Best/Worse &What did I learnt today/Chat with Friends #73

Gita,

You seem to be the same no matter where you go. Whether it is on the prayer forum or on this forum, you find that you have to attack people for no reason at all. I had to leave the prayer forum and come here because you would not leave me alone and kept attacking me and now you come here and do the same thing to the others on this thread. Why? What have any of us done to you to cause you to lash out at us like this? If you do not like what is going on on a thread you are always free to unwatch the thread.

Carol, thank you for your kind words about Cedric's visit with us. We really have been having a good time with him. It really is like having a guest visit and wanting to show them a good time. It will be exciting to see the other places he'll be travelling too.

Now, about closing the thread (because I have to put in my two cents too). I think Jeannine has a great suggestion if Betty is feeling overwhelmed. To think that the friendships we have made in this thread can continue only under Betty's guidance is degrading to those friendships. This thread has evolved since it began and will continue to do so. There are people who posted frequently in the past but now post only occasionally - there's nothing wrong with that. We do what fits our needs.

Imagine we're all in a room (because that's basically what this is). If one person leaves for a while everyone else is going to keep talking. Even if the host steps out for a bit, everyone will still keep talking.

When I first started posting on this thread I posted A LOT. Soon I realized that I was spending so much time posting and catching up that I wasn't GARDENING, which was the whole point of me joining DG. I also realized that I was paying more attention to DG than I was to my children (and husband). I have had to cut back (obviously, since I really don't post much now). I love this community, I love my friends here - but I have other things to focus on too.

I have to say that I understand where Gita is coming from. From my own experience, when I first started posting I felt that I needed to acknowledge everyone and post numerous times a day. It soon became overwhelming. I was getting very stressed because there were other things I needed to be doing with that time and those things weren't getting done. In other areas of my life also, I have tended to 'bite off more than I can chew'. It often ends up that I don't enjoy the things I would like to, simply because I've tried to do too much. I've learned to say no. It's still hard sometimes but necessary.

Betty, you obviously need to do what is right for you and I do think that you need a break, especially at this busy time of year. I would hope that the friendships I've been developing over the past almost 2 years are strong enough to stand on their own. I do enjoy having a thread where we can all 'drop by' but it is not fair to think that you need to make sure it happens. Perhaps it should be more of a 'torch passing' than a closing. Besides, anyone is allowed to start threads. It doesn't always have to be on your shoulders.

Very well thought out message Gilli. Wonderfully put.

Ruby

I think Betty is a full grown lady and can make her own choices. I have met Betty and she is one of those wonderful people that have energy abundance. If she chooses to close the thread, then so be it, but it needs to be for the right reasons. Jeanine-thank you for your post. And maybe starting another thread series after the new year is the right thing if that is what BETTY wants...

Please stop bickering, it is solving nothing, but when you write a post that is "straight forward" maybe you need to not hit send right away and have someone else read it-the way it is meant, is NOT always the way it is read. Talking here is not as talking in a room since you can add emotion and inflection to your voice........

Oh Betty-I am up this am-are you there my dear sweet lady??

BTW-that is waht friends do-gab about the highlights and pitfalls in their lives-friends are there to support you during the bad times and celebrate with you in the good-if we are all friends, then we should be able to do so, but maybe I am one of the few that feels this way........

morning all,

betty if you need a break then do so and dont feel bad, we'll still love you just the same!
maby a new thread would be a nice change, i to have felt overwhelmed at times to
and had pushed importaint things in my life on the back shelf.
so i dont post much now, so i will stand behind something new in january..

now as for you gita.....
maby this thread isnt for you!
weather your aware or not, that was pretty vicious and cold hearted
very uncalled for! but i will pray for your soul

Quite the morning isn't it, I'm certainly not offended by anything..didn't post last night becaus I worked out in the yard with Greg till quite late...over 1 foot of snow, had to get the thickness off the roof of the back shed and house deck, pathways..wow, frozen when I came in because it was half rain half snow..right to bed I went..up early, getting reading for work and CERTAINLY not burnt out!!!

I've spent 60 years being same, never stopping, always on the go, always friends/family around, always sharring so when I found a second family when I most needed one, it was wonderful to share...

To make our family more in tune with what is me (and you) by showing photo's, I thought it would bring all to a more personal level..

