CULINARY HERBS

zhinu - oh yeah!

Betty, do you normally get herb plants or do you prefer to sow your own seeds? All these herbs make me impatient! now, now, now !

I'll add it to my want list. Any other edible sages you think I should get?

Is there enough interest in a seed swap for herbs only? I have been harvesting mine and have seeds out on paper plates all over. I used to dry them in my window garden but recently learned to avoid bright light . I would be willing to host if there is enough interest.

Nannie, I start a lot of my plants from seed. But, some herbs only come true to form vegetatively, so I'll get plants then. Or, if seed germination rates are very low, sometimes I'll go seed anyway, sometimes I'll get the plant if I see it in my travels.

This is a listing of what I have:

Chamomile (German) Matricaria Recutita

Basils:
Cinnamon
Genovese
Lemon
Lime
Oriental ( Thai, Lemon)
Oriental (Thai Magic)
Siam Queen
Sweet (Albahaca)

Catnip (nepeta cataria)

Chervil curly

Chives (allium sibiricum)

Cilantro (coriander)

Dill, mammoth (Anethum graveolens)

Fennel aromatic (foeniculum vulgare)

Garlic (allium tuberosum)

Hibiscus Lemon Slice Manihot

Marjoram sweet (mejorani)

Mint (mentha spicata)
Mint Spearmint (rotundifolia)

Oregano (mejorana)

Parsley, Hahan flat leaf
Parsley, Dark Green Italian (perijil)

Rosemary (romero)

Sage Broadleaf (Salvia)

Tansy (tanacetum vulgare)

Thyme (tomillo)

Sesame Black (Sesamum Indicum)

Yarrow Achillea)

In January Mixed Seed Nuts http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/866687/ is doing tomatoes and herbs swap.

Thanks, I might join them.
mittsy

mittsy - The Mixed Seed Nuts are a great group, quite talkative, but a great group. Here is their main thread http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/885901/

LOL. Laura, quite talkative is an understatement, ^_^ ^_^

Now see..." But, some herbs only come true to form vegetatively,"
that's something else I need to learn about!

NAN,
I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD LIST OF HERBS THAT ONE CAN GERMINATE FROM SEEDS IF YOU WWOULD LIKE ME TO SEND IT.
RUSSELL

Russell, that would be helpful if you dont mind.

I have ordered a book called "The Big Book of Herbs" so hopefully I'll be an expert soon ^_^ hahaha

VORTREKER - I'd like that list too!

Russell, look what you started! This is herb madness and it's all good!

Sunday I started these BASIL seeds:

Cinnamon
Bush Spicy Globe
Purple
Lemon

72 Peat Pots. You think I'll make friends?

I CANNOT GET THE PROPAGATION LIST TO FORMAT PROPERLY HERE. THE LAST ENTRY TO THE RIGHT IS BEST PROPAGATION METHOD. AN "X" MEANS IT CAN BE STARTED IN PEAT POTS AND TRANSPLANTED WITH NO ROOT ABUSE.
I WOULD BE GLAD TO E-MAIL IT TO ANYONE WHO HAS EXCEL.
THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR CONTINUING THIS THREAD

