In contact with someone at Kyushu

We finally got someone from Kyushu to respond to our emails and know where the seeds are being auctioned. I'm currently bidding on 3 mutant type of MG seeds and they are not selling them cheap or give you more than 5 each.
The following description text was translated using software.....

Blue needle leaf nandina white sword �� (tube ��) peony coming out B-34
Blue variegated crepe dragonfly leaf branch perpendicular stands �� (mauve) A-40
Blue normal �� leaf white circular �� white seeds B-21

I'm looking at some others but will wait and see how we do this first time around.

Bidding on this one too.

and this one too.
Hey Arlan, I think this is the one with the gene called "ca white.

Be still my heart!! Beautiful!!

Stunning!

The auction prices are outrageous and I'm not sure how easy it is to win.
I'll be back online tomorrow when our group meets.

This message was edited Feb 23, 2007 10:07 PM

That is great news! I've got to run now, but I'll be back later when I've got some time to research the descriptions. They are very interesting....I believe the second one is a non-twining vine that truly weeps and has mauve cup flowers, where the flower tube turns down on itself, leaving a protruding button in the center of the flower. The leaves will be green and variegated with the long protruding center lobe (dragonfly). They will be slightly wrinkled from the crepe gene which also causes the cup flower.

So there are multiple auction rounds...?

Arlan

MGJapan,

The "Blue needle leaf nandina" part of the name refers to a geen leaf (as opposed to a yellow leaf) that will be finely divided with probably 5 (from the maple gene) deeply cut lobes (almost like a compound leaf). These traits are the result of a combination of the maple gene and the acccuminate gene.

The "white sword �� (tube ��)" part refers to a smallish white flower with a somewhat elongated tube, where the tips of the rays extend beyond the edge of the corolla. Because the maple gene is also present, the corolla may be shallowly cut into 5 separate segments with the tube intact. Here is a reference to the sword flower: http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/Asagao/Yoneda_DB/E/PCD2523/htmls/39.html

The "peony coming out" refers to the fact that it carries the duplicate gene which can cause some (25%) of the flowers to be doubled and sterile (producing no seed). The plant with the beautiful double flowers is called the "second hand article of appreciation!"...the reason the system is maintained. Seed can only be produced from the single flowers, and only certain plants (2/3 of the single flowered) will carry the duplicate gene, and perpetuate the system.

The earlier description of the second type is accurate and the third type is pretty much self explanitory.

All are very coveted types and will be a lot of fun for you to grow! Good Luck.

Arlan

Arlan, thank you very much for the information and yes there are multiple auction rounds. Which one are you interested in?

MGJapan,

Of the ones you listed, I would be most interested in the first two. The first because of the maple gene, and the second because of the weeping gene.

Is there a website that lists the varieties up for auction? I can translate it.

Arlan

Your browser will not support compression and you would need Japanese version window XP. I tried Rikai and Google using english windows XP and keep getting the compression error.

My satuday and sundays are very busy and I'll be back online later. These are some of the other seeds available. I missread the ad and they are offering 18 seeds of each type.

Yellow nandina leaf extremely pale pink sword �� (tube ��) B-20
Blue variegated Tsubame leaf crimson marginal variegation small circles �� B-37
Yellow strike crepe �� circular leaf white stands �� A-23

This picture is is B-20

MGJapan the picture of the B-20 is so soft looking. Luv it!!
:) Donna

Hi Donna,

Yes, it is beautiful. They only post one picture in the listing and we use the same picture.

MGJapan, thanks for the browser info. I guess I didn't realize that there is a whole other world out there that I can not access! My limited concept of the scope of the internet just took a major adjustment!

The additional seed offers are also very interesting. I'm thinking that B-37 may be very close to the plants we call Cameo Elegance, BeniChidori and MiniBar Rose. Here is a strain called Q0777 that is also very similar: http://davesgarden.com/journal/j/si/103339/

Arlan

Here is a picture of B-37 but it looks nothing like the plants you call Cameo Elegance, BeniChidori and MiniBar Rose. It does not have the white around the outage edge of the flower and the leaves looks different too. I'll be back online later this evening but that might be past midnight for you in USA. TTYL

Arlan, I looked at some of the flowers you mention and you are correct they do look simular. My mistake as I thought the one you posted was what you were refering to. I got it you were showing me shomething of interest.
Got to run now but will check back later.