As for needing to show everyone everything, hey guys, that's just me, not needing a pat on the back..I'm a strong, compasionate, friendly, outgoing person...did I say nice as well??? lol

My life did change drastically, I shared with you my life with Roger and his passing, then what I thought was to be another perfect marriage, being asked to leave after giving and spending what $$$ I had, being left on the street without a home, and inside of months with family, friends and strength and the Lord beside me ended up putting my life together...lots of what I share is to say, 'there can be a tomorrow' even when at times you thought there never would...

As for spending 24/7 on here you have to remember a few things..

I work in an office that 7 out of 8 hrs. I MUST entertain myself or go crazy...Crissy said it right, when encaged and no entertainment around, this is the place to find friends...if feeling down, you can always come here and find a friendly FRIEND...

Then I come home and it's time to rest, well I've just sat 8hrs in an office, and up to the past week have sat in a car for at least 3 hrs a day if not more...

So I've rested...

With not having to cook, to clean (because I don't really use any other part of the house than my craft room) what does one do? Yes, I could watch t.v. (but I've done that at work all day) I could sit, (but I've sat all day) and yes, I could go to bed but at what purpose...so I have friends in doing crafts/painting...children/grandchildren who drop in and the rest, I can pick and choose what I want to do...

If I were to tell you about some exciting things in my life without photo's could you visualize what I am doing? Lordy half the time when talking to friends in Europe (who once lived here) first thing they say, 'put on the webcam so we can see what you are doing'...

For what purpose could I change my personality in the go/go/go department I really don't know..I watch my mom and she's the same, sibblings and my kids..all never stop..lordy I couldn't keep up with the activities and schedules that Greg and Jeff do...

i.e. this week, school, skiing,snowmobiling,hockey,shopping, doing driveways lol
never stop..

WE my family and Ithis thread room.. were all cut of the same cloth...

I do SO enjoy all your posts..reason for my saying perhaps we should close the thread was not because I am burnt out, my goodness I'm just getting recharged..packed in a box is Suzanne's 14 santa's that need beard/hair and that is today's project at work...tonight painting class here and Christmas festivities....so burnt out I'm not...

Gita, your post does not upset me in the least..nor should anyone be angry with her, I know she cares for me as I do her...that is her personality and her views...and that's O.K. Sabrina, you are a doll..much appreciated your being my Knight in shinning armour...now do they have Knightess lol

It's just that I went back through 4 or 5 threads, many of the old girls have left, the new ones I've come to love same as the others...my door on this thread is always open as is my door at home...my home is always open to anyone so, why should it be different here...but in reading the posts, I see soooo many views, I'm sure many are the friends that once joined us for coffee/tea and I saw all my babbling and thought goodness, perhaps those who visit are here to make me feel less on my own as much of the posting is ME...there are many other threads started by me, great friends as well ...the Canadian forum...then of course our workshop...etc...so I took it, on a very emotional day that perhaps you would all rather close the thread...for no other reason..sorry if it created problems...

The only thing that Gita is wrong about is the 'burn out' and her opinion of your taking my strength in posting...OMG you guys give me the energy...

Up at 4:45 I've had my bath, house clean/clean and organized, crafts ready for the office an I still have 1 1/2 to occupy myself...so that is where my friendship room comes in.. I can't very well call lmy girlfriends at this time of morning, nor my family so know usually someone is up here in the room (at least Stacey usually is)...

So now that I've read, now that I've typed and yes I'm a top A+ typist...can type so quickly that in a conversation I'd most likely have to wait for your next words...lol
Funny thing is this computer sits in a little room between the craft room and family room so I'm always passing it by and always tempted to drop in...my downfall some would say..

So energized I go to start my day!

Edited to remove spelling errors...early morning..

This message was edited Dec 10, 2008 11:15 AM

Liz....morning, or it's during the night your time....no bad words or feeling for Gita please...that's what I always liked about this thread, that we can come/go and say what is in our hearts without having anyone judge us...

