What kind of JMG is this again?

I posted this one before but wanted to share again. This one made a couple seed pods that were getting eaten by pests and I had to rescue them. The parent vine died and the few seeds were my only hope. They sure looked rather green and not so good but I went ahead and planted and crossed my fingers and even prayed. :)

Well they sprouted and came back. They are speckled with a solid star in the middle with a white throat. The leaves are variegated and heart shaped. One flower had some blue spots mixed in with the purple like the parent plant but not as obvious. Maybe that will develop more later or show up again later.

I think the pattern is neat and wonder what kind they are since they breed true.

This message was edited Oct 19, 2006 9:58 AM

These are a bit washed out looking from the constant rain and some of these have more distinct speckling than others even on the same vine but they all are very pretty I think. I thought everyone would enjoy the pictures.

I certainly have been checking out pictures(Arlan`s sure are way cool!) but don`t always have time to comment right away!

gardener2005 - They look like "Candystripe Purple" based on the blizzard corolla and the slightly varigated heart shaped leaves...the "Tie Dyes" usually have trilobed leaves...CSP has beige seeds and the blue and purple Tie Dye have dark colored seeds...unless you have a new 'something' or other...

TTY,...

Ron

These are petite flowers about 3 inches at most and the vines are doing well to reach 3 feet in heigth. They would be ideal for container growing. The seeds are brown with a little darker brown stripe just like many other seeds of variegated leaf Japanese Morning Glories. All the flowers I have seen have the exact same pattern of darker color in the middle with speckling. There were some that had distict blue and purple spots which seemed unusual and it was warm weather at the time. All I can do is keep growing more and see what happens. If the rain would quit I could be able to see the colors better.

Thanks for giving them a name to go with their picture...but the seeds are not beige...so... Candy Stripe purple dark seed version? :)

gardener2005 - Hmmm...The plant must have picked up one of the dwarf genes if it only gets 3 feet long...and maybe the striped seed hitched a ride with the dwarf gene...pattern is definitely a blizzard...so >maybe Dwarf CandyStripePurple...if the plants actually continue to remain relatively short...

TTY,...

Ron

P.S. - seeds with a darker stripe along the middle of the back are almost always variegated,but not all varigated plants have striped seeds...

Speaking of seed color, I purchased some "blue star" seeds on ebay and some are dark while some are blondies...are they all the same variety of MG?

I`ll grow it again and again for a while and hand pollinate for a while to see if there is stability to the characteristics. I like it so it is worth keeping it going.

baolvera - Ipomoea tricolor cultivars "Blue Star" and "Flying Saucers" can have dark or light colored seeds,but the seeds should stilll have the elongated triangulated shape characteristic of Ipomoea tricolor...the light seeds produces plants with little or no pigmentation on the stems...the dark seeds produces plants with some reddish pigmentation visible on the stems...


TTY,...

Ron

Gardner2005,

That is an interesting plant. It looks like it has yellow leaves too!

Does it grow like the "Sunsmile series" with stems that don't really twine all that well and also are much shorter than normal?

Do you remember where it came from? Did you acquire it this way, or did it show up as an inadvertent hybrid? These things fascinate me, can't you tell! Have you grown other cordate leaved JMG's in the past? Any idea where the "dwarf" type growth could have come from?

Looks like you may have..."a new something or other!"

Okay, I'll quit! - Arlan

I don`t think it is a Sunsmile. The vines are delicate, twining and a climber with no help,there is a red color to the vines and the leaves are light green with speckled variegation.

I checked this morning and it is about reaching the end of the vine at 4 feet tall. This one came in a mix of seeds off of ebay. I`m unsure what all the requirements are to be dwarf. I will say these are petite for sure next to Miko No Mai which is humongous and swollows up trellis with huge leaves.

The seller didn`t know what kind they were. It caught my attention because this one little vine stuck out like a sore thumb among the bigger more robust growing vines. This one was not even halfway up the trellis and sporting these delicate looking heart shaped leaves and the flowers had a papery look to them and they were all speckly in the blizzard pattern. When it isn`t rainy and washing them out the color catches your eye. Needless to say I was upset when it got attacked by bugs and I was glad I was watching it close enough to save the half eaten seed pods.

I might try growing some of these on my desk top for fun...if my cat will leave it alone..she has to make sure I know something belongs to her first before she will leave it alone LOL :)


Here is one last picture of more of the vine. It isn`t a great picture but you can see more of its structure.

Oh yes I have been growing out some others with leaves this shape. The flower in this picture could be related to this one I first questioned about.

