Morning Glories 2008 #21

pic is not mine , come from japan
family likeness !

Those are some sweet photos, Dany!

Dany - The alleged 'summer skies' that is available are actually a light "Heavenly Blue"

The main stems visible in this photo all have a reddish-purple pigmentation on them...
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5657092
the "Summer Skies" that I grew had absolutely no pigmentation on any of the stems at all anywhere at any time...

Dark and light Heavenly Blue in the PlantFiles
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/59069/


Emma asks about Summer Skies
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=1845866
Ron replies on a number of questions including Summer Skies
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=1846921

Some other relevant posts related to "Summer Skies"
seed color
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=1280002
My replies related to seed color
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=1625123
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=1763979

Kenin Ternes asks about 'summer skies'
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=2680248
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=2682011


http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=1892433
Stacy relays that she supplied the seeds to North Carolina that have since been called summer skies
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=1927978


Beth related posts and comments
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=3958696
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=3959065

Thread and related discussion on alleged 'summer skies'
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/756114/


TTY,...


Ron



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Beautiful pictures everyone, love them all.

I am still getting a few blooms now & then. Not sure what this one was supposed to be.

gorgeous blooms and great photos and awsome information here, folks... can't wait to see some more!

Very pretty bloom Helena.

This bloom was on one of the Carnivale de Venezia vines. A white with a
soft lavender throat. A total surprise

Helena -

The bloom here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5657524
looks like Ipomoea tricolor "Blue Star"

Jackie - The 'carnival of venice' is a mixture of the flaked strain...nice mix,but not a new cultivar as some would like to believe...

Ron Thanks ! for all the information

CONCLUSION : now I ' m looking for Clarke's EARLY Himmelblau and realy Summer Skies seeds ! who can help me in this topic ?

Dany

i bought some wedding bells and summer sky's off the web... suppose that means i bought light heavenly blue then!!

Thanks Ron. I like this one enough to gather seeds for next yr.
Started on March 27, just now blooming at 6 months old. Could have been the bugs, spider mites, that covered it all summer.
They're all gone now with
the cooler weather and it's making nice healthy lvs again.

ceej1963 - you mentioned

"i bought some wedding bells and summer sky's off the web... suppose that means i bought light heavenly blue then!!"

It would seem so...


dany12 - You mentioned

"CONCLUSION : now I ' m looking for Clarke's EARLY Himmelblau and really Summer Skies seeds ! who can help me in this topic ?"

The early version of "Heavenly Blue" which is the baby powder blue can still be found...you just have to look for it and hope that the photos that a person displays are accurate to represent the seeds offered...

The "Summer Skies"...I do not know of anyone who has these at this point...I used to grow them many years ago,but the seeds were lost...

I have been suggesting to people who have Ipomoea tricolor that seem like good candidates for selection to keep track of the variations produced...Joseph has nice "Blue Star" that looks like it may be on the verge of losing the darker color along the primary folds...

I was thinking that maybe a group of us here on the MG Forum could do a group project such as trying to re-create the "Summer Skies"...

The very light Heavenly Blue (dark seeded) could be crossed with a nice colored "Blue Star" (light seeded) to try and produce a light seeded "Summer Skies" of good color...although it would require at least several generations to produce a good combination of traits...it is likely that it could be done...



Hope that helps...



Ron

That would be fun to do, Ron - I'd love to participate.

And may I suggest that any time any of us contemplate a grow-out that we just automatically assume that Becky will be gung-ho about it - so let's all save seeds for her in any grow-out endeavor, so she can participate as her situation allows, too.

I hand pollinated a couple flowers of the Blue Star that had the dilute rib markings and tied them off and marked them; with luck they will make seeds. I will keep looking on the vine for other similar flowers.

Joseph - Is your "Blue Star" light or dark seeded (?)...if you are not sure yet,look at the stems closely...if there is any rosey pigmentation on the stems it is dark seeded...if the stems are completely free of any pigmentation,then it is most likely the light seeded form...

TTY,...

