Morning glories 2007 # 03

Thanks Ron! I`m sure having fun going through these vines. I`ll see if this one comes back later on.

Hi Arlan, Great to see you back here. Those are awesome pictures. I`m very interested in these double flowered and split petaled Japanese Morning Glories. You are the one who got me started checking these out.

Guess what? It happened again. This one flower is in a pretty good sized grow out from where I crossed a picotee with a youjiro and then these are the F2s.Many are plain looking single flowers.

This one has bloomed double again. This flower had a pistil so I pollinated it. I have been awakening before the alarm since this one began to get buds!

Here is a side view. Gee, I`m all grins today. :)

Arlan, This one is so fascinating...!!!

http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=3538545

I love that one...so cool !!!

I think your blue one is Hama No Sora. That is one of my favorite blue ones.

Karen

That is a great looking petaloid type flower,Karen! You are on track for a very interesting JMG future! I love it!

I believe the Hama no Sora is from your seed ..I'll have to check.

This one was supposed to be a large flowered speckled plant called Kushiro. It is instead an interesting cup flowered plant with speckles. I have two plants growing from Joseph's seed that are supposed to have flowers similar to this one as well..

...edited to correct spelling..

a bit of a dramatic representation...!

This message was edited May 26, 2007 1:37 PM

Arlan, It probably did come from me and it is

(((( Hama No Sora ))))

...probably you are looking at my crummy handwriting! eeek. :)

This message was edited May 27, 2007 8:52 AM

Thanks for the correction. Karen! I doubt it is your handwriting..probably my thumbs!

This flower is from the other plant from the Kushiro seed....probably a hybrid.

This message was edited May 26, 2007 1:37 PM

Arlan, I`m still learning and on a regular basis I totally butcher the names..especially the Japanese ones. :)

I can`t get over this one. It looks like it could fly away like a butterfly.

http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=3538532

This message was edited May 26, 2007 1:47 PM

Arlan - This one here
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=3538577
looks like a hirosaki cross

and this one
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=3538600
looks like a standard blizzard cross...

Both nice,but definitely NOT what was depicted by the merchant as Kushiro...

When paying top dollar for seeds >top quality control should also be inherent in the product...

TTY,...

Ron

Yep, and I have some interesting finds in my garden too from open pollinated seeds. I have decided to not even save any open pollinated seeds unless I want to experiment and then I`ll keep them seperate from the hand pollinated ones.

I`m already deadheading the vines to avoid open pollinated seeds and beginning to bag and tie with yarn to ID. I am spreading some pollen between vines in the same variety to keep some genetic diversity but the open seeds are too uncertain to risk another person`s disappointment.

All my hand pollinated seed test grow outs came out True and the results are pleasing to me. So the bagging,tying of blooms and test growing seem to greatly increase favorable results.


This message was edited May 28, 2007 8:34 AM

Ron, I agree. These plants are definitely not what were represented by the merchant. I bought 3 seeds, planted two with this result. I am disappointed in that I was counting on the large flowered speckled genes for my projects. I also purchased Shikanoko, with the same result. Neither of the Shikanoko plants look like each other and are not speckled....

This one, http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=3538577 , looks very much like the "Kishukumennba Shiroji Murasaki Fukkakesibori Daizaki" that I'm growing from Joseph's seed. The plant, leaf and growth patterns are similar if not identical, and Joseph's is supposed to have purple speckled cup flowers also...

This one, http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=3538600 , I agree, looks like a standard F1 cross with dominant blizzard. Because it has a base color of purple, it could be a hybrid from a purple speckled flower, and be a carrier of the speckled genes (there are two different genes identified that need to be present..) The leaf structure is very basic also, which often is characteristic of the F1 of divergent crosses.

Karen, your efforts are to be commended! Because of the limited time I have at home, I have adopted some general practices that work for me... As I am interested in the variation, and know my plants, I can spot the occasional hybrid and decide what to do with it... I protect only for the seed I need to cleanly perpetuate, preserve or create the line. But then, others are not depending upon me to supply representative seed. If I trade, I will clearly identify whether or not the seed was open pollinated... Even unprotected, the default for me has typically been self pollintated seed, with only the occasional hybrid.

Karen, the second plant from your lavender star seed has flowered...a beautiful lavender star flower with yellow leaves!

Arlan

I haven`t yet seen a large flowered speckelty. :)

One of my s`posed to be speckelty (I`m kidding...speckled) vines has sported a solid lavender flower...awww!!!

Well, I`m toying around with the idea of hand pollinating those and doing a grow out of about 30 plants and hopefully get 2-3 speckled vines out of that....and boy I sure hope the supplier didn`t just get the seeds mislabeled. :)

Learning stuff isn`t always fun is it?

Arlan, Yes,the picotees have a high rate of selfing and they were grown in a nook away from the others but still a very few look like they are crossed.

Don`t buy chachamaru open pollinated because they are typically low or no pollen. They Will 90% be crossed. I found one single vine of Chachamaru that was releasing pollen from the anthers and I quickly marked that one and have begun to bag those blooms. I`m hoping this will promote some fertility in the Chachamaru.



This message was edited May 28, 2007 11:34 AM

For my picture today this one came out interesting.

Karen, that positively glows, very nice.


Arlan, loved all your blooms from a couple of days ago.
Especially liked the bloom right above Dai.
Love the shape of the petals.

Jackie

I concur with Jackie, what an awesome flower, Karen!