Know you've been stressed out and I've been praying that things are back to normal ..soon we'll be thinking of more things to get that Judy into trouble with Steve and family..

betty, very well, things are pretty much settled, so crafting and chatting are comming back!
i dont want to make you laugh but omg heater on 80 dressed for snow and its 39 outside.
i know judy is upset, yapped with her last night hmmmmm a project for her.
ok im going to tattle,i know she has been cleanning up her craft corner, so now that she has room, perhaps some wood projects for her.lol
maby the geese planter, or the mr and mrs santa he he he...

gita, i appologise for my cat like behavior

oh betty i forgot to tell you lol
dh was thinking on making a tin man for his step mom so he thought about it and decided since she worked for the fire department,how about a fireman tin man lol so he has been a busy bee creating this.....

and the back

Hi All. Woke up at 5;30 and couldn't go back to sleep so have been reading. I thought oH! NO! another thread hits the dust but Betty is here and still her own sweet self so lets just get back to the old TA TA TA and no bickering. This thread is better than that!!!! We are all under some stress this time of yr. so put it on the back burner and it will soon be spring and time to yap about flowers again. LOVE YOU ALL BEV

Love the photo's Bev..back to sleep you go...

Just putting on my boots here..more snow to shovel...went and started the car so I can move it and took a few photo's...

These banks are unbelievable, even with Greg snowblowing with his big blower last night..

And it's only mid Dec.

Can't go back to sleep Betty in this house. Scotty is up and wanting breackfast and Rick will be up to get ready for work so need to get off here and get busy. You be careful dear friend on that slick stuff. We were to get a little snow last night but didn't happen. HUGS BEV

Dug out my reindeer set last night but looks like they are undercover again...

Bev here is where the pretty garden with all the birdhouses is resting...surely waiting for spring..

Now who was it that said they 'wanted' snow..come help me shovel please...

Poor 'Foxy Lady' she's hoping for spring as well...

Wow Liz, that's a lot of work...love them....does MIL have a garden to set it in? so cute...

Best be off...

I had a long post typed yesterday before Gita or anyone else posted but then the puppy and cat got into it and the computer shut down while I was refereeing so I totally lost the post. I just want to say 'My name is Terri and I'm a lurker"

You all have said most of what I wanted to say in my post. I would miss this thread because it's witty, down to earth and not too silly. I like to see everyone's crafts and hear about what's going on in th eoutside world. I work from home every day. As a result, I don't get the usual interaction that all of you that work in outside jobs do and I miss that. I can't give this job up because there are few jobs available in this area and they are usually taken by longtime residents; my DH has been trying to get one for 3 years now we have lived here.
I don't post a lot because sometimes I have nothing to add, by the end of the day and sometimes at the start, the words just won't come. I spend my day trying to compose letters to US Customs to explain why errors were made. This has to be done in a manner that will not result in anyone getting their backs up and penalizing my company and our customers. After doing that 20 times a day my mind is exhausted.
If I do post, I usually read it a lot before I send it on, just out of habit,;it's very rare for me to write more than a line or two because of this. So, I end up lurking but in this thread I still feel part of the group, I'm just the person in the corner who feels comfortable enough with her friends to not have to talk all the time, LOL! I just felt I needed to try and explain why I don't post.

Gita, you are very funny, I could tell the first time I read one of your posts that you are European- my Tantes were just like you, everything is cut and dried, there are no grey areas. Usually it is very hard to put emotions into a written communication but you do a fine job, LOL!

Betty, the Holidays are very emotional and I understand if you feel that you are carrying this thread because you are! You're the author of this thread and as a result we revolve around you. If you don't post for a day or two everyone becomes worried because it is very unusual and that can be a burden in itself. I don't think there is a way for you to not be our center because you are so cheerful and have such an interesting life that we all look forward to your posts.

Terri

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Where did you all miss that everything I said in my post is because I care so much about Betty? I was being protective of her and all she does for everyone.

I am NOT "attacking" her--or being disrespectful or mean--she is a most wonderful and caring person--just saying how I see if from my persoective.

Plantcrazi--I do not post on the Prayer Forum. What were you referring to? When did you see me do what you are accusing me of?

Sorry if so many of you got upset. Please reread my post from the perspective that I do care for and love Betty. Might see it in a different light.

Gita

Dear Terri - So happy to see you post. Thank you for explaining what you do for a living. It puts a whole new light on things. I suspect if I used a computer all day as part of my job, getting on here and trying to compose any more than I have already spent the day doing, I would be the very same as yourself.......too exhausted to think any more.

Oh Betty - You don't know how relieved I am to see you post this morning. For everyone's information, there is no way to "close" a forum, you just have to stop watching. I had to do that several months ago on a thread that I started somewhere. This is at least what I was told by Administration.

Also Betty, describing how you spend your day helps us realize that hey, you do have energy later than most of us because you have spent the better portion of the day resting. ha-ha

So, I hope that things are straightened out here now. Have a good one all.

