in a pot / tray etc, hoping these seeds will grow into plants, like instantly, and the moment you go to the toilet or walk away, they die on you, then sorry, Please forgive me for telling you that you really dont need peroxide or any other chemicals, they dont need feeding till they have grown proper leves, all they need is air, water, so many hours of light and some seeds, dont even need soaking or freezing, but it is just practice, trial and error that you learn all that unless you have an experienced gardener to work with you and who will show you the ropes.
I think the hardest part of learning how to grow seeds is when, like you, have to do it all indoors, but lots of people do that, myself included, I have a greenhouse but also have a large garden so have to work both ways.
Please believe me I was not trying to upset you, I feel you do that best yourself, I was trying to get you think maybe you are making life of growing plants / seeds etc very complicated but, as you have rightly pointed out, you have decided to stick with that method and I wish you the very best of luck with your gardening, and the future, Kindest Regards. WeeNel.
I feel that was very passive-aggressive. I'm going to save myself pain and struggle by not responding in detail.
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