I am re-opening Dave's thread because he is having a medical procedure and not available. He is good and will be back soon. When he returns, he will re-open under his name.
This is a thread under the Propagation Forum. Therefore, administration is requesting we keep the subject to propagating.
When we get everything and everyone back on line, we will all agree where to go for our chatter.
Thanks to everyone. Sharon
Photo King Kong Hardy Hibiscus
Sure hope Dave's new procedure is done soon and works better than the old one so he is up and about in his usual happy self. Thanks Sharon. Jen
Dave, hurry back. I have a question on how to propagate hydrangea. Since I am not really into the garden shrubs, but I am learning, I do have so many questions you can answer. We love you and pray you return soon.
Hi Ladies, thank you for moving forward with Dave's thread. I promise to be good. LOL
Thanks so much, wishing the best for Dave, I miss him.
I would like to try and propagate some bamboo. I watch a utube and it seems to be very detailed oriented. I try watching and watching over and over to get the base that he was using to start his plants in. Does anyone have a base that they would be willing to share or able to point me to another web site that I could go to?
thank much everyone.
Jan
Jan, maybe Sharon can help you, or ask her neighbor who, as I understand it has a lot of bamboo. Just a thought. Jen
Or, maybe Dave will be up and back to help you before Sharon has a chance to get to her neighbor. Do you have a piece of bamboo already cut? Do you have access to bamboo?
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In order to keep things easy to find it might be best to have each different plant propagation question have its own thread, and whoever has the question can start it.
There may be others now or in the future who have advice or are looking for similar advice, and for their sake (and yours!) it's really best to do that :-)
Terry
Ok, so what you are saying is that JB should post a thread UNDER Sharon's thread about hydrangeas and Jan should start a thread about bamboo. No potpourri of plants. Guess that kind of lends itself to making it easier to slip into the chatter.
Thanks, Sharon!
JB ~ Let me know when you start your Hydrangea, as I would like to do mine as well. It did not start blooming until last week. I will try a couple of things and also look it up in some of my books. I will have to put in some soil sulfur as the Blue is now Pink. Still it matches the Lamium which has beautiful pink flowers now...(I do not use aluminum in my gardens.)
Ok, I found it, but I have to ask you, are you growing these outdoors, in your greenhouse or indoors? I know they can be grown as house plants.
They are recommending to take stem cuttings or by layering. I remember that Dave gave us a detailed description of how to do that. Truly layering is really the easiest, as you can just bring a branch to the ground and pin it there if you are growing it in the ground. I imagine you could also air-layer it as well, with sphagnum moss wrapped in plastic. Has anyone done this before? It can be done with a diagonal cut, held open with a toothpick and covered with 3" of soil.
My hydrangea is still quite small, so I will probably take some stem cuttings. They recommend "half-ripe", that is in between green/soft, and hard/brown. How do you usually propagate your gardenias?
Jan ~ I would think that bamboo would be easy to start as they are very difficult to eradicate if you do not want them, especially in Florida. I suppose it would be important to know what kind of bamboo it is as there are many different kinds. Still, I found out one year, the hard way, they must be kept moist.
According to the book, "How to Grow Almost Anything", by Stanley Shuler....
"Divide plants in spring or early fall in sun or light shade in average soil that is well-drained. Plant running types in containers or restricted garden pockets unless you want a forest. Water well until established. Fertilize in spring, especially if plants are container grown. cut excess canes when young; remove old canes in winter."
Hope this helps.
Here is another illustration...
I am sorry, but I am too busy to start a new thread for every question I have for specific people who are all here on one list. If that is the way we are required to do this I am leaving Daves Garden, The Plant Scout and the Market Place.
I have been quiet throughout this entire issue but this is the straw that broke this old camels back. I will not be told what to write , where to write it and how to write it when I am here for information and enjoyment of the company of my friends and peers.
There are other places to be and I was here for many years and I was loyal throughout but this is too much. We are not children and should not be treated as such. Although at times we act very immature, those times are very few and far between. I apologize if any of you think I am out of line. I am just completely out of patience. Good Night. If I am not thrown off DG by tomorrow, I may get an opportunity to say hello to you all as usual in the morning.
