Morning Glories 2008 #19

Front view of President Bush.

Thanks Antoinette for the seeds for P. Bush!

And this one I am watching closely. It is one of Antoinette's crosses - "Heian Umi X Rose Silk". From the looks of it, the cross took. I am wondering if this vine might continue to produce some interesting blooms. I love the lighter edging and the lighter pink throat. Stay tuned!

This message was edited Sep 29, 2008 9:56 PM

Another view of this bloom.

Here is Heian Umi: http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/72358/

Here is Rose Silk: http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/49152/

Joseph, I wasn't thinking about the leaf size, just that the bloom color looks
identical to Count Drac. Count Drac has small lvs like Ten-Ten.
Becky, Love your Pres Bush. My sds came from A too but my blooms are very different. The cross from A's seeds is pretty.

Jackie - Do you have a photo of your P. Bush bloom that you could post here?

Becky, Here's one

Becky, one more. Also sent one as the 1st pic on thread # 17 or 16?
It had a patterned bloom and a solid.

Hmmm ... thanks Jackie! Maybe mine is a cross instead of a pure P. Bush? Or do the blooms change? Mine has that star pattern which looks like a Star of India only pink version! LOL!

Becky, I remember that A had a few solid blooms and quite a few patterned.
Wish she would send a few pics of hers from last yr.
Maybe the blooms were all open pollinated. Regardless, I think your blooms are gorgeous with the star pattern.

hi becky... all i can find is a refference on a website about bushtucker... and they treated their seeds with smoke... it just doesn't say whether it's necessary... the seeds i have don't look like those in plant files... they seem to be hairy.. but maybe thats been cleaned off.

byndweedbeth has grown them before becky, i wonder if she knows?

i got them off ebay from new south wales... they are on offer again from someone in western austraila.. i'm tempted to send for those 'cos i don't think the seeds i have are the real thing (plus i keep succulents, and locations are collectable... ok i'm getting addicted)



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Ceej, here's an excerpt from a dmail I wrote rjuddharrison that attempts to figure out when and how smoke treatment may be useful for MGs. I guess whether this will be useful to you may depend on how similar germination needs of I. costata may be to certain Carribean species. Personally, if these two types of MGs have significant differences in native habitat and germination requirements, and if the smoke treatment should still work for I. costata, then I would find that very interesting. Please excuse me for not editing it for this post -

"Ron (or who? --- Dr. Yoneda! - great source for MG origins: http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/Asagao/Yoneda_DB/E/locality/menu.html ) mentioned that some MGs originated (or probably?) in the Caribbean. I had read in J L Hudson's seed catalog that smoke treatment was helpful in germinating Angelonia seeds, as is the case with seeds of many other plants originating from the Antilles (or other parts of the world) where wildfires are common. DH just answered my question in the affirmative about the Antilles being within the Caribbean. Ergo - are any MG seeds you're trying to germinate from the Caribbean or any other part of the world where wildfires are common? "

Becky - why & how to use smoke treatment - http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/Germination.htm

I, too, would love clarification about the efficacy of germinating MGs with smoke from someone who knows more about this. Also, Joseph has grown a moonflower that happens to be a caudiciform species that sends my heart into pit-pat mode: Ipomoea albivenia. I'd also be interested to hear more about germinating I. costata inasmuch as it may be caudiciform. (Joseph, how did you germinate I. albivenia?)

Outstandingly beautiful morning glories, everyone - thanks for posting their pictures.

Karen

love all these pics and posts.. I love morning glories mine are all potted on my website but here is a pic or two..
I grow mine in trees and shrubs that don't bloom, and train them on wires by my back door on each side, and in the barrells on posts.. sure would like some of the ones u guys have!

this is my pink one

my big flying saucer

my almost red ones

I know that this is a rather common morning glory, but I love the way it has appeared between two lilacs and grown up my Dublin Bay rose. I got morning glory seeds from a freind who moved away several years ago, and they were very reluctant to grow where I was sowing them. It made its way to my roses, and has given me a great appreciation for the way plants find their own homes.

Donna

Jackie - The blue kikyo unofficially referred to as count dracula is an Ipomoea nil and is a completely different species than Ipomoea parasitica...these 2 different species are not considered to be inter-specific cross compatible as most different species in Ipomoea will not cross fertilize...

The Ipomoea parasitica blooms
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/Gerris2_1222705075_754.jpg
look similar to Ipomoea purpurea blooms to my eyes...

Ipomoea nil blue kikyo cd
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=3802869

Ipomoea purpurea
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/91080/

Dany - The Ipomoea costata seeds naturally have a fuzzy coating that can be removed by the sellers or become worn off with age as the seeds get jostled around...

nick through the seedcoat carefully at the end distal to the hilium,soak in very shallow water for up to 48 hours (or until visibly swollen,then plant in sprouting medium...
Here's what I use to carefully breach seedcoats
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=3132693


Becky - There are certain compounds in smoke that stimulate many seeds to germinate...apparently an evolutionary mechanism to stimulate germination of latent seeds after a lightning initiated fire...it is interesting that many seeds that are in areas that never have natural fires,still respond to the specific compounds in the smoke by germinating (!)


There is a company that sells a smoke product (paper containing the specific compounds in smoke that trigger the germination (e.g., nitric oxide and butenolide compounds)
http://www.seedman.com/cape.htm


TTY,...