So far the very first flower I posted has shown one after another of the exact same blizzard pattern with no changes to blooms with more white. We will see if this continues after more generations.

Ron, is this picture a candy stripe purple or tie dye? It has bigger flowers and greener heart shaped variegated leaves than the one I was asking about. This one has different patterns in the colors with more white on some of the blooms which is different from the more stable pattern on the first one.

Here is a Hige pink I`m growing. I`m not sure I`m saying the name right btw so clarify if need be. It has large solid color heart shaped leaves.

This message was edited Oct 20, 2006 11:27 AM

And a close up. Enjoy! I love these...well I love them all!

Gardener, great close-up.

Nope, you are right, gardner2005, it is not the dwarf type that includes Sunsmile.

I wonder if the reduced size has anything to do with reduced vigor due to the yellow leaves. I have not grown enough yellow leaved plants yet to say that there is a huge difference in growth rate and stature between the green and the yellow leaved plants. Maybe some others will have a better feel for this....I just know that yellow leaved plants get "labeled" as having reduced vigor because of their reduced capacity to photosynthesize.

I really like your Hige....I've got seed, now I want to grow it!

Arlan

Thanks. The Hige pink has been a joy to grow. I see a few small seed pods but I took a look and some of the flowers have incomplete parts for propogation. I have been hand pollinating and transferring pollen to the flowers that have a pistil. It is helping and I`m seeing a few pods taking since I started helping out.

As far the yellow leaves I`m not sure either whether or not it has an impact on the size of the plant. It was this same size and looked like this during the hot summer so it isn`t temperature making it small. The Ukigumo has yellow leaves and grows to normal size and I know the picotees with yellow leaves I grew matched the green ones as far as size of flowers and growth. I believe it is true that less chlorophyll in the leaves makes it more delicate and not as strong as plants with a lot of chloropyll...which like you mentioned reduces photosynthesis. I`m sure Ron could articulate this better.

gardener2005 - The flower you are showing here
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/gardener2005_1161359061_272.jpg
does not appear exactly like a Candystripe Purple because the leaves are a lighter color green and the flower seems to produce the darker pigment consistently along the primary(and to a lesser extent) along the secondary folds...so > I think this darker pigmentation along the folds may be from a gene for a star pattern that is being partially expressed along with one of the blizzard genes...

This photo looks like a CandyStripe Purple based upon the heart shaped leaves,but it could be another exception to a general trend...
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/gardener2005_1161359685_949.jpg

The density and distribution of chlorophyll in the leaves is certainly one of a number of inter-related factors affecting the growth response of the plant...
genes for growth rate and length are also significant as well as a number of chlorophyll inter-related metabolic modifying chlorophyllins,flavins,flavones,flavonoids and other coloring and/or pigment related substances that affect the metabolism of the plant..

it is often the case that many of these coloring related substances are not always visible to the human eye due to the various combinations present...just like many colors in ostensibly 'green' leaves are often not visible to human eyes until the Autumnal weather temperatures make them visible to our eyes...

So >lowered overall amounts and densities of chlorophyll per se can often reduce the vigor of plants but >there are many additional factors which can act to counter-balance and compensate for overall amounts of chlorophyll...

Compensatory genetics and/or metabolic modifiers may(!) be present to offset lowered chlorophyll levels, but, are not always(!) present and are often not(!) present as compensatory factors for lowered chlorophyll levels...

A balance between the healthiest metabolic functioning in a cultivar and personal aesthetics is something for each individual to arrive at to suit their own sense of beauty and harmony...


TTY,...

Ron




This message was edited Oct 21, 2006 12:02 AM

Thanks for your comments, Ron.

Mother Nature has responsibility for an amazing and complex system! I am always in awe as we peel back the layers of the onion. - Arlan

Thanks Ron. I think since these are unknown seeds from a possibly open pollinated source all I can do is keep growing and enjoy them for a while before I come to conclusions about them.

This morning I noticed speckly(which is my own affectionate nickname like you would refer to a pet dog or cat..not my own official name for a new variety) this morning looking a bit contorted and ruffly. (This is possible because of cold so I`m not really exited about that.) I crossed speckly with the Hige since there was lots of pollen to go around. I worked on the Hige first with clean hands and when I was finished I then brought some pollen over to speckly and tagged a few as crosses with the hige pink. I hope that was a proper coupling and there are no ancient Japanese hybridizers turning in their graves or anything. :)

It looks like one of them from three or four days ago may have "took" from the appearance and firm attatchment. It should be interesting to see the results. I have a lot of experiments under way now for fun and enjoyment of my new hobby.

