Time for a new thread , I try to put the address of the first HERBA JAPONICA - it don't work Help !
Plants from Japanese Exhibitions .
How can they produce such a large blooms ?
* it's genetic
* it's cutting - only few bud stay on the plant .
* it's because they are young plants.
* it's because plants are just coming out a warm greenhouse .
* it's a fertization method - booster etc....
* it's all that 5 points
* it's other. ( the air in Japan - global warming ... )
Pics coming from Japan , not too large blooms but so pretty !
an other
Dany,
These Morning Glories look very much like my George Strait MG. I did do a trade year before last with a person in Japan that does sell on Yahoo Japan and sent her many of these seeds, as well as a couple of my Gray MGs and quite a few HIGEs.
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=6172574
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=6172576
Emma
Another of George Strait
Emma , the world is so small sometime !
If someboddy want to get this Dark Brown Chocolate with variegated foliage I can buy for him .Now on Yahoo-Japan they are 3 items of 10 seeds for 500 Yens ( 5,55 $ ) + 20% for Thomas's service + 10% bank - shipping cost .Total 650 Yens.
I will send the link of Thomas when I finish to buy.Yesterday a other personne get the item I'm looking for .50 seeds of mix , the first price was 100 Yens and I say to Nicolas we go until 800 Yens and if we don't win now , next week the item will come back .This afternoon he came back and I try to buy it .
When I send to Nicolas the list ( address of each item in Japanese ) I send him by paypal 50 % of the total auctions - during the process I can increase the auctions . The all things " buy it now " you can buy . If you find an other address - a compagny or a private people , it work - you send Nicolas the links and he pay for you ( electronic , tea , everything ... )
Next week he will send me 1 kg. box of seeds for him it's no problem he use the send to Europe boxes of 10 kg.I buy 32 packs of original seeds from Sakata or takii compagny and I pay 46 $ , in US it will cost 384 $.
Dany
previous Herba Japonica thread #1 here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/947939/
Dany when you start the new thread in the series,follow these 2 steps:
1) 1st start the new thread and add the address link to the previous thread near the top post and submit it
2) next add the address link for the new thread into the lower post of the previous thread
Thanks for your interesting contributions...
TTY,...
Ron
Thanks Ron !
I find something interesting , but I don't know - it's a shop ?
I will ask Nicolat , I need the 2009 catalogue !
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcharchans-home.pussycat.jp%2Fcatalog2006.htm&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0=
Dany - The site you linked to is the site of a private person who posts that she likes pets (cat,dog and aquarium), gardening and music...
homepage
http://64.233.161.132/translate_c?hl=fr&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://charchans-home.pussycat.jp/entrance.htm&prev=_t&usg=ALkJrhhYV5Gei3YDjQkD0ikNFem_23DPww
her favorite music links
http://64.233.161.132/translate_c?hl=fr&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://charchans-home.pussycat.jp/links.htm&prev=_t&usg=ALkJrhhrOe08mFz8T50jMk3YPkIn_Fi8Cw
site map
http://64.233.161.132/translate_c?hl=fr&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://charchans-home.pussycat.jp/newpage58.htm&prev=_t&usg=ALkJrhhHUjubkDOjp8zQct4G2311cNW8uA
bbs
http://64.233.161.132/translate_c?hl=fr&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://www1.rocketbbs.com/110/jalan.html&prev=_t&usg=ALkJrhhn0RzXd4EPk1MytEE-L4DkbIB0iw
http://64.233.161.132/translate_c?hl=fr&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://www4.rocketbbs.com/141/charmama.html&prev=_t&usg=ALkJrhhbokSF2Hoz30AALNwBSA1p_vPXOQ
chat
http://64.233.161.132/translate_c?hl=fr&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://9017.teacup.com/charchanmama/chat&prev=_t&usg=ALkJrhg8YZCJYzeLwgynwEoLIktkffT9Ww
email message
http://64.233.161.132/translate_c?hl=fr&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://caramel.candybox.to/charmama/postmail/postmail.php&prev=_t&usg=ALkJrhjTrstIwiCcpjRWBlPDwAtopi4Cfg
I like the following MG's that she posted from previous years
007,111,116,202 and 258
TTY,...
Ron
This message was edited Feb 23, 2009 8:02 AM
wow love those JMG just amazing the size of those blooms when is global warming coming my way to thaw me out of this deep freeze
mona
Mona , here the night are 14 ° F not really spring!
