Dany's garden # 3

Dany, your SOH from Takii is amazing!!!!!

Dany - I have to agree with Eliz! I, too, love your SOH. I had a SOH that I recently grew that had the white throat. Pretty, but I really like yours!!! Is the color on yours more of a red and not dark pink? (Your SOH is another seed I would love to trade with you for!)

In reply to ...
"Question:
This shows that a flower is able to transmit?
I think "Asagow " are a little outside the rules of the genetic.I would say that this flower sends 60% of its own difference and 40% of all types of flowers that this cultivar is able to produce.
Those who are used to make crosses give an opinion, please."

I think that the genetics on these vines are harder to pinpoint. What characteristic will be transmitted ... is never predictable in my experience. I can look at a bloom and envision a cross, but I've rarely gotten what I had in mind when growing out an F1. But ... most of the time the hybrid bloom is more unique and lovely than I could have imagined.

To self-pollinate or to cross... Why not do both? Most of the blooms produce enough pollen for both in my experience.

As far as the 60/40 percentage. I don't know. I have grown out the crosses from the original parents to LYK for 3 years now. The F1 blooms of LYK have mostly taken on the pollen parent's genes. The only thing that I am seeing from LYK is the blizzard pattern. And the size of the bloom is also affected. The bloom size is smaller like that of LYK. It has the Youjiro gene which it is my understanding is a cross between an I. purpurea and an I. nil. So the plot thickens when crossing any Youjiro genes with other cultivars.

I think others here more qualified in crossing will tell you that they try to isolate "SPECIFIC" characteristics in blooms by self-pollinating them and then tagging them and then growing out the next generation of seed. I've heard it can take 3 or more grow-outs to determine if a hybrid is stable. I haven't done that, so I can only assume...

And this my friend, is what makes crossing these beauties so delightful! The suspense is never-ending as to what you might get in any hybrid JMG vine! And the results are almost always outstanding! :-)

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Dany - I wanted to compliment your posted blooms:

This one: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=6901045 I absolutely love the white border on this cultivar. I haven't seen that before. Very nice one from Joseph! :-)

This one seems confused about what it really wants to be! LOL! But it is remarkable and quite beautiful! http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=6901142

This one: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=6901161 Has very wide and definite white spokes and I agree with you that it is a perfect one for use in crosses because of that trait! I also like the shape of the bloom. Is the flower small?

This one is two-faced! LOL! Beautiful as well! http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=6901190

So now you are dreaming of crosses while you sleep? LOL! Isn't that a sign of a genius in the making? Perhaps you will create something that has never been done before! With your determination and all the hard work that you are doing, I would not be surprised one bit to see what lovely hybrids you come up with next year from all the crosses you made this year. I hope you have a good tracking system for all these crosses you are doing. It's going to be complicated I would imagine...

Scarlett O ' Hara - The Takii company

Dany! Amazing! Tube is red and it looks red! No fuchsia; it's the real SOH!!!

WHOOP WHOOP I thought that one has been lost forever! Now everyone can grow SOH!!!

I thought the real SOH had been lost forever; I am going to try the Takii Company to compare to the "forms" of SOH I have that all seem variable.

Becky your Post #6901353 is very informative; knowledge must really rub off on this forum; where do you learn all of this? I just go mad with the brush and hope for the best.

This one http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=6901190 is very easy to identify and distinctive; I am in awe!!

Dany have you thought about using excel for all your cross'?

You and Gerris2 have produced some excellent threads that will hopefully get me up and running with more blooms! (thanks again Gerris for the tips and photos of the pots!!!)

Dany, I have yet to try hand-crosspollination activities, but will give it a go some day.

Rareseedsman, thanks for your kind words. I'll be experimenting with small containers and trying to recreate the trellis structures I saw in Japan sometime in the future.

Joseph

Dany, this one here: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=6883814


I would love to trade you for my Miko No Mai... let me know..
Your grow outs are fantastic.. keep them coming and keep doing what ever it is you do..

Thank you all for your comments.

Debra, it's true this is a flower jewelry, it is only the 4 th. flower,the plant is in container therefore,I hope will produce pure seeds.

As white dotted blue,
I 've First Frost (see photo) but has not yet flowered. This cultivar has yellow leaves, they are always slow to bloom and do not like direct sunlight.

Ray, the real SOH , I hope so .
Someday I will post a Mix pic with all the SOH I have.
Karen ( Gardener2005 ) have SOH pur too .