Huh?
I guess I should go back and read the old thread so I can figure out what you are talking about. I didn't realize there was editorial censorship on DG.
"For Gardeners . . . by gardeners." Isn't that the tagline? Holy Crap it's right up there at the top of this page. :/
It ain't government for the people by the people either. Just take a look at Bohner and Reid.
Anyway. Back to apathy for me. It's when I do my best work.
Loveyou all - I do have some tropical hibiscus I've been trying to start cuttings from with no success. This is my PROPAGATION question.
Thanks.
A.
Well we can move to the back porch or welcome mat etc.... for chatter and keep the propagation here. To me propagation is propagation, hard wood cuttings, soft wood, various methods....
Plant propagation is the process of creating new plants from a variety of sources: seeds, cuttings, bulbs and other plant parts. Plant propagation can also refer to the artificial or natural dispersal of plants. We have always discussed more on method than on specific plants. So I think we are OK to remain the way we have been for over 2 years. Just have to stop the banter.
I agree we need to move our chat to the parking lot and that will not be difficult to do.
But I would like to wait for Dave to return which should be soon.
I know the other threads on propagation are per species.
Let's all keep cool and wait for Dave to return. Then we will do what we have to do.
Thank you all for your help in this matter. Sharon.
We have always discussed many different methods of propagation. Not necessarily specific plants but methods.
Who said this..."geriatric, apoplectic old men on roller skates with a propensity for procrastination and sloth?" I think they were referring to the people in Washington....
They are younger and feistier than ever, but still it remains the same. I am with you on this Amanda. Sinking into apathy....
Jan / meadowyck - if you're still here -
you said in Post #8730365
>> I would like to try and propagate some bamboo.
I put some links and my simplistic ideas in a new thread:
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1204358/
Basically, 'dig up part of a clump and plant it somewhere else'. trim & water well. Expect it to take 3-5 years to get big.
Here's a somewhat technical article I found online:
http://www.inbar.int/publication/txt/tr05/a5-2.htm
Here's a thread from this forum, with several links at the end: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/23409/
Here is what i thought was the best advice from that thread:
hcmcdole said:
A small division with some roots is very effective. If you get a division with a big emerging culm, the culm will usually blacken and die but new shoots will eventually emerge. DO keep it contained if it is running bamboo.
I would do division on a clumping bamboo as well since the success is probably close to 100%.
And there is a DG forum for "Grasses and Bamboo" but it's not very lively.
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/f/gab/all/
Corey
Good Morning all you naughty people. I am still here as you can see. I guess my words of annoyance just went bouncing. But, in the meantiime, I need to get down to work.
As you can see, I am not starting a new thread because you would never find or bother with it if I did. This question is only for one person on this list and only she can give me the answer.
Evelyn, this is for you sweet lady. My Vicary Golden Privets were planted together in this pot 9/23/10. I have had them together and I think it is time to let them spread out and grow. What size pot should I put them in. 6 or 8 inch. I could go smaller and if they were gardenia cuttings I would only do a 5 of 6 inch so their roots could get stronger rather than spreading out. Since these are still growing, you tell me. This is my first encounter with these little darlings, thanks to you.
Thanks for the help. I am off to town for supplies.
I am not sure if this is permissible, but I wanted to say
'GOOD MORNING MY DEAR FRIENDS. PRAYERS FOR DAVE'
See you later.
Hi everyone, I have missed you all. Let me know where we all go if you will.
Thanks, Linda
OFF TOPIC:
I would like to go to a bar, but you are all too far flung to find me there.
I think it's fair to be able to make comments here about where the next thread for "chatter" will be as there is no other way to communicate such information in an efficient manner so that everyone who cares to follow the group (wherever that may be) will be able to find it.
As such, when I post regarding anything other than PROPAGATION, I will, at the very top of my post, write "OFF TOPIC."
I think that members of administration would agree that this is reasonable use of the thread without prolonged discussion of matters not related to PROPAGATION.
If members of administration think that this is unreasonable or an abuse of the PROPAGATION thread, I trust I will be so advised.