Here are some MG seeds shops from Japan :
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmitsuwastyle.com%2Fshopping%2Fseed%2Findex.html&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0=
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdirectory.rakuten.co.jp%2Frms%2Fsd%2Fdirectory%2Fvc%3Fs%3D1%26tz%3D304154%26v%3D2%26p%3D0%26f%3D0%26o%3D4%26oid%3D000%26k%3D0&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0=
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fn-nagisa.org%2Frakuten%2Flist%2F%25E8%25A5%25BF%25E6%25B4%258B%2B%25E6%259C%259D%25E9%25A1%2594.html&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0=
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tabi-club.com%2Fshop%2Flist%2F304154%2F&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0=
Other :
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rakuten.co.jp%2Finterface%2F167664%2F171068%2F&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0=
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.engeinavi.jp%2Fcart%2Fgoodslist.cgi%3Fin_kate%3D300%26in_start%3D340%26max%3D&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0=
and an other with hight quality MG ,but I'm still waiting the price-list.
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fclivia.hp.infoseek.co.jp%2Fasagao%2F&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0=
Sakamoto compagny sell plants of Ipomoea Nil
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rakuten.co.jp%2Fgardensk%2F430279%2F430280%2F435037%2F436368%2F%231429227&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0=
And they have 3 types of Ipomoea Indica - SO INTERESTING !
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rakuten.co.jp%2Fgardensk%2F430279%2F430280%2F435037%2F493155%2F%23645946&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0=
Indica White, Pink and Blue
today its still -16 C freezing windy gray and another ugly day
it seems that I have been cold forever lol
well since the first week of november that is when the snow started falling and it has not stopped since and still another month at the least
Dany - The white and pink I.indica are not yet available in the US...it would be good if there was someway to get those rare colored indica's...
TTY,...
Ron
not available in canada either
we just seem to get the old regular ones every year getting tired of it that is why i went on ebay and got one of every different ones I could get I have a five foot chainlink fence around the pool area its about 160 of fence lots of room for MG
This message was edited Feb 25, 2009 2:56 PM
nice one scicciarella :-)
I don't want to import plants from Japan ( seeds OK ) , but I regret !
Here is a Japan forum of Hight level !
I've some answers to my first questions : Why the exhibition blooms are so large ?
They talk about biploid, tetraploid and polyploid coming from University's research and Colchicin treatments.
Translation give me headache.
They say that in the futur the transation will be so efficient that little languages never will disappear any more , I think that little languages will disappear because in the futur 2/3 of the population of the world will live in large cities.
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbbs2.sekkaku.net%2Fbbs%2F%3Fid%3Dcojicoji%26mode%3Dres%26log%3D1006&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0=
Polyploid plants may be researched in laboratory settings,but they are not routinely used in asagao shows...
Ipomoea generally does not do well with a polyploid chromosome count and polyploid plants are often sterile...
Here is an extract from the post linked to
"Fortunately, we have grown to colchicine treatment.
The result is complete and the body four times, the flowers seemed to be largely out of the thickness. 2 and 4 in diploid diploid chimeras of 23 cm, flowers are blooming DEMASHITA than others.But whether it was increased in polyploid. I think it's a little解RU and I want to grow next year despite the colchicine treatment.
。 Four species were from the diploid採REMASEN from chimeric採REMASHITA is a lot better next year, if you make MORAERE I would be pending the outcome. (4 in diploid species of the chimera is almost as strong sterility are thinking it might be diploid.) "
There seems to be uncertainty regarding the benefit of any possible polyploidy
"But whether it was increased in polyploid. I think it's a little"
Sterility difficulties
"4 in diploid species of the chimera is almost as strong sterility are thinking it might be diploid."
Here are some posts where I shared on polyploidy previously
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=5684096
The following is an extract from a previous post
The hybridization of Ipomoea quamoclit with Ipomoea coccinea was an unusual and interesting situation...after the usual several thousand attempts under professional quality conditions...a seedpod with viable seeds formed...the initial plants that resulted had twice the usual number of chromosomes >it was a polyploid >Ipomoea x multifida...this intial hybrid produced a polyploid by itself without the application of any known polyploid inducing substance...the first several generations of plants were weak,unhealthy and did not look like they would continue to survive...but some of the seeds collected produced plants that eventually stabilized and are the hybrid known as Ipomoea sloteri...