Here is First Frost

ooooo speckles!

Dany - Your First Frost is lovely! It looks like a large bloom? If so, it is exceptional!

rareseedman - Some of the "knowledge" I got from this forum. I've been on here for about 3 years now. A lot of people have shared their knowledge and experience. But mostly I learned by hands-on. I hand-pollinate almost ALL of my current grow-out of blooms. I haven't done as many crosses this year. I think it is because what I was growing was so pretty, that I wanted to keep them true ... to grow again as well as share with everyone. Of course, that doesn't mean that the bees or hummingbird didn't do some crossing for me! LOL! I do what you do ... by just dusting the artist paint brush around very gently. In most cases I get fertilization. But I have found on the blooms that are crossed for generations ... fertilization is more of a challenge. I think the Diluted Fuji no Muraski is such a bloom (vine). Very few seed pods vs all the flowers that vine produced. A bit disappointing at times... but I am not defeated yet! LOL! I am growing another seed and it will be grown indoors. Perhaps I will have better luck indoors than I have had outdoors. :-) Finger's crossed! XXX

Dany, First Frost is a beauty.

Becky,
You can fix your beautiful Dilued Fuji No Muraski with a Yaguruma Middle Blue of Karen (Gardener2005). This cultivar can increase fertility without changing the look of your future flowers.I think it's important to keep the blue color and not purple. Too much purple in the MG!
Only cultivars who have medium or high fertility are intended to continue.
Here is Yaguruma flowers

Morning rain!
Today no pollination.

It looks like a President Bush, but has a star and large curly leaves.

A new, with a rare delicate color.

Here a plant that has more than10ft. high and not a single flower!
lack of light?
In front of him : Canna Musifolia.

This is not a new variety but there is somewhere a flower " guzzler "

An other problem.
This lack of Phosphorus and Magnesium?

Perfect!

Dany I cannot believe my own eyes they all fantastic, my interest has just jumped though the roof!
My lowly pearly gates is at the top of It's trellis now but no flower yet. I'm bursting with excitement for next season,
I've so much to learn in the meantime.

Thanks

Jon

Jon, you can also grow a vine in a small container indoors during the winter, if you have a window that receives natural light which can also be augmented by using a lamp. Ipomoea nil flowers naturally when daylength becomes less over time, and these light conditions occur from now on through the winter. See the attached photo of a Blue Silk plant I grew indoors a few years ago; it made many flowers and I got a nice batch of seeds from the plant. It makes winter go by quickly too by being distracted by a flowering plant to see and care for.

Joseph

Thanks Joseph I have just the place I use it to over winter my tropical hibiscus, winter is short here only around ten weeks on the Pacific side of Japan.

Jon

Here is the culprit.

Dany - Yaguruma Middle Blue of Karen (Gardener2005) ... lovely blooms! Yes, I see that it does have a similar gene for the bloom pattern. Hers has very fertile blooms? Hmmm ... interesting! :-)

Nice P. Bush! I also like the photo directly under it! Pretty lavender color with white spokes on that one! Love the look of rain drops on the petals. Unfortunately, rain does put a damper on pollination. :-(

Your non-blooming vines could be either not enough light or fertilizer. And the yellow leaves ... are they at the bottom of the vine? If so, it might just be aging leaves that are dying. I always see that on the bottom of my vines as they age...

I get a similiar caterpillars on my blooms, too. Sometimes it is a beetle larvae. They sure make a mess of the blooms! When I find them, those insects get tossed over my fence! LOL! I don't like killing anything if at all possible...

Your Sunflower and Hibiscus are quite lovely! Is it a Teddy Bear Sunflower?

Jon - Next season you'll have some great vines to enjoy! But I do agree with Joseph ... give indoor winter gardening a try! I had a lot of success doing that myself last winter. Expect seeds from me soon! :-) I'll send you some interesting and fun JMG I. nil seeds to try! :-) Ten weeks of winter! Sounds like the winters I have here in Florida! I wonder if our climates are similiar? What are your high and low temps during a year?