Ruby

OMG Betty! Look at all that snow! I can't believe you have all that and it is only early December! WOW! So it's mid 60s here today and I have to say I really DO NOT like it when it's like this! It's winter (I know, not technically) and I want COLD weather! DH has my cold now so he's not feeling real happy right now and the warm weather doesn't help the head! Oh well....

Everyone have a great day and take it wasy out there!!

I check in later!
Jeannine

Good Mornig.

I hope everyone got in a good nights rest.

Brrr...it is frosty this morning. We got a nice little snow storm yesterday.
After leaving the office yesterday, I drove straight into it. Yikes was a tiny bit nerve wracking.
Well, you know me put some music on and drive nice and easy all the while praying everyone heads
to the conditions....Pretty was pulling into the drive exhaled my gratitude for arriving safely.

LOL Betty, my snow is nothing compared to yours so, lol forgive my whining...but what can i say, snow is snow!!
No Liz, i did not build a snowman, but maybe I will later!!

Anyway, I was going to go into work on Monday, however, We had to attend a memorial service...So, instead i went to work with Steve.
Yep, Betty that is the Building with Operah!! LOL, I think I'd fall down if I ever see her!
So i cleaned part of the unit so the guys could paint...I was just glad to be doing something.

I was a tiny bit upset because it did interrupt my plans, well I had to go in to work yesterday. We went over all the papers, had a few questions. Anyway...I got all my photo's copied onto discs. I was suprised it only tooks four. I had 3 years of photos!!
We had a really nice leisurely lunch...I have not taken a lunch break with the group in a very long time, so it was fun to sit and chat.
I was A-ok with everything that has been transpired. Until it was time to sign the papers. Wow, all of the sudden my hand started shaking.LOL...Thought I had it all under control. After that I walked to each person left to say goodbye. My, there were only a few "original" people left. But they all had some awsom hugs and the sweetest words of praise for all the years of my work. I broke down...It was kind of surreal, like I was walking in a dream or watching a movie.
LOL, geesh packed my car with another Load of stuff...I did ask if i may take a few things that have been "mine" for the past 21 years. Dumb little things l ike my clock. To anyone else it might be dumb, but it has come with me for every single move, floor to floor, building to building....heheh, So i figured it sured come home with me too. Also, some of the suppplies that i used...Most of the stuff was going to be trashed anyway, which is just dumb. I did ask, if I could also take a few of those cabinet and was given permission to take 2!
The last thing I did was take a few picture of my work room...Handed in my keys and that was that...Oh, my gosh even the Mr. Ed the security man, gave me a giant hug, and walked me to the door...I said Goodnight Ed, one last time and home I drove.

Thanks for talking to me Liz...Love the fire tin men, they are so cute!!

Gilli, I have really been enjoying the visit with Cedrick adn Bailey as well...My we are seeing your island and learning it's history. Also, getting to know you and the family so much more...This is a really neat tour.

Hi Carol!

Jesse, I am sorry you had the scare the othewr day. But how Proud you must be to overcome it and get that burst of energy.
Good for you! Tonados are frightening, geesh...I get scared with strong winds!LOL.

Well today i must fisnish the craft corner and then i can begin some more projects and finish some others.

OK...Been Typing for a while...so will get on with the day.
Enjoy...
Waving hello Wonderhug, how are you these days????
and VES, where are you??? Hope you are well...Are you buried in snow too?

Hi and Hugs to ALL!!
Enjoy the day...be back later.

LOL, I should really learn to spell...maybe I can slow down!!

Many major accidents on our way in...people still decide knowing that the roads have black ice to drive as normal...many I'm sad to say are truckers..Roger was a trucker and feel I'm betraying him saying that but lordy, last ight just as we were coming down the main hill onto our cutoff and all the traffic going same speed, along comes 2 transports doing at least 75 to 80 miles per hour, bet there wasn't much more than a feather between him and car infront..I thought for sure an accident would happen..so this morning, many are driving badly..we are here, we are safe and it promises to be a clear day...

I've got my 'to do' list together for chores, pick up 's and such so made my first call this morning..

We have a Foodland Grocery store just down the street from me and I called them, had heard that they debone turkey's and you can bring your own dressing (stuffing) in for them to stuff the turkey so I ordered one that will feed at least 18-20 people..he told be to be at the store at 8:30, he'll take my dressing and stuff while I wait...could have the bones for soup if I wanted them, but NOT~ so I'm anxious to try my turkey this way..always a hastle carving it...