Polyploids can occur naturally or be induced by various chemicals...some polyploids exhibit increased vigor and other enhanced features,while other polyploids exhibit various dysfunctions and do not survive...some families of plants tend to have a higher number of species that thrive better with a polyploid chromosome number than other families...Convolvulaceae has relatively very few species that have thrived with a polyploid chromosome count...Ipomoea sloteri and Ipomoea batatas are the noteworthy exceptions...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyploidy
http://waynesword.palomar.edu/hybrids1.htm
The above 2 paragraphs are an extract from a previous post here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=2840807
The very large blooms seen in asagao shows are often so floppy that they would not be able to be displayed without the use of special wire which is used in asagao bonsai...the wire is used to hold up the flowers and to assist the branches to be held in a position to aid in holding up the flowers...the rules for using the wire are that you can use all the support wire that you are able to,as long as the resultant plant 'looks' very natural...
The selection and breeding of Morning Glories for additional ribs and stiffer corollas will enable larger flowers to be upheld without the use of special support wire...
Hope some of the information presented will be helpful...
TTY,...
Ron
that is a lot of info
why dont we just grow them and enjoy them and let the japanese do the work to give us bigger better morning glories since they are so good at it
mona
mona - You asked :
"why dont we just grow them and enjoy them and let the japanese do the work to give us bigger better morning glories since they are so good at it"
The Morning Glory Forum has members with all levels of interest,from beginner to advanced...all are welcome to share in the common threads or to start their own specialized threads for beginner or advanced interest...it's usually a good idea to allow for all levels of interest and related sharing...as details that may be boringly tedious for a beginner who may be looking for light reading over a morning cup of coffee may be fascinating / critical to an advanced enthusiast very interested in working with improvements of various sorts...
Dany had started a thread for photos only and no talking allowed here
Coffee Break
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/929668/
The interest to learn how to prevent unwanted crosses and / or to create intentional improvements by learning to identify the species has gained steady momentum over the years in the Occident which is relatively new to breeding MG's as compared to the Japanese who have been selectively breeding for many centuries...
My particular interest is actually more focused on the many different natural species,but I also enjoy most aspects of the large flowered japanese style I.nil...
Daves created a sister site for those just starting out here
http://www.gardens.com/
and the several beginner forums here including
Beginner Flowers Discussion
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/f/b_flowers/all/
Beginner Gardening Questions Discussion
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/f/b_gardentalk/all/
Some people choose to share about MG's in the more generalized forum for
Vines and Climbers here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/f/climbers/all/
rather than in the forum devoted to exploring all levels of all Morning Glories...many options available to choose from...
Feel free to start your own threads relative to what you want to see or what you do or don't want to discuss...
There is a place for Everyone to enjoy sharing in their own way relative to their specific interests...
TTY,...
Ron
P.S. - You can get an idea of what people are interested in by looking at the thread titles and the questions that people ask...the members who have been interested in MG's for a longer period of time tend to be more interested in relevant 'technical' details...
This message was edited Feb 26, 2009 11:22 AM
actually I compainted about canada only having the boring ones
but thanks for the info are you crossing yours and trying to discover new prettier one
maybe when the girls are older and I have more time I will get into doing some of that for now I have to be happy just growing my flowers since that is all the time I have
thank again for the info
mona
lol I hope in a couple of years there will be more Canadians with interesting mgs.....most of the seeds are coming from American DG members and ebayers, but I think a bit more Canadians are participating, but not frequenting on the MG forum.
Dany sharing these japanese links and services (merci beucoup danny), alot more people will get a chance to buy more interesting cultivars of I. nil.
Anybody planning on buying from japanese vendors and using Nicolas services from our American DG members? Do we have to worry about seed confiscation at customs?
Mona - You can enjoy MG's to suit your own very individualized pace...look at what catches your eye and read what seems relevant...just skip over details that are irrelevant to your present degree of interest...easy enough (!)...you can always return to learn particular details whenever you might be interested and able to do so...
There's usually someone always willing to help with questions related to any degree of interest...
Thanks (!)
TTY,...