I am not familiar with the many forums on DG where "chatter" occurs and would not feel comfortable just landing on one like Dorothy's house in the Wizard of Oz. There is the back porch, front porch, swing, coffee time, parking lot, garage, etc. Does anyone have a feel for the most appropriate place to start a chatter thread?
I saw the posts above mention "parking lot." If Sharon is willing, as she started this new thread in Pughbear's absence, to begin a new thread in the other forum, perhaps we may avoid the pains of being OFF TOPIC for any prolonged period and carry on in a fashion as we did before.
Just my $0.02, for what it's worth.
A.
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Amanda, I completely agree with you. I think one of the reasons this group has remained together and worked well together until the unfortunate situation came up is we all came here for one reason.........our love for gardening and plants.
You can not be rude and throw people off, by the same token, look what happened. This brings me to my problem with moving to a General Discussion Group. As you know the problem between the two ladies in question started in one of those discussion groups for depression. So we start our own chatter group, and we are not permitted to say go away to people we do not want, no matter what we call it on the general discussion forums, we could attract some real problems out there.
That did not happen on our thread because we knew people coming in wanted to talk propagation and we warned everyone that came in how we get off topic and they are welcome to stay but do not complain if we talk about the weather, our families or whatever. We warned Katie and RubyW and they were both aware of our chatter.They took part and enjoyed it. But, we were not aware of their history.
We have no way on a General Discussion Forum or Parking Lot Forum of knowing what we are getting if someone comes in we do not know. Now, that is my two cents about where this chatter group is located. Why can't we do as Amanda says and just stay on our propagation forum thread and put Off Topic at the top if in fact we are off topic.
We all have our reasons for joining Dave in the beginning. I wanted to learn from him and the people on the list. I had questions about propagation and they were a very warm and caring group. The reason we are all here on DG is we have a common interest and love. Our Gardens and our plants. We are not a group of misfits for God Sake and I am particular who I spend my time with and share my stories with. If I wanted to share my life with the world I would go to You Tube.
No matter what it was that brought us together, we are here now and we are staying together, be it here on DG or wherever. I prefer staying here if we are treated as adults.
I have no problem with respect and comments from Administration, but to close us down without even talking privately to some of us who were really caught up in this just did not seem right and I do not want that to happen again. Therefore, please be careful where we open our chatter thread. I personally do not want to go through this again. I am still very annoyed and disappointed in the way this was handled.
I AM SOOOOOOO CONFUSEDSince this is the only place I visit. Some one let me know what is going on, please, Lee
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They got tired of Thread Police In the "Pacific Northwest Gardening Discussion Forum".
So they started a thread called "Apropos of Nothing" with this disclaimer on top:
"This thread can't be derailed because there's no topic. HA!"
It's up to volume 22 and is almost the only thread with traffic on that forum. "Everyone hangs out there".
It serves the purpose of the subscribers who use it, thoguh it is true that someone searching that forum, seeking to use rather than contribute to it, can only find info to the extent that DG has a good forum-search feature.
The only "burden" on drive-by users is that they might have to post a question (either in the 'everything' thread or in a new thread), or search the bodies of threads, instead of being able to search thread titles.
Now that I think about it, there IS NO DG forum-search feature that searches only thread titles! So what long-term advantage is there, really, to a separate thread for every question? Only for those that page through many pages of thread titles to pursue an interest back through years of posts. Every time I've done that, people express amazement that anyone "resurected" a thread more than a few months old.
Besdies, especially for non-contributin g users, it is easier to just post a question, and the regulars can tell them about past threads, usually with some info that makes the thread easier to find.
Maybe I should learn to use tags.
Good afternoon: I go for preop tomorrow and surgury on thursday.
I try to keep everything on topic as much as possible. I felt the off topic banter let us know each other better. I agree topic should be kept to so I am at a quandry as to how to do both. I have not read the posts before now because of my issue with concentration/pain but will most likely get caught up by monday and get this all figuired out. I will have more to chat about on plants come monday also
Have a great week
Dave
NOTICE OFF TOPIC.
I heard from Dave and told him we are here waiting for him to come back and say hi when he feels better. I am hoping he does that before he goes for his procedure in a few days.
Say a prayer for our boy, please. We need to have him back at the helm.