SCIENTIFIC NAME PLANT TIME TYPE DOES NOT TRANSPLANT WELL PROPAGATE
ANNATTO Bixa orellana TP SEED
AJOWAN Carum copticum SP A X SEED
Angelica Angelica archangelica TRY IN FALL B SEED
Anise Pimpinella anisum FALL TA X SEED
Anise-Hyssop Agastache foeniculum FALL P
SEED
Annatto Bixa orellana L. SP TP X SEED
ASAFOETIDA Ferula asafoetida F EARLY SPRING P TO 0F SEED
Basil Ocimum basilicum SP TP SEED,ROOT DIVISION, CUTTINGS IN WATER
Black Pepper Piper nigrum ANY TP GO
FRESH SEED, STEM CUTTINGS
BORAGE Borago officinalis SP-FALL A X SEED
Caraway Oreomyrrhis eriopoda FALL B SEED
CARDAMOM Ellettaria cardamomum SP TP RHIZOME DIVISION
Celeriac Apium graveolens FALL B SEED
CILANTRO CORIANDER Coriandrum sativum FALL-SEPT A X SEED
Cress, UPLAND Barbarea verna SP/FALL SEPT-FEB B SEED
CUBAN OREGANO Plectranthus amboinicus
SP TP LEAF PLANTINGS-EASY
CULANTRO Eryngium foetidum TP
SEED
Cumin Cuminum cyminum FALL A X SEED
Dill Anethum graveolens FALL A X SEED
Epazote Chenopodium graveolens SP TP SEED
FENNEL BRONZE Foeniculum vulgare cv BRONZE SP TP X SEED
FENNEL SWEET Foeniculum vulgare ANY TP X SEED
Fenugreek -Trigonella foenum-graecum SP A X SEED
FRENCH SORREL DIVISION
GALANGA CHINESE GINGER (FINGERROOT) Boesenbergia pandurata ROOT DIVISION
GARLIC FALL CLOVES
Horseradish Aromotacia Rusticana SP P ROOT DIVISION
HYSSOP Hyssopus officinalis SP-FALL P SEED
INDIAN CURRY LEAF TREE Murraya koenigii ANY TP>65F propagated by growing the small suckers from the base of the tree, by root cutting, or by seed
Lemon Balm Melissa officinalis SP P FALL DIVISION, SUMMER CUTTINGS
LEMON VERBENA Aloysia triphylla SP TP SOFT WOOD CUTTINGS
LEAF CELERY Apium graveolens var. secalinum SP B SEED
Lemongrass East Indian Cymbopogon flexuosus SP TP SEED
Lemongrass West Indian Cymbopogon citratus SP TP STALK IN WATER
LICORICE Acorus gramineus SP P SEED
Lovage FALL P SEED
MARJORAM Origanum majorana
HHP SEED
MEXICAN TARRAGON
SEED
Mint Mentha sp SP P CUTTTINGS IN WATER
MUSTARD White Mustard (Brassica alba or Brassica hirta) is a round hard seed, beige or straw coloured. Its light outer skin is FALL A SEED
Nigella Nigella orientalis SP A SEED
OREGANO Origanum vulgare P SEED
OREGANO, CUBAN Plectranhus sp COMPACT GREY TP LEAF
OREGANO, CUBAN 0 GOLDEN RUFFELS TP LEAF
PAPALO Porophyllum ruderale SP A SEED
Paprika Capsicum annuum
SP TP SEED
PAR-CEL SEE LEAF CELERY SEED
Parsley Petroselinum crispum FALL B SEED
Pepper, Black PIPER NIGRUM SP TP FRESH SEED, STEM CUTTINGS
Perilla, Green Perilla frutescens SP A SEED
Perilla, Purple Perilla frutescens SP A SEED
POLIOMINTHA MEXICAN OREGANO SP-FALL P SEED
Poppy Papaver somniferum OCT A-P SEED
Sage Salvia officinalis SP P FRESH SEED, DIVISION, LAYERING, STEM CUTTINGS IN SOIL
Savory SUMMER Satureja hortensis SP-FALL? A SEED
Savory (WINTER) Satureja montana SP-FALL P LAYERING
Sesame Sesamum indicum SP A SEED
Shiso (PERILLA) Perilla frutescens ? HHP
SEED
SOCIETY GARLIC Tulbaghia violacea SP P ROOT DIVISION
SORREL FRENCH Rumex scutatus SP P ROOT DIVISION
Stevia Stevia rebaudiana
SP TP SEED
Sweet Herb, Aztec Lippia dulcis
TP
SEED
THYME Thymus vulgaris P SEED
Turmeric (Yellow) Curcuma zedoria SP TP ROOT DIVISION
Turmeric (White) Curcuma longa SP TP ROOT DIVISION
Vanilla Vanilla planifolia- SP TP LONG CUTTIMGS
VANILLA GRASS Anthoxanthum odoratum SEED
WATERPEPPER Polygonum hydropiper 'Fastigiatum' SP A SEED
ZAATAR MARJORUM Origanum syriaca WW TP SEED
ZEDOARY Curcuma zedoaria TP RHIZOME DIVISION