Ron
merci beaucoup ont est content d'avoir quelqu'un qui connait bien se genre
ok that is thanks since we newbies need info from pros like you or we will never be able to catch up
my main goal at the moment is to grow the nicest morning glories that I can since I have loved them since I was a kid, it is always exciting for me to grow new ones
canada is way behind on growing vines and such since we have a short growing season, most countries that are into them is also because of the research they have done because of invasive species
This message was edited Mar 22, 2009 1:52 PM
while on ebay I picked up seeds for this baby woodrose and it also is part of the morning glory family and is an everygreen vine perennial
Hawaiian Baby Woodrose (Argyreia nervosa), not to be confused with the Hawaiian woodrose (Merremia tuberosa), is a perennial climbing vine, also known as Elephant Creeper and Woolly Morning Glory. Native to the Indian subcontinent and introduced to numerous areas worldwide, including Hawaii, Africa and the Caribbean, it can be invasive, although is often prized for its aesthetic value. There are two botanical varieties. Argyreia Nervosa var nervosa described here, and Argyrea nervosa var speciosa, as species used in ayurveda, but with little to no psychoactive value.
to those of the two species mentioned above, and the seeds contain the highest concentration of psychoactive compounds in the entire family.
Traditional use of the var. speciosa plant in India usually employed the leaves and roots of the plants, which are not psychoactive, as antiseptic and anti-inflammatory drugs.
[edit] Cultivation
A slight nick should be made away from the germ eye. After this is complete, it is recommended to soak the seeds in water for approximately 24 hours, or at least overnight. If nicked properly, the seeds swell.
Some people place approximately 1 to 2 inches (2 to 4 cm) in rich potting soil with a good drainage system. It is very important during the first stages of growth to keep the soil moist, though well drained, as saturation will cause root rot and possibly rot. It is important to keep the mix well aerated. If the leaves receive too much light they will scorch or wilt; this is also seen with lack of watering.
Arygeria nervosa seedsWithin the first one to two years of growth, this plant grows into a compact bush. After that, some of the leaves will fall off and it will elongate into vines. The vines have been known to grow up to 31 feet (10 m) in length. If consistent water availability is not maintained, these vines may die out before reaching that point and new ones will have to start. The vine will dry out to the closest node during this point. It is very well adapted to a dry tropical climate such as areas near rivers and creeks but with a distinct wet and dry season. It is not naturally found in the Wet tropics.
A 5-gallon bucket is suitable for starting two healthy plants. The massive root system of this plant can cause the plant to become rootbound within the first year or so. For example, a 5-year-old plant in a 15-gallon pot (after only six months) will begin to show signs of becoming rootbound. It is suggested to use a 55-gallon drum or a feeding trough (commonly used for livestock and horses).
The plant can start growing flowers as early as 18 months from seed. For this to occur, there must be sufficient watering and adequate room for the roots to grow; it can take up to five years for the first signs of flowering to become visible.
The seeds will be found in the pods of the dried flowers. These cannot be harvested until completely dried. There are 3 to 5 seeds, commonly 4, per woodrose.
Mona - Noblesse Oblige...well,sometimes...
Argyreia nervosa may put out foliage,but usually doesn't flower in the zones with a short growing season unless you have a greenhouse...
The photo that you posted here
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/scicciarella_1235665528_761.jpg
looks to be an Argyreia species other than nervosa...possibly Argyreia hookeri
Now returning dany's thread back to the topic of Herba Japonica...(!)
TTY,...
Ron
This message was edited Feb 26, 2009 12:00 PM
ok thank you
cant wait to grow this one still waiting on my seeds from emma
WOW today great day I've got my seeds from Japan
irst the " buy it now "
and seeds coming from particular people .More difficult to read but Nicolat has wrote the name of the seller .I see sometime bonus but I don't know what is it .
And from the tea cup shop I've got a bonus of 2 seeds of the gray streaks and 40 seeds of Mix Hybrid.
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2F8030.teacup.com%2Fasagao%2Fshop&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0=
At the end I thinks I will take seeds of Black King .( 2800 Yens )
I've made a first contact with the University Kyushu .
wow!.... well done Danny... :-)
This one on Yahoo japan , is it a native MG ?
Is it the same like this one ?
I think not !
they look like I.hederacea from the pictures Dany...
dany - This one here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=6201523
is
Ipomoea hederacea
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/179655/
This here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=6201556
is
Ipomoea nil
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/Alyssum_1058535247_343.jpg
TTY,...
Ron
Thanks Ron!
That give me an idea of hybrid of Ip. Hederacea ( grand'father of Ip. Nil ) X a large blue Ip. Nil to produce a large Bloom Nil with this particular Blue and yellow foliage.
Here is a " Flickr " made in Japan
http://www.photolibrary.jp/search/?p=%A5%A2%A5%B5%A5%AC%A5%AA&x=34&y=6
Hibiya Park Tokyo 2006