Hi Becky, thank you. Winter temps, frost is quite rare min about -2c snow is also rare here on the Pacific side
of Japan. summer high 30-38c and humid. our winter is dry and sunny as is the spring, mid June brings the
rainy season for a month or so, mid July - mid September hot and humid then come the second rains and
typhoons. October is cooler and very pleasant as is November, December day temps between 15-20c
January-February day temp 10c. March, April and May are my favorite months.
Our climate seems to be changing here I think 20years will see it a tropical zone.
I will certainly try to give the winter gardening a go but Akie is due to have the baby in January so I don't
know how much time I;ll get, Lol

Jon

Hi Jon, could you give your temps in farenheit for me? ( I can't spell it but I know what I mean, LOL)
Dany, I love your blooms, I have some long vines, the blooms are way up at the very very top tho..

What! Even more translations! 38.5c = around 100f, -2c around 29f, 21c =70f exactly. Sorry I forgot your still
imperial. Hey I have made a breakthrough today, I managed to phone a large seed company in Yokohama
and they are sending me this years asagao catalogue, now I will have the kanji I need to help with my research.

Jon

Thanks so much, Jon.... wow a catalogue! I will be glad to put in some orders! LOL

Debra, here's a nifty conversion aid - http://www.onlineconversion.com/

Jon - wonderful about the asagao catalog

Dany - I enjoy very much your sharing the possibilities of your crosses with us

karen

Jon - Your temps, climate, and seasons sound very similiar to mine. Do you have high humidity there or is the air drier? Good climate for growing plants!!!

What is kanji? And what kind of research are you doing regarding it?

You'll be sorry you mentioned getting an asagao catalog on this forum!!! LOL!

I truly believe that the collective group here on the MG Forum just about have the Japanese cultivars covered except for the newer cultivars that come out year to year. I share/trade seeds and most others here do, too.

Dany managed to get his hands on some really lovely but rare new I. nil seeds this year! He has a good connection in Japan! :-) I think many here on the forum are hoping he will do some seed trading with us at the end of season. :-)

And Dany is doing what I love to do ... cross cultivars to see what you can create! :-) :-)

Jon - Kanji - Chinese characters used in Japanese writing? I am sure it is more ...

Types of Kanji: by category
6.1 Shōkei-moji
6.2 Shiji-moji
6.3 Kaii-moji
6.4 Keisei-moji
6.5 Tenchū-moji
6.6 Kasha

I just HAD to look it up! LOL ;-)

Yes Becky and that is precisely why kanji is so difficult to read! LOL
Special note to others on this forum. Regretfully I neither have the time or the recources to purchase on behalf of others.The catalogue is purely for me to translate the Japanese names of MGs into English.

Jon

Jon,
For you it's not better an online shop like that ?
http://directory.rakuten.co.jp/rms/sd/directory/vc?s=1&tz=304154&v=2&p=0&f=0&o=4&oid=000&k=0

Here is a very beautiful bloom ( see 3 - 4 o'clock ), but as you can see the pistil is of poor quality.
But I had 6 stamens . 2 for sister flowers lilacs and 4 crosses with other cultivars.

I have a lot of Peony types ( blue, purple and red )
It's a " one way tichet " cultivar , they don't anything to produce seeds .
Here are 3 pics.

The red with picotee.

In search of stamens or pistil !!!!!!!!!!!!!

A other new from today : Clematite type with yellow foliage.

Dany - This one is quite interesting! http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=6914017 I can see the flecks of white on the petal just above the blue! That's really cool!

Those peony blooms are almost impossible to get seeds from. I think what you need is for any single petal blooms on those vines to be self-pollinated. Have they produced any singles on any of those peony vines?

I wonder if fertility is seasonal with many cultivars of JMGs? I say that because some vines seem more fertile as the cooler weather and the diminishing hours of sunlight happen, where others seem to be less fertile almost like the vine is shutting down in growth. It is all such a mystery!

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how sad that the peony-type of MG does not produce seeds. Also love your red with picotee.

For anyone interested in saving or producing seed of morning glories like the peony MGs that Dany posted above, this might be useful.

The peony MGs that Dany has pictured above are demono mutant asagaos, ( - http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=6914110 ) and evr has posted the method of producing their seeds, as well as lists for both demono and masaki mutant cultivars here: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1012211/ . These seeds are not produced by the self-pollination of single blooms, and all these demono and masaki mutants are cultivars of Ipomoea nil.

Joseph has presented some great threads relating to mutant asagaos here -
-- http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1020471/ and here -
-- http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1020075/

Adding my thanks to the others above for sharing these gorgeous pics.

Hope this is helpful -

Karen


This message was edited Aug 13, 2009 11:38 AM

Thanks for the information and links, Karen.

Dany - Is your yellow I. nil a named cultivar? I am assuming it originated in Japan?