THIS LIST PROBABLY MAKES A LITTLE MORE SENSE

ANNATTO SEED
AJOWAN SEED
Angelica SEED
Anise SEED
Anise-Hyssop SEED
Annatto SEED
ASAFOETIDA HORIZON HERBS
BANANA (BASA MASJOO) DIVISION
Basil SEED,ROOT DIVISION, CUTTINGS IN WATER
Black Pepper FRESH SEED, STEM CUTTINGS
BORAGE SEED
Caraway SEED
CARDAMOM RHIZOME DIVISION
Celeriac SEED
CILANTRO CORIANDER SEED
Cress, UPLAND SEED
CUBAN OREGANO LEAF PLANTINGS-EASY
CULANTRO SEED
Cumin SEED
Dill SEED
Epazote SEED
FENNEL BRONZE SEED
FENNEL SWEET SEED
Fenugreek SEED
FRENCH SORREL DIVISION
GALANGA CHINESE GINGER (FINGERROOT) ROOT DIVISION
GARLIC CLOVES
Horseradish ROOT DIVISION
HYSSOP SEED
INDIAN CURRY LEAF TREE propagated by growing the small suckers from the base of the tree, by root cutting, or by seed
Lemon Balm FALL DIVISION, SUMMER CUTTINGS
LEMON VERBENA SOFT WOOD CUTTINGS
LEAF CELERY SEED
Lemongrass East Indian SEED
Lemongrass West Indian STALK IN WATER
LICORICE SEED
Lovage SEED
MARJORAM SEED
MEXICAN TARRAGON SEED
Mint CUTTTINGS IN WATER
MUSTARD SEED
Nigella SEED
OREGANO SEED
OREGANO, CUBAN LEAF
OREGANO, CUBAN LEAF
PAPALO SEED
Paprika SEED
PAR-CEL SEED
Parsley SEED
Pepper, Black FRESH SEED, STEM CUTTINGS
Perilla, Green SEED
Perilla, Purple SEED
POLIOMINTHA SEED
Poppy SEED
Sage FRESH SEED, DIVISION, LAYERING, STEM CUTTINGS IN SOIL
Savory SUMMER SEED
Savory (WINTER) LAYERING
Sesame SEED
Shiso (PERILLA) SEED
SOCIETY GARLIC ROOT DIVISION
SORREL FRENCH ROOT DIVISION
Stevia SEED
Sweet Herb, Aztec SEED
THYME SEED
Turmeric (Yellow) ROOT DIVISION
Turmeric (White) ROOT DIVISION
Vanilla LONG CUTTIMGS
VANILLA GRASS SEED
WATERPEPPER SEED
ZAATAR MARJORUM SEED
ZEDOARY RHIZOME DIVISION

Moonglow...I'm certain of it ! =)

Thanks Vortreker!

thanks, russell.

nanniepb, they are such little darlings. i'm looking for a thread when to transfer them to bigger pots. i worry they might dry out in that little greenhouse. google-google...

Moonglow,

You can transfer them soon after they get their first "true" leaves

I think I'll start on a smaller scale =).

Isn't it too hot to start seeds in Aug to plant in the fall? I'd worry about them not making it. I guess I thought I had to wait for spring. Although our winters seem to have been much milder the past 3 yrs.

Hi,

I haven't posted in this thread before, but check the herbs forum occasionally. Just wanted to let carrielamont know that she needn't be too worried about the tarragon plant. I bought two French tarragon plants from a nursery three years ago and asked if the plants would come back after the Winter. She assured me that they would --- that they (the nursery) had occasionally lost a different herb or two, but never the tarragon.

Sure enough, they die right back to the ground, but this is the third Summer that they're going strong. (One of them more than the other as my mother seems to like to run over the second one every now and again!)

I am developing a complex here! I live in France (in about zone 7b) and French tarragon refuses to overwinter for me, while it does so for all you folks in colder climates. Maybe I need to [shudder!!!] move north! I just harvest a bunch of stems from my plant and am drying them in anicipation of another bunch of branches before I move my baby indoors for the winter!