Decided that as it will be early afternoon dinner that I will cook it Sat. and have more of a buffet type meal, can still warm some of the turkey, learnt from Roger when he cooked for big events at the community center to put a tad of juice in a tray, layer turkey, put a wet cloth over it and on low temps it will cook, not dry out and will be juicy...

Have any of you tried the deboned turkey?

Judy I am here lurking at times. Just no energy for lots of chatting. I am keeping up with a couple of my other threads but even they are sporatic at times. With talking to the people that come in the store and co-workers I am all talked out and just want peace and quiet. I don't have the energy like some of you others. I like to sit and do nothing and veg in front of the tv. Waiting for when I have enough money for new glasses and can sit and read a book again. Haven't for 2 years. I really miss that. I missed the whole last thread. Did you quit or they finally let you go? Whatever enjoy yourself for awhile. Decide what you want or need to do.

Betty we talk snow over our way, but what you have is SNOW! We have had snow showers for the past 10 days only interupted by rain and ice. Not much accumulation but no sun and it is getting to everyone. Colds abound here, I have my 1st in over a year, and everyone is doing crazy things.
We don't reallize how much the sun and daylight affect all of us until we don't have it. Several years ago I visited Oregon and fell in love with it, especially the coast. When I asked a friendly waitress why there were so few people in such a beautiful area she said that they had the largest suicide rate in the county due to the long periods of rain and fog.
The Holidays, too, can make people feel "down". We have such high expectations about what the holiday will bring; friends, warmth, gifts. Everything will be/should be perfect. Since nothing can ever compete with our dreams and expectations we can become unhappy. I have learned to take the holidays as they come. Enjoy the wonderufl things that they bring and not put too much pressure on myself or others to make thngs "perfect".
So here is my wish for all of you this year; enjoy what you have, don't regret what you don't have, and share your warmth and friendhip with others in anyway you can.

Well said lady. Ditto to your wish for everyone. We do not realize sometimes how blessed we really are. Came home from church last Sun and our nieghbors to the East of us one block had cop cars and fire engines and ambulances. Thier house had been on fire and the mother of 5 children had tried to put the curtians out that one of them had lit with a lighter. She got smoke intelation and they didn't know she had throat cancer so her throat had swelled and when they put the tube in it damaged so bad. She was 31 and passed yesterday. Dad is left with 5 kids and no home. This little town is trying to help all we can. Bless them all and please say prayers. Thanks BEV

what a lovely sentiment..are you feeling better today? did you get the cards done? Mine must get posted this weekend.. Holidays in my family were always so very special that we tend to overdo, but then when it's over, we're so very pleased we put so much effort into it...

Drats and more drats..said a bad word here...brought everything in with me and no glue sticks so now have to go purchase more on my lunch hour..can always use glue sticks...they are sitting in my car at Suzanne's...so must entertain myself somehow..

With Paul vacationing this week in the tropics so I have to fend to fill in my day...I should have went with them...

Morning Vicki, I can imagine just how tired you must be..each and every time I'm in a store and see those poor girls on their feet all day you come to mind...mega work...do you ever have a slow period?

OMG Bev how horrific for that family to be left without a mother..when tragedy strikes that is the time to see what our communities are made of..so young...prayers for her family...

Suzanne this morning was telling me that my SIL Donna's father died last night...he and his wife were out shopping all day, when they came home he said he was a bit tired and was going to lay down...as he walked down the hallway she heard clunk..he fell to his death..massive heart attach...

Death is always so difficult to deal with but when it happens at Christmas it's just so overwhelming...the festive season is never more to be as it once was...

Maybe for a few minutes or late in the shift. But then there is the cleaning and putting things back where they belong. People don't realize how much work it is to run all over the store putting things back they don't want or that they let their wonderful kids drag around. We are constantly restocking the shelves or straightening them as poeople let their kids handle everything or dig and move things themselves. Makes you wonder what their homes look like!

I saw at Wal-Mart they had a couple of people going around and picking up stuff to put back. Next time I see one I am going to ask them what else they do during the shift.

Enough of this. It is just frustrating as people just don't get it. Sorry to all that pick up after themselves and their kids I didn't mean you.

Bev here I am ranting about myself when that family is going thru such a tragedy. Hope the town pulls together for them.

