Morning glories 2008 #18

This is I. hederacea (possibly var. integriuscula). I looked in plantfiles and there is no photo of this vine. How would I know if it is integriuscula?

This is the entire vine.

This is a volunteer from Mutant Blue Needle Leaf Nanding but it looks a little different to me. I think it is the white border around the petals that may be different. It's pretty beat up from the rain.

This is Beni Chidori still growing in the basket from April. I thought that the rust had done it in, but it is making a very nice comeback. It's the same vine.

My container of mounding MGs was blooming nicely today. I counted three different cultivars. One Kawaii (white) and two Sunsmiles (lavender and pink).

I just love the Pink Porcelain. It photographs well for me. The color is one of my faves!

One along the privacy fence called Tall Mix. It's an I. purpurea.

Pretty Blue Melanie!
Joseph, love the WB, I can't get that one to grow for me...
Jackie I love the Blue Youjiro always a favorite of mine!!
OH my Becky is at it again!! Yeah!! Love the pink porcelain, a real looker!!

I had to start a good number of seeds before I had one "take" and decide to grow up and outwards, Ronnie. I am happy to get one to flower! Thanks for your comment, Jackie!

Here is another photo of Ipomoea parasitica, I love the colors! Reminds me of the Royal Ensign flower color combination.

Joseph

The more I look at the volunteer of Mutant Blue Needle Leaf Nanding http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5575643 , the more I believe it is a cross. Here is my MBNLN from last year: http://davesgarden.com/community/blogs/i/47976/
I had Blue Jishi X Ten Ten http://davesgarden.com/community/blogs/i/47968/ growing right next to it and I am thinking they crossed to give me my new vine.

What do you think?

Joseph - You Ipomoea parasitica is really pretty! It looks like a small bloom. Is it? I probably have already asked this question, but can't remember your reply.

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The parasitica flower is about 2 inches in diameter. Good things come in small packages.

Here is another Flying Saucer.

Thanks Ronnie.
Becky, so happy you are getting more blooms.
Lovely blooms they are too. Love the hederacea variety and the Pink Porcelain.
Your Jishi x 10-10 from last yr is amazing

Love the deep color on your parasitica Joseph.

This is Lavender Chiffon, resembles Lavender Mist. Will try for a better pic
when it blooms again.

Pretty Flying Saucers Lili. Love the squared off bloom.

I need to grow Flying Saucers and soon, great photo!

Anyone know the history of the common name for this vine?

Joseph

no Gerris, do you?

LiliMerci - Love your Flying Saucers. I planted a seed from a commercial package of purple flying saucers and am waiting for some blooms. Did yours take a long time to bloom? Mine were cheapie seeds from American Seed Co. which I have read somewhere before that sometimes what they sell is not what you get. So don't know if I will actually get FS or some other cultivar of MG, but the leaves look like FS, so I am hoping ...

Is Flying Saucers an I. nil or something else?

Jackie - I grew both Lavender Chiffon and Lavender Mist last year. They did look very similar to me. Hard to tell them apart. Same with the Lavender solid crosses I grew in the Spring/Summer. Very similar except for the leaves. Beautiful bloom!

Lili I haven't a clue. Wish I knew. Boo hoo.

Becky, mine did take a long time to come up. It germinated very easity with coffee filter bag, but when I put them in the ground they didn't do much. I had completely forgotten all about them when they bloomed. I had several seeds but I don't remember where I put the others...

May be Ron might know about the naming of 'flying saucer'. Hmmm...

Becky, The Lavender Chiffon is from your seeds and I do like it.
I think the Flying Saucers is a tri-color.

Becky - Here are photos of the Ipomoea hederacea var.integriuscula in the
PlantFiles
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/125105/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/167385/

If you search integriuscula in the MG Forum...it shows up...