Ron



This message was edited Sep 30, 2008 12:22 PM

thanks bluespiral...

the caudiciform types i have on order are:
i pubescens? (suposed to be south america... but i think ron_conv' mentioned that they're probably an african species)
i polpha? (austrailia)
i adenioides? (can't work out where they are from... the sites in german, the site say's ... perennial, Deciduous, caudexbildender shrub up to about 1m with large, trumpet-white flowers. This kind of pulls on the winter months, an above ground!)
I lindheimeri? (texas?)
and i spec. 001 (sites say's: unidentified species with broadly lobed, densely pubescent silvery green to grayish green leaves and ornamental bright lilac blue flower trumpets. Originally received as Ipomoea holubii, which as a a matter of fact is a completely different).... pic below

thanks for the smoke treatment link ron...i shall try some of the aussie species with smoke and some without , just to see what happens.






This message was edited Sep 30, 2008 6:13 PM

Colin - Ipomoea pubescens
http://www.bihrmann.com/caudiciforms/subs/ipo-pub-sub.asp
is definitely a New World species,but I'm suspecting that at least some of what is being offered in Europe is actually an unidentified but closely related species collected from Africa...


Ipomoea adenioides is from Africa
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/114279/

MG Forum thread on Ipomoea adenioides
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/887163/


Ipomoea lindheimeri
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/81402/
likely originated in MesoAmerica,but is native to Texas

The photo here
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/ceej1963_1222791034_289.jpg
is not Ipomoea / Turbina holubii,but the not fully identified species that is being distributed in Europe as Ipomoea pubescens...

There is currently still some disagreement as to whether
Ipomoea holubii or Turbina holubii should be currently accepted binomial...


TTY,...

Ron

thanks ron... excellent thread on adenioides there... those flowers are lovely, well done gould...

if i got it right... i've sent off for two lots of the same seed then... never mind... hopefully i can trade them...becky??

thanks again
colin

Ron, thanks for the clarification. Just chalk my silly notion up to my being an old
lady who needs new glasses. lol. The silliest part was that I know
good and well 2 different species are not going to cross as you've
re-iterated many, many times.
Excuse my flight of fancy (fantasy). lol

patootie... glad i'm not on my own... "flight of fancy (fantasy)"... i've given up on the hybrids too(but maybe i'll move a bit of pollen about, i just won't be holding my breath)... lol


This message was edited Sep 30, 2008 8:37 PM

LOL Colin. I think it's good to push the known boundaries. Try giving the
female flower some of it's own pollen, then right away slip in the foreign pollen.
Maybe you can fool mother nature. lol

Colin - So what exactly did you order? Ipomoea pubescens or Ipomoea adenioides or Ipomoea lindheimeri? You know that I am game for a seed trade either way! :-)

joeswife - D-mail me if you still want some I. nil MG seeds.

DonnaMack - Welcome! What a lovely photo of your "common" MGs among the roses and Lilacs! I agree ... sometimes Mother Nature creates a natural garden that is far more beautiful than anything we could intentionally plant!

Ron - Thanks for the explanation about using smoke compounds to germinate seeds. Very interesting theory ... or fact ... however it may be!

And thanks to Karen for the link about using smoke.

Ceej - I am with you and Jackie ... let's push the limit. You just never know if it might take and produce a wonderful cross. And if it doesn't, then at least you gave it a shot! :-) Jackie, I had to laugh ... you and I are thinking the same thing ... "Try giving the female flower some of it's own pollen, then right away slip in the foreign pollen. Maybe you can fool mother nature." My hope as well! LOL! Regardless how outrageous that idea may sound ... I wonder if Yoneda thought that too when he created the I. nil crossed with an I. purpurea to produce the youjiro?

We've had rain and overcast skies for 2 days now. So here are some Rainy Day Blooms!

In the photo are President Bush (?), 2 Hanafubuki, and a Mutant Blue Needle Leaf Nanding blooms.

I planted some Purple Tie-Dye seeds in the big pot with my Trumpet Creeper and look at one of the vines/blooms that I got instead! LOL! I never cease to be surprised at what I sometimes get from my own seeds! LOL! Obviously a cross with something with like Chocolate Silk or Cocoa Chocolate that I grew out at the same time as Purple Tie-dye last year.

i ordered all 4 of them becky... but i think i have ordered "pubescens"(might not be it's real name) twice... if you look at the image of I species 001 (posted above) the flowers and leaves look very similar to I pubescens http://www.bihrmann.com/caudiciforms/subs/ipo-pub-sub.asp

we will have to see when they arrive.

Gorgeous blooms everyone! Becky I really like the last one, so pretty.

never thought about pollenating anything anyother way than the bees and moths and butterfys.. hmm, do u use a qtip or wat?

Becky - The hanfubuki on the left here
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/beckygardener_1222814425_128.jpg
with the large white throat halo is outstanding...nice contrast with the blizzard markings...

TTY,...

Ron

Qtip or artist paint brush. Speaking of which, I have seed pods on Ten-Ten
and I didn't do it. The bees took care of everything.
Becky, Love all your blooms but I agree with Helena, your Chocolate Tie
Dye is so pretty.

joeswife - check the sticky
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/824965/
for links and details on how to Hand Pollinate Morning Glories...


Ron

Time for a new thread, #20

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/908657

Colin, if I'm not too late and if you have any extra seeds of the unusual ones you ordered, I'd love to trade for some, too. I especially love the blue flowered, silvery leaved I. pubescens. And am always up for unusual moonflowers. Not to worry if you don't have enough seeds to go around.

Karen

no problem karen... i'll post seed pics and spares list as soon as they arrive.
colin

This message was edited Oct 2, 2008 11:32 AM