Potagere - do you get prolonged cold weather; like freezing weather that sticks around for several days? That could be the difference. I leave my spider plant out during the winter, and it does just fine, unless we get a prolonged freeze or standing snow, then I have to bring it in or it dies to the ground. We rarely have even two day where it stays below freezing all day. We might have really cold nights, but the days warm up, so the roots don't stay frozen.

The zones are kind of misleading sometimes. WA has almost the same zones as NM, NM actually has areas that get colder then WA, but what I can easily grow and what someone in NM can easily grow are very different. You need to also look at average temp during summer and winter, maybe even spring for propagation, how long is the growing season, how much rain, on average how many rainy days during the growing season. We rarely get hard rains or hale for instance, Vicksburg, MS and Olympia get about the same amount of rain but Vicksburg has about half the number of rainy days.

So it's probably something other then just temp. that is causing you to lose you tarragon. If you can figure out what it is, you might be able to come up with a solution.

Don't get a complex, I kill EVERYTHING! But thanks very much for the good news, McCool. Yours are in the ground, not a pot, I imagine?

zhinu, i agree about the zones can be misleading sometimes. in reality, corte madera has a temperate climate. never too hot, never too cold. it gives me the courage to start seeds late, nanniepb.

corte madera has an average temperature of around 59 degrees, with an average maximum temperature of 70 degrees and an average low of 48. from luly to september, highs get into the 80s. the coldest months are november and december.

potagere, i miss france! when the usd becomes stronger, off i go =).

thanks for the info, mccool. a good reminder for me to start tarragon as well.

Tarragon can't be started from seed, I'm :( sorry to tell you.

and yet, seeds are sold...how come?

Moonglow, Carrie is right --- unfortunately you can't start French Tarragon from seed. You can get seeds for Russian Tarragon, but that's an entirely different plant and likely not the one you want. ( I found out the hard way!)

Carrie, yes, my French Tarragon is in the ground, not in pots. (Mom hasn't run over pots --- YET.)

The cool thing is that it can be bought readily. LOL. Thanks.

=)

Maybe Russian tarragon is pretty, or easy, or smells good? I DON'T know why they would sell seeds otherwise. On the other hand, half the seeds they sell are on some state's invasives list, for whatever that's worth, so they sell what people will buy.

It's amazing what google can bring. I googled away between postings. I'm just happy there are quite a few reputable nurseries close by.

On an even happier note, more seeds are coming my way...

Oriental Sweet Basil:
Purple Stem
Green Joy
Thai Magic

Thai Holy Basil:
Green Leaf
Red Leaf

Thai Sweet Basil:
Purple Crown

Vietnamese Mint

Busy, busy, busy...

If I can find potting supplies tomorrow, (yay, i get to go to the city ) I'm going to jump in head first. But that means I have to trade my sewing room into a room with only one window, where as I have 5 windows now.

the plants win, no?

Yes, Laura, lots of prolonged below freezing days. My tarragon dies, but my Asiatic mustards thrive. Which reminds me, it's time to plant more seeds!

Oh, Moonglow, I am envious. You have just made me hungry! It's time to make Thai curry!

Potagere - Heavy mulching might help or there are probably other ways to help prevent freezing, but I don't know them.

MOONGLOW HAS ALL THE SYMPTOMS OF CULINARY HERB MADNESS---:)

I have yet to discern any evidence that moonglow actually has used, is currently using or intends to use these herbs for their intended purpose: FOOD! If they are being raised for other purposes, that IS madness!!!

LOL POTAGERE

My DH doesn't like the taste of rosemary! DD#2 picks out the basil in the tomato sauce. I live among savages. (I cook with my herbs! Nobody else EATS it.)

I can see it now...another labor day weekend telethon for CHM in the future.

oh, and quit picking on moonglow; she's my new best friend.
(remember those 72 new basil plants) ^_^

I need to order peat pots, trays, etc., in the mail since our local stores are making room for fall now. Any favorite mail orders?

i was/am so swamped at work i was experiencing "withdrawal" symptoms...can't even take a peek at CH anonymous...LOL.

(so, it's not weird to go home, to tend to your herbs, or is it? - - - or pot up a seedling or two during lunch break?)