Gardner, you know that the Hige is an I. purpurea, right?!! - Arlan

No, I wasn`t even thinking about that at the time. Crosses between nil and purpurea have happened before but it sounds like it was not too successful. They did try it.

http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/Asagao/Yoneda_DB/E/relatives/04_2.html

If I`m attempting to cross two that cannot possibly take or hybridize and they Did take then that means there had to have been some pollen left in there and it selfed. It can`t hurt either way.

I did cross the hige with another of my picotees and another of my nils and all of the marked buds fell off within 3-5 days. It is real easy to tell if they don`t mix.

I`m a first year newbie at morning glories. Before last year I only grew Heavenly Blue and Scarlet O Hara. This year I have taken on more of an interest in morning glories. I have learned a lot in a short time and value what knowledge I have obtained and intend to put it to future use.

I`m experienced as a gardener but new at morning glories. I have no intentions of becoming an "overnight expert" on morning glories but I want to share from the viewpoint of someone who is learning.

Count on me to make mistakes...but that is why I`m here. To share experience and learn. :)







This message was edited Oct 21, 2006 2:46 PM

http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/Asagao/Yoneda_DB/E/relatives/04_3.html

Here is some more reading on the crosses. I`m sure Ron can help me out if I`m way off base even attempting to do the Hige x "speckly" cross. :)

I couldn`t help but see how my speckly resembled the rayflow flowers in a way that impelled me to try the cross. There was something in the feel and texture of the flower petals that seemed to pull me over there to try it out.

Again, I don`t think it will hurt anything . :)

Gardner2005, I agree with you 100 percent! It can't hurt trying...nothing ventured, nothing gained! I appologize if my comment sounded condescending to you. I certainly did not mean it that way! Like you, I am a first year MG grower who has learned tons this year, from everyone here and many websites like the one you referred to! I have always been interested in some of the techincal sides of this hobby...as I never got to use my biological studies in school as a vocation.

I especially liked the way you expressed your reasoning for these crosses..."There was something in the feel and texture of the flower petals that seemed to pull me over there to try it out."...That is what it is all about...following our heart!

I always follow your posts as I learn form your experience as well. There certainly is logic in the similarity of your speckly to rayflow as well..and what better JMG to use with Hige than one with some purpurea blood in it already! May your pods continue to develop...! Keep us posted.

Arlan

I`ll do some more under very strict controls just to be sure it is a full cross. But then I like to cross a few by simply mixing the pollen because that may increase chances of getting a pod to form in the first place if it is not an easy to do cross. The worst that would happen is a selfed seeded pod which isn`t such a bad thing.

I recall Ron mentioned something about more than one sperm being able to fertilize so mixed pollen might be a long shot but an idea worth trying in addition to full crosses. Again just some more rambling thoughts from gardener!

The planting next spring will be something to look forward to.

I did a cross this morning by putting the pink hige pollen on speckly. If this one takes then that will be neat I think. The pollen was not releasing on the speckly today for some reason so I couldn`t do any crosses with speckly pollen on the hige. I`ll try later.

Here is one more picture of a torn flower but still nice I think.

This message was edited Oct 22, 2006 11:39 AM

RON, you know so many MGs do you know this one and if so, do you think I would have much luck buying only 3 seeds? That's what offered and I haven't seen this before and I'm enamoured with the coloration.

HYPERLINK@cgi.ebay.com]

I bid on some of those fancy 45 dollar seeds and won some for 11.00 and one for 26.00 and another for 1.99 (whew!!!) and I did kind of wince a bit but I went ahead since I have a little experience and will be able to know what to expect. I will not be able to report anything about how they do until next year. Sorry,not much help! :)

You are thread hi-jacker btw. LOL :)

(I`m just ribbing you a little for fun!)

oops, sorry about the hi=jack

I'll watch my step from here on out.

No, it`s ok. :)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Japanese-Morning-Glory-Kikyosaki-Tenten_W0QQitemZ320040352836QQihZ011QQcategoryZ75624QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


I tried to fix the link but not sure it worked.

I bought some of the Kikyosaki Ten ten myself. I got a pretty good lower bid on it. The bids can sky rocket the last hour so it took afew tries to get a price so that I didn`t feel so drained in the pocket book. I haven`t got the package yet. It will be very interesting trying it out.





This message was edited Oct 22, 2006 12:28 PM

I can`t edit anymore so the link will stay messed up until later. Sorry.

gardener2005 - The plant that is looking like a dwarf CSP is most likely a relatively pure Ipomoea nil and the hige is a relatively pure Ipomoea purpurea...so it's unlikely that these particular 2 different species will hybridize and Arlan is gesturing in the right way in that the hybrids of Ipomoea nil and Ipomoea purpurea ala the youjiros(!) would be much more likely to cross with either another I.nil or Ipomoea purpurea because the yojiro already have some of both species in their genetic structure...