I'm going to have to catch up later, slept in because I have a dentist appt at 10 (50 minutes) Yuk. Guess I better get in the shower, I don't want to stink at the dentist lol! I'll be going to work after that, and I actually have some work to do LOL!

Vicki, I saw in a store I was shopping in the other day, they had set aside an area and had a table with about a 10" plank side that was attached to it, table had to be about 6'x 8' wouldn't have to be that big though...and a sign attached...please put any item you've decided not to purchase here please..it was amazing to see how many actually were doing it...

A lot less trouble for the staff I would imagine...

Betty that is a good idea if you have room for it. Our store doesn't. But I will mention it to the manager maybe she can think of a spot that will work. Even an empty cart might work!

Might, normally you see people just dropping things here and there along the aisles, it was visible and I was impressed that everyone was dropping things on it, what even more impressed me was that people would walk over to look what was on it and a lot was being purchased...lol

Hi taking a quick break...got alot accomplished this AM.
Sending Steve off to the house...Tadah, kitchen cabinets are to arrive tomorrow!!
Oh my gosh so exciting.lol.

Bev, My heart goes out to the family, how devesating for them. I too hope that the town will be able to help them out.
...Oh I love that photo of the flowers above...did you do something different to get the translucence to it? It is really neat.

Ves, Yikes, I can just imagine the mess some people make. I have seen this in the stores at times. Makes you wonder what the big rush is to put something back to where it's found. I hope you enjoy your down and quiet time. Ahhh, a good book is nice...I love to read as well, just didn't have time until now. Hope you get new glasses soon too.
On the work front, we finally got notice last week Thursday. They let the entire group go.
We all knew this was to happen. What they are doing is consolidating 5 major companies together. in our building alone the count was around 70+. It's been said the total for this time is around 700 people loosing jobs. We realize that with all the locations and everyone doing the same thing, you know it is definatley business smart to scale back...For me, It will bring some new oppertunities, I hope and think.

Was talking to one of my original partners last night and I guess just a final tear as i told her that I was pretty proud that it was me to have closed the doors to our team...LOL, back then i would never have thought in a millions years, it's cool.
But the funny thing is, I never got a retirement party...About 5 years ago they had one for all the original employees...(outside the company) but i didn't get invited because i was too young...boohoo...lol so i am going to throw one for myself after the holidays. it will be a great way for all of us to gather and find out how everyone is fairing.

Betty, Did you find your glue??

Oh and Janice, What a beautiful wish.

Judy all I did was to revert the colors. Pink where gr should be and gr where pink should be. Did it in Print Workshop program. BEV

No Judy, sitting here patiently, Suzanne had to run to Staples for supplies so was going to run into Canadian Tire and pick some up that way our lunch will be free to 'eat'...

Started to laugh when you said you'd give yourself a retirement party..marvellous idea..a get together with all your friends... go for it..

Now you didn't tell me what part of Florida you'll be in..just incase it's close...thought if I do end up going I'll spend New Years day as Epcot..that ought to take the sadness away...

New cupboards, my goodness come spring you'll be in an entirely newly deocrated house..you'll so enjoy decorating...

Did you put santa outside...if you go back on my morning post you can try and find mine, not much left of him is there...bought 2 more lit pieces for the yard on Sat. and didn't put them out..glad I didn't or I'd not have found them..so tonight I'll stick them in the snowbank ...

I can send you some of my snow if you wish?

Wow, Look at that snow! It is so pretty for a picture, but you all can have it. It got pretty cool here last night, and we were supposed to have a few snow flurries, but that never happened, it just rained a little, but I had to cut all my brugs down to the bottom. Now I have so many cuttings for next year. Betty, I hope you have some salt to place on those steps, so you don't slip on the ice!
Please take care.
When do you go to Florida?

LK

Bev, you are very creative with your photo systems...I must learn how to download all my photo's onto disks..am sure it's not difficult, just have to learn how to..Jeff's been so busy at work, high stress, almost lost a 9million dollar client due to a glitch in a new program..worked day and night this past 2 weeks, just e-mailed and said things will calm down now and he'll unwind..so, after all he's been through I'd best not ask him to play computer when he visits Sat/Sun. Know he has been asked by his brother to do a few repairs..I'll not ask...

Maybe in the new year when it's blizzard like outside, I'll download a few programs and play...do want to get back to scrapbooking..I'd love to do an album for each of the kids for next year...so much work involved one would have to start early...besides I could use all the scrapbooking materials I have stored...