Dave beat me back here. He is one speedy guy.
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YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, HE IS BACK. LOVE YOU KID. WE WILL BE WITH YOU EVERY MINUTE.
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Thinking of you, Dave. Will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.
A.
Good luck Dave!
(Maybe, to keep the admins happy, we should dutifully create some "on-topic" threads with nerdy titles.)
Corey
OK Dave, when you get back on Monday you can start your next thread. Since I really know nothing about Roman Numerals, I had no idea what number to give your new thread. I think that is one of the things they tried to teach me in high school that I thought I would never use. So Dave, take care and we will hold down the fort until you return.
I have seed pods on Moy Grande Hardy hibiscus. Suppose to be sterile. I am going on Hibiscus forum. Being sterile I thought that meant they would not produce seed pods. Maybe it means the seeds will not germinate. I will find out and let you all know.
Also harvested more rain lily seeds. Vegas appears to be very fertile this year.
Sharon.
Cross post but I am not cross. Good idea Corey. Let's wait foe Dave. Sharon.
Listen, Terry told me that the way this was suppose to be done was that, take the first few posts on this thread. She said that JB should start a new thread to talk about hydrangeas; Then Jan wants bamboo. She should start a new thread to talk about bamboo.
In other words, just because each one is about propagation, doesn't mean you can keep them all in this one thread. You have to divide each subject, i.e. hydrangeas, bamboo, etc. to separate threads.
Corey, I used to lurk, and once in a while join in, on that appropo thread. And you are right Corey, it worked. Ok, it was under Pacific NW - - - - thread. Right? That was the way around the rules I guess.
There you go.
Lee, just hang in there and stick with us. We will not lose you. Promise. Jeanette
Jan, I did start a "propagating bamboo" thread in this forum, but after collecting all the links, I guess I forgot to put one here!
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1204358/
Seven views, no replies.
This was the most technical link:
http://www.inbar.int/publication/txt/tr05/a5-2.htm
Here's a good sketch: http://www.bamboo.org/images/DividingBamboo.GIF
and a FAQ on transplanting: http://www.bamboo.org/FAQ.html#HowDoITransplantBamboo
Corey
Corey, I was only using yours as an example. Not saying you didn't. Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression.
Ok, here is the thread Corey cited as an example. I think you all need to take a look at it.
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/f/region_pnw/all/ It is the 2nd or 3rd thread down.
I wrote to Sharon, can't remember her DG name, and asked her for information on how and why they set it up. Will get back to you all if she does, and, you are interested.
Jen
Don't get excited JB, I edited this to change the spelling on something. Jen
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No prob. I had intended to post a link here - that was my only reason for starting the other thread.
Then forgot the link!
To keep it on-topic: this is about how to propagate THREADS.
Corey
Hi all... just checking in to say thanks for providing the link to the new thread. Nancy
I frequent the vegetable gardening forum.
There was a question about tomatoes - by Jeanette now that I think about it. We all weighed in on her tomato problem, and then somehow we got to talking about eggplant.
So the person who started the tomato thread went and started an eggplant thread (or was it okra?).
In any event, they do all the blathering they want in individual threads about their different vegetables. It is a little easier to find things. Is Dave's thread the only one in the propagation forum? I didn't think so, but we should be so flattered to think that our opinions matter so much.
A.
They got tired of Thread Police In the "Pacific Northwest Gardening Discussion Forum".
So they started a thread called "Apropos of Nothing" with this disclaimer on top:
"This thread can't be derailed because there's no topic. HA!"
It's up to volume 22 and is almost the only thread with traffic on that forum. "Everyone hangs out there".
The only "burden" on drive-by users is that they might have to post a question (either in the 'everything' thread or in a new thread), or search the bodies of threads, instead of being able to search thread titles.
Now that I think about it, there IS NO DG forum-search feature that searches only thread titles! So what long-term advantage is there, really, to a separate thread for every question? Only for those that page through many pages of thread titles to pursue an interest back through years of posts. Every time I've done that, people express amazement that anyone "resurected" a thread more than a few months old.