Flying Saucers is in the PlantFiles
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/adv_search.php?searcher%5Bcommon%5D=&searcher%5Bfamily%5D=&searcher%5Bgenus%5D=Ipomoea&searcher%5Bspecies%5D=&searcher%5Bcultivar%5D=Flying+Saucers&searcher%5Bhybridizer%5D=&searcher%5Bgrex%5D=&search_prefs%5Bblank_cultivar%5D=&search_prefs%5Bsort_by%5D=cultivar&images_prefs=both&Search=Search

Darold Decker advertised that "Flying Saucers" would be ready to ship early for the 1958 growing season,so he had them selected out and seedstock prepared in 1957...

The name was chosen because the flowers can look like they are moving if you turn your head back and forth...they seem to wobble and spin...the bees look for these type of patterns in addition to the other color clues like Ultraviolet light...


TTY,...

Ron

Ron - I didn't realize that Ipomoea hederacea var. integriuscula was grouped in with Ipomoea hederacea PlantFile description. There is a listing for var. integriuscula in PlantFile, but no photos or much information there. The reason I asked how to tell if mine is var. integriuscula, is because I was going to submit a photo or two for this in PlantFile:
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/138565/
So ... since mine has cordate leaves, is it var. integriuscula?

LiliMerci - My Flying Saucers vine germinated pretty quick in the ground, but I have yet to see a bud form on this vine. That was what I really meant to ask ... how long did it take to produce blooms?

Thanks Jackie for letting me know that Flying Saucers is a I. tricolor. I am curious to see how big the flowers are. 4-5"? I am having a hard time trying to find a good photo of the leaves to compare to my vine. Does anyone have a photo they could post here of just a leaf?

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Ah ... better yet ... here is a photo of my vine's leaves. Perhaps someone can tell me if this vine really is Flying Saucers by the leaves?

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Ron, I liked hearing about the origins of the common name Flying Saucers. I will have to grow this one to see if I can shake the rocks loose in my head even more!

LOL! Gerris, you are too funny. I'll have to look at my flying saucer bloom by moving my head back and forth as Ron suggested. The neighbors will think I've gone cuckoo!

Becky, I just looked at my FS vine and it doesn't have many leaves on them, but they are oblong heart-shaped. They are very stingy bloomer compared to my other MG's.

Becky, Here is my crazy Flying Saucers from 2006 with a Heavenly Blue and
Flying Saucers bloom. See if you can make out the lvs. Will look for a
better photo.
Just rambling here, but I always thought that since these 2 are both tri-colors
as is Pearly Gates, that F.S. was just a natural ocurring hybrid of the other two.
I know Ron will tell me that's not so. lol

I just spent hours looking for my strangest F.S. bloom from 06. Couldn't find it and I've deleted it from my files by accident. Oh well
Becky, here is Yag Blizzard this morning. The camera picks up details I
can barely see. The stripes are very light and the shading isn't as apparent in person.

Ron, if you or anyone happens across my photo of Flying Saucers from July or
Aug of 06, please send me a link. I thought I posted it to a #rd thread but now I
can't find it. I want to try to re-capture it so I can place it back in my files.
I'm just sick that I deleted it by accident.
This is the F.S. that had 3 different blooms and one was a wild and crazy bloom
with multiple colors.

Jackie, wrong dates, but still 2006 - could your "wild and crazy" Flying Saucers be in here, or have your Flying Saucers been taking you on more trips? I wouldn't mind coming along on some of those - Beth's botanic trip to Hawaii was wonderful, so now I think we all deserve a MG trip out of this world - lol

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/669765/

Meag, would love to know which MG this one is - http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=5566995

Gerris, those yellow MGs are so fascinating...would love to know more about those

Becky, ya can't have too many moonflower pics, imo - always gorgeous

Love those red-speckled MGs - lovely Kanoko and Ten-Ten, Beth & Patootie...my Fuji no Shibori from A. turn red

Patootie - am enjoying your "FujiNOT, dark blue" very much - interestingly for those preferring quicker-blooming I nils, all the Fujis you sent me were the earliest to bloom and remain the most prolific here - might be nice for Frank to try

Lili - so great to have neighbors with whom to share the love of gardening - those don't "grow on trees"...nice photo of Flying Saucers

Ron, thankyou for the low-down on history of FS and info on Ipomoea hederacea var.integriuscula

Karen

Becky - I had initially added the Ipomoea hederacea var.integriuscula to the PlantFiles to distinguish the type showing cordate leaves from the more usual tri-lobed version...but,the var.integriuscula was officially dropped from the taxonomic literature as a legitimate variety because it was found that Ipomoea hederacea can carry for both leaf shapes...