Joseph

Here is Q0426 I got from Arlan. What a treat and it only has 2 leaves on it!

Joseph

Another view of Q0426.

Here is a critter whose name was told to me as 'Ki Chirimenba Shiroji Murasaki Fukkake Shibori Daizaki'. I like the specks of darker color on the vine and the leaves, don't they look like Q0426?




This message was edited May 28, 2007 3:58 PM

Here is one called 'Ki Chirimen Rinpunba Murasaki Daizaki', it has some really odd looking leaves emerging, and there are these growths at the base of the cotyledons.

It is odd because that last odd looking one came out of the same packet as this one:

Here is one that came out of the packet that should give flowers that look like 'Ten Ten'; the packet came to me with this identification: 'Ao (Ki) Fuiri Uzuba Aka Beni Fukkake Shibori Kikyo'. I have some others growing from that packet in addition to this one are growing like the Q751 I grew last year, but this one pictured below, it has a stem that extends much higher than the rest. It is not a good picture, but maybe you can make out the lighter stripes on the stem and the streaks on the leaf stems.

Here's a leaf with flower bud of Ipomoea lindheimeri.

One last one, it is 'Shiro Murasaki Shibori Kongo'. It is starting to make some nicely textured leaves.

Joseph, Wow!, great pictures of very interesting plants. I'll be back with more comments and observations later... - Arlan

Nice plants, Joseph!

Here's a leaf from a Merremia tuberosa seed I got from Ron. I'm amazed at how fast this is growing - over 15" since 5/21!

Nichole

This message was edited May 28, 2007 6:26 PM

Thanks, Nichole! That's a cool looking vine too!

Joseph

I love the adventure in this series of threads and everyone's sharing of their discoveries - perfect match of experience and flower

I love all of these...very cool stuff going on!

Now I`m fixing to go discover new blooms..but first I must discover some more chores in caring for all these beauties!

I am just in awe of all these new ideas, varieties, minds going.. can't even imagine how this is going to affect the Morning Glory World of the future in the U.S.

Hey Joseph!

Your Q0426 plant is looking good! As the leaves are only cupped and not dragonclawed, this plant will not have the feathered flowers. It looks to be cordate leaved, so would not carry the feathered gene either. Seed from this plant will not perpetuate the Q0426 line. If it had tri-lobed leaves, then it would be carrying the feathered gene and could perpetuate the line. It probably will have intense blue single flowers as none of my cordate leaved plants were ever duplicate flowered. They are pretty flowers none the less.!!

Your plant here: http://davesgarden.com/forums/p.php?pid=3545716 , is showing interesting characteristics! The specks of darker color on the hypocotyl indicate that it should have speckled flowers - purple specks indicated by "Murasaki". The part of the name, "Ki", indicate yellow leaves, and the "daizaki" means cup flowered - so it has the crepe gene causing the cup flower. I don't know what the rest of the name indicates other than the "Chirimenba" describes the leaves ("ba"=leaf), and the "Shiroji Murasaki Fukkake Shibori " describes the purple speckled flower....

The plant here: http://davesgarden.com/forums/p.php?pid=3545727 , is obviously a mutant of some kind ..maybe a miniature or could it be fasciated? The word "rinpunba" is the "forest wind leaf" caused by the dominant Blown (B) gene. This leaf has a wide attachment to the petiole, and it also gets wavey and distorted a bit, making it look like its quaking and shimmering like an aspen leaf in the wind..... If you look closely at your second plant here: http://davesgarden.com/forums/p.php?pid=3545736 , you can see characteristics of this Blown leaf starting to develop. This more normal looking plant may be the carier for the mutations shown in the first rinpunba plant. The rest of the name indicates a purple cup flower! Cool plants...definitely save any and all seed!

Read more about the Blown factor here: http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/Asagao/Yoneda_DB/E/PCD2523/htmls/36.html

My Q0751 plant from your seed is now setting buds....I just hope I'm home when it first blooms!

Arlan

Here is a Heian Umi flower from this morning...

Arlan,

Thank you for explaining the meaning to the names of the plants! I learn so much in this forum! I appreciate your expertise and everyone else's who participates in these discussion threads.

Joseph

Here is a very pale blue one with some nice foilage.

side view:

And this is Yuuzuki (sp?) from this morning.

gardener2005 - The light blue looks like one I used to grow and was just called "Blue Boy"...I haven't grown it out in a few years >although the flowers look very similar...Blue Boy has non-varigated trilobed leaves...

The Yuuzuki is Ipomoea nil...
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/85799/

TTY,...

Ron

Hi Ron,

Here is the package from Japan where my Yuuzuki seeds came from.


This message was edited May 31, 2007 10:16 AM

I meant (sp?) as in I wasn`t sure how to spell the name of yuuzuki. I believe that is right.

Here is the foilage on the light blue nil above. I thought the foilage was nice and then when it bloomed a pale blue with a white throat I thought the combination of foilage and flower was favorable. I will grow this one again.




This message was edited May 31, 2007 4:44 PM

This might be silly, but does anyone deadhead their morning glories to keep 'em producing?

I think they will only make a flower at new leaf axils so if you take the seed heads off all you will be doing is ensuring you won't have any seeds to collect. At least that has been my personal observation with JMGs.

Joseph

Here is one more picture of Yuuzuki from an angle showing how the flowers have a draped affect. Ya`ll have a great day! Karen

I deadhead some of morning glory vines if I`d rather have less seeds being produced of that particular variety.