Terry,
Is is it possible to go into, say our thread, and type in hydrangea in the search feature, and have that one by JB come up? If that is possible, then when someone had read about the question she had asked Dave, it came up for the "new person", I would think that would be a good feature and would not have to have it's own "thread".
Isn't it funny that the series threads continue to be interesting while the specialty threads fade away. That is because once you get the information you need there is no reason to beat a dead horse. What more information do the members need for that plant? You can only say so much about any one plant.
How do you handle a question of propagation for a plant that is propagated by rhizomes? Now if that doesn't bring up other flowers or plants then the questioner or the rest are very ignorant.
All I am saying is that it is very difficult to have a thread about a specific plant or shrub and have that thread continue past a half a dozen posts.
Jeanette
Whoops, not quite done yet.
"Our experience has been that when series-type threads begin in a forum, the rest of the forum activity may be overshadowed by that group and those threads and everything else eventually fades away. Anyone who sticks their head into the forum sees a close-knit group interacting in what is essentially a private chat room. That makes it pretty difficult for anyone new to a) figure out why the forum's main topic is nowhere to be found; and b) join in the discussion unless they're a very assertive person."
Terry, I don't consider Nancy a real pushy person and she just joined our group about 2 weeks ago. And Amanda came around the same time. Maybe she is VERY pushy, LOL, but she joined our group also. So, in the last couple of weeks, we have gotten 2 new members. They are both a trip. Not necessarily the same type of people, but we welcomed both and they lead me to believe they enjoyed the group.
Guess what I am saying is, "What's your problem?" There are many other sites, threads, that people can go to if they are not comfortable with ours. I look around and don't feel I want to join EVERY thread. Why do we have to please everyone?
Ok, I'm done. Jeanette
I always thought it was up to the person who started the thread to police weather or not the subjects have strayed too far off the path or to let it go that way if they chose to let it.
I have been on several of these long on going threads and several have been shut down because of a row with a couple of people that started after a long time running. People do mimick real life on these threads. I don't think we need to be watched, just warned that the negative attitudes not be allowed to vent on the thread and bring everyone into a personal issue.
Sometimes it just turns out that way though because there is a larger group of friends, people tend to want their friends to know what is going on in their lives. It can make an issue among thread friends unwittingly.
still OFF TOPIC
I am not THAT pushy. I just enjoyed the banter between a group of friends - yes - I did feel a bit like I was looking into a window of somebody's house BUT I had a propagation question and I did ask. In fact, I have had a few propagation questions which have been asked and answered.
I was unaware of actual animosity if it existed on the thread. The good natured and sometimes mocking foul-nature of the ribbing between friends on the thread was entirely apparent to me. I do agree it is up to us to self-police, and/or to ask our venerable leader Dave to do so if there are "issues." But for his health issues which have kept him from doing so, he seems to be the stable guiding force here.
It seems from an administrative perspective that Terry is looking for a file-cabinet system where one can go for durable proof of the existence of order in the universe. There can be order in chaos, but perhaps not here if there is no way to search individual threads for information. I agree, it is difficult to find information that may be posted unless it is on a "sticky" thread at the top of any forum.
I joined DG in 2006 but only to access plantfiles, I think. I became a paying member just this year in March, and I have enjoyed the camaraderie I have found online thru CHATTER. Without the chatter, there is no "community."
Why not just start an OFF TOPIC thread in the propagation forum and if people have questions (ie. newbees) THEY are the ones who need to post a new thread seeking answers. I came into the thread "through my own experience xxxxxiixiv" knowing full well that it was an ongoing thread that ran for pages and pages. I have not elbowed my way into it, but every now and then I comment. I have made friends. It was my decision to stick with it and continue to read the OFF TOPIC CHATTER. This was also after I had my propagation questions asked and answered. If someone doesn't like the thread, the people on the thread, or the CHATTER, they don't have to join or stick around.
I think this whole thing is absurd.
Terry - how can it be that Dave/Pughbear has had an ongoing thread for XXXIIIIIIVVVVIX pages and you are only just NOW deciding that it is time for his thread to be terminated?
It makes absolutely no sense.
Still only giving ya'll my $0.02. I will not SEE yours, Jeanette or raise it either. :P
A.