Ron

sounds like something I could do with a little help! LOL

i'm up for a group project !!

having read the threads....
i would think that a cross of blue star(white seeded) to pearly gates... then a backcross to blue star... it would seem from what is written in the threads that 'no spotting' is dominant and could easily be tracked(because it's visible) in the back crosses... the best of these crosses should then be self pollinated.. and selected from there.

however, the gene for 'spotting' would be carried as a recessive... to clear this from the strain one would need to self pollinate each individual vine... grow some(as many as possible) out of each lot of seed and discard any lots that throw flowers with 'spotting'...

you would also have to remove the seemingly recessive 'pearly gates' gene using the above method and then there's still the issue of dark seeds. (which can be easily tracked... see ron's post above)

it could take a few years.



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i've just re-read the posts....
the same backcrossing method could be used if starting with "very light heavenly blue" and "blue star"... what your after is the gene for 'no spotting' on the pale blue background of "blue star"... so it depends on wether "very light heavenly blue" has the 'no spotting gene'

the reason for using the "pearly gates " exaple was because it seems to be recessive to "blue star" and therfore the "blue star" colouring could be tracked... however as we will be backcrossing to "blue star" that isn't really necessary as it will return in the backcross...and given the extra work of removing the "pearly gates" gene it probably would be better to work with "VLHB". (and hope that the "VLHB" background is dominant and therefore can be tracked for removal)

however, from the threads i think that the aim of crossing "VLHB" to http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5654537 is to reduce the intensity of colour of the remaining 'spotting' so that it's no longer visible, wich is a completely different approach... ron??




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Blue Star in Europe black seeds

only black seeds

Summer Skies on eBay black seeds too - other = mix salad

Very interesting information about Summer Skies. Another one I didn't know about. Yes, as Karen mentioned (thank you, Karen) ... if you do try a grow-out (to cross or select) to bring this vine back ... I'd love to be included.

I've had a lot of blooms lately, but pollen production is down. Too much rain???? Anyway ... I am trying desperately to produce some seed pods. I am afraid that the Chocolate Blizzard is not going to give me any seeds. No seed pods yet after about 10 blooms. :-(



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I am getting several different colors of solid blooms from the seeds of Fuji no Monet NOT. Here's a sample of the different colors of purple. Don't know where that pink is coming from! LOL!

Here is today's bloom of Dai. No seed pods yet on this one. :-( :-(

What purpose do the ants serve on these blooms? I hope they are not transplanting eggs for a worm ... ack!!!

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This is a bloom on Ishadatane. Thanks Ronnie for these seeds! Love it! :-)

I, too, am growing some of Joseph's seeds of Shiro Muraski Shibori Kongo! What an awesome I. purpurea vine! This is one that I am trying to cross with an I. nil. Possibly Mutant Blue Needle Leaf Nanding or Blue Asago Willow (both of which have tan seeds).

The blooms on SMSK go from one extreme of color ...

to another! What an amazing vine!!!

I had to laugh when I saw this one. Looks like something took a bite out of the bud before it bloomed. This is a LYK volunteer growing in the large original pot.

I am starting to see some solid blooms on President Bush. This bloom is smaller.

2 blooms on Blue Blizzard. I absolutely find this blue color stunning! I hope to get seeds for this one!

Maisugata is actually more of a purple color not this dark blue. I can't photograph an accurate color of this vine. Got 2 blooms yesterday!

I don't know if "Dragon Claw Wind Bell Jishi Botan" (Q0426) is supposed to be a dwarf-like vine, but mine appears to be a very small vine. It would make an awesome tabletop plant grown in a pot.

You know I HAVE to sneak in another photo of Fuji Shibori! One of my favorites this grow-out!

Heian Umi X Rose Silk. Antoinette really created a nice cross with this one! The flowers are the largest blooms of all those I am currently growing. It rivals Kohkan in bloom size! BEAUTIFUL!!!

Wow, Becky! As always absolutely mouthwatering.....

Becky (and others)

You're killing me with all of these wonderful pictures! I MISS my morning glories!! Have a great day all! :)

Mike

Mike - I will be sending seeds out to you this week. With everything going on, I just haven't had the time. Next year you will have some beauts! :-)

Becky

Don't you worry about it! :) This is a busy time for all of us! And your little priority box will be going out any day now! Watch for it! :) Keep posting the pictures! :) I love them! Have a great Sunday all!

Mike

Wow, really awesome pictures of your MG's Becky!

Stunning blooms Becky. Love the SMSK