MGJapan, you are correct about the presence of some white margin on the referenced group and the lack of white margin on B-37, and I think that B-37 looks like it is more red or crimson than my Q0777. This could be just a photographic difference due to lighting etc. I believe the leaf types are similar, showing the "crystal" variegation. Thanks for the picture.

Arlan

This is a picture of A-23

Interesting! From the description,

I was expecting a white flower! It is a nice lavender type color though. You can see the protuding cup in the center of the flowers.

Yes, I agree that the discription is vague.

I got the first 3 set of seeds today and they added A-17 as a gift. 20 seeds ea. in screws on capsules.

Looked A-17 up in the database and not sure with what we came up with therefore contacting them now to be sure..
I'll post what the seeds look like later. Can't wait to start sowing.

Not sure about the picture but got someone working on it.

This message was edited Mar 8, 2007 7:30 PM

Pretty cool how they ship the seeds.

MGJ ...
Pretty Awesome how they ship their seeds.

Emma

wow what pretty flowers. wow that redish burgunday one is awesome. neat way to ship seeds. Marie

Yeah I guess they want to keep them as fresh as possible. Looks like something from a science lab.

OK this is a picture of the A-17 and It's a blue crepe type. My wife used the kanji on the package to search for it in the Kyushu database and it came up. Some of the translated text follows.....

Cp (crepe) crepe crepe origin: From the fact that the surface of the leaf (you call the formation) to become small, are similar to the crepe of the textile goods rugged the designation cotyledon: The normality usually the leaf: The surface of the leaf to be small becomes rugged. Rough rugged ones the sand �� (are done slipping) also say. There is many a thing which the wing piece shows irregular shape. When strike (cm) with it unites and is brought together it holds strongly. Those where the leaf is normal are called cp-r (crepe-reversed) the common leaf stand �� with, (Q533 and the like). Flower: Now then the flower tube turns back, springing out, the stand �� (is to come) with it is called

ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE!

Emma

wow!!!!!

Very nice example of a "cupped" flower! Because the corolla is cut, I'm thinking that in addition to the cp (crepe) gene, it may have the m (maple) gene as well, which cuts the flower this way as well as causes 5 cut lobes on the leaves - like a maple leaf. I have seen these flower types refered to as "windmill" or "car (?)".

Beautiful color of blue!

Arlan

Absolutely beautiful blue flower!! I love it!!

I am trying to warm up to the "cupped" flowers. They bother me because they remind me either of hibiscus or an "outie" belly button.

Oooh, I luv the belly button one...lol!
:) Donna

Thanks guys. This will be a first for me to grow the "cupped" flowers and a few others. Have any of you mixed cow manure with your planting soil for growing morning glory?

I have used horse manure because I have horses and it's handy. I don't like cow manure much because I think its nasty and smells bad. But that's just my preference, I think it works fine for a soil additive.

ByndeweedBeth thanks. OK I'll put the horse manure on my to buy list. They sell them both at the local garden shops. I'll try growing with and without manure and record the results. It will be a first for me.

I like the horse manure better because horses do not digest the matter they eat as well as cows do. When the undigested fiber is mixed in the soil it has the property of keeping the growing medium light and "open" where air can still get in. The only trouble with either cow or horse manure is that if it is untreated, you may get weed seeds introduced into your garden. Commercially prepared soil additives are heated to kill any weed seeds and that IS an advantage.

OK thanks for the info. They both are sold in pre packaged 5 and 10 lb bags. With all the different types that I'll be growing this season just want to give the plant their best chance. arigato.

I tried a bit of horse manure this year. We have a miniature horse and we also keep a large compost pile for the right kind of scraps and the trimmings from the garden. I dug around in it today to get some compost to mix in the soil and it looks real nicely broken down,black and full of big fat earthworms.

This message was edited Mar 8, 2007 7:05 PM

I'm looking for any unusual MG seeds that I may not have and will trade for B-34, A-40, B-21, A-17.