The integriuscula entry should probably be removed and I.hederacea with cordate leaves entered to the main I.hederacea entry...a notation in the caption mentioning the integriuscula or "Entire Leaf Morning Glory" would be in order...

The leaves and stem here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5579787
look to be consistent with Ipomoea tricolor,but not possible to determine if it is "Flying Saucers"...although I would say that it is likely to be either "Flying Saucers" or "Blue Star" as it looks like it is a plant that was grown from light colored seed...

Lili - When you move your head,be sure that your eyes move move with your head (don't keep your eyes rigidly fixed on the same spot)...the flowers will then display the back and forth shifting that makes them appear to 'flicker' back and forth...

You can also see this phenomenon if you have a number of "Flying Saucers" photo on the screen and scroll past them quickly...I've also sen this on other flowers like gazania...flowers which have bold stripes that contrast with certain other colors produce this effect...

Jackie - Darold Decker selected the Flying Saucers out of his huge fields of Ipomoea tricolor 'Pearly Gates"...the color pattern in the Flying Saucers is the equivalent to the flaked pattern in the Ipomoea purpureas...so,solids along with flaked blooms are possible...

TTY,..

Ron

Jackie - Beautiful YB!!! What a color!!! Love it! Lovely photo of your FS! I am hopeful that what I have growing IS Flying Saucers. The packet appears to be "purple" color. Does FS produce purple blooms?

I hear ya, Karen! I can't get enough of Moonflowers! And the scent is wonderful!

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Thanks Ron! The leaves on my vine do look a lot like Blue Star leaves. We shall see when it finally decides to bloom. Looks like I have a number of vigorous growing vines this time around! :-)

Oh, my giant white moonvine bloomed tonight. I'll have to download my pictures and post. It is so beautiful. I was out of town the last time my moonvine bloomed.

I'd love to see pictures of your moonvine, Lili. This far north, under the monster trees hanging over my garden, moonvines give just one or a few flowers at a time. But where you are, they must really be something.

Blue, Karen, thank you so much for the link. That thread has everything but the
multi-colored bloom. Since I had the months wrong, I bet I can find the original pic
if I look in Oct and Nov. So happy you are enjoying the Blue Mt Fuji not. It blooms early for me too. All in all, a great m glory. I would be glad to send Frank some of
those seeds. Just dmail me Frank.
Ron, thanks for that info. Since it can also throw a solid, that explains my solid blue bloom from the same vine.
Becky, thanks. The good news is Yag blizzard is busy making seed pods so we
will have plenty of seeds.

Found my original weird Flying Saucers bloom, posted Oct 18, 06 in thread # 08. I
thought it was the strangest thing I had ever seen with 3 different blooms
on the same vine. Thanks again Karen for helping me pinpoint the date

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=2824206

i found this pic on the net... similar to the effect you get from flying saucers.
colin

Patootie, yes, that FS is strange, indeed. What might be great for us to do in this forum would be to record what was going on in the immediate environment of a flower when it does something like that; e.g., changes over the preceding 24 hours in temperature, light, chemicals (for instance, could you have polished nearby furniture with lemon Pledge? lol), weather anomalies (did a storm come up...barometer, electrical shenanigens, etc.), what kind of music might have been playing (hip-hop or Paganini?) etc. Very interesting and beautiful flower.

Colin, lots of patterns, there...some make me think of patterns formed by iron filaments between oppositely charged poles...well, we are all electric, aren't we? Imagine if we could see the Morning Glory Electric...which would be a hop and a skip to the electromagnetic spectrum...somewhere I think flowers have been photographed relative to their auras...wonder if Xeramtheum ever tried this? I think Ron was the one to first tickle my brain cells in this area...hopefully he'll chime in here

I've been eyeing these buds for a while now. Finally, one opened last night. Still have plenty of buds left - may be 5 or 6. Can't tell. It's a jungle out there...

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