Like you mentioned here
"I did cross the hige with another of my picotees and another of my nils and all of the marked buds fell off within 3-5 days. It is real easy to tell if they don`t mix."

There's your answer...usually or sometimes what will happen is that the pedicel will remain on the plant,but the pod will never swell...indicating that any potential viable seeds failed to develop...

also
"There was something in the feel and texture of the flower petals that seemed to pull me over there to try it out."

The double pollination of Convolvulaceae pollen releasing 2 sperm cells is limited to the fertilization of the single ovule accepting the 2 sperm cells from a single pollen tube...the 2 sperm cells released can only fertilize 1 ovule...so although each separate ovule in the ovary can be fertilized by different pollen from several sources >each pollen granule can only fertilize 1 ovule...

Arlan- I find your comments and advise to be both in order and well-intentioned...
It's interesting that the following Japanese term does not distinguish between the heart and the mind

kyouou: ones heart of hearts and in the depths of ones mind

unless they're really referring to a yo-yo...(!)

and for those of 'you' who like japanese words with 'you' and 'yo' in it >here's some more to chew your tongue up on...

We all have
in'you: cosmic dual forcesof yin & yang sun & moon etc.
in us and no amount of
kagenhaguujinwoyorokobasu: sweet words only to please a fool as flattery works on puppets and fools
will do because the process of
kun'yomi: kun-yomi Japanese reading of character...
has been de-'ployed'
and u'r filled up with
nekkyou: wild enthusiasm, being crazy about...(say this while pinching your nostrils and squeezing in both of your cheeks and it comes out sounding like...so just ^*%@! buddy!)

So just simple
fugyougi: bad manners or rudeness
isn't really called for and it isn't meant to
bougyou: sabotage
just show aliitle
bukyou: gallantry
right back 'cause nobody here is tryin' to play
daimyou: Japanese feudal lord
remember it's all just
hiryou: fertilizer
for thought
and don't you dare let any of this
gebahyou: gossip
hakkyou: into madness
be
furyou: any failure
because we all use
funnyou: excreta
like
haimyou: the haiku poet
with
kandoryoukou: loud and clear
but with
jinkyou:chivalrous spirit
inquired ?
kouhyou:your esteemed opinion
regarding
kuuchuufuyou: levitation
and the
mikkyou: secret religious transmissions of Buddhist teachings
answered
bukkyouto: Buddhists


and with the
kyouki: wild joy and ecstasy...
of a
nekkyoutekishin'ija :fanatical
kyoujin: lunatic
itsunomaniyara: before you know it
give them a
kyoumou: fierce
kick in their
shimonkikan: advisory organ
houdai: as much as you would like
this will not be
kinosei: in (my, your) imagination
because you ain't about no
imayouuta: Heian style poetry
right now and if thought
kyousaika: a hen-pecked husband
they ain't seen nothing yet because now they've unleashed the
kyonshi: Chinese "hopping vampire" reanimated corpse
and they just better get their
mayoke: charm against evil spirits
together and crawl back into their
kekkyo: cave dwelling for troglodytes

So,that's it...everybodies cathartic spasms are of

goukyou: strength and firmness
and we're all ventilating a
kyoufuu:strong wind
kyoushin:severe earthquake
and hopefully we can then all live in
kyousei:symbiosis and paragenesis
while practicing our
jinshukairyou: racial eugenics
and
nihongonouryokushiken: test of Japanese language abilities

gyouji:sumo referee


So,now enough is enough(hehehe)...or is it >(?)...GOOFY(!)



In general for anyone interested in doing either intra-specific or inter-specific crosses try to absorb the following information...

Read what is mentioned (albeit in brief) on Dr.Yonedas page very,very carefully...read each word and sentence with concentration until you understand exactly(!) what he he is saying...

This particular strain of Ipomoea nil successfully crossed with an African strain of a hybrid of Ipomoea nil x Ipomoea purpurea

The first inter-specific hybrid of Ipomoea nil and Ipomoea purpurea was done by Dr.Yoneda in 1975 and then once having the I.nil x I.purpurea hybrid >Dr.Yoneda used this hybrid as an interbridge(!) to produce other hybrids with other Ipomoea nil and Ipomoea purpurea...because since the initial hybrid already contained an admixture of both Ipomoea nil and Ipomoea purpurea it was then easier to further cross this initial hybrid of Ipomoea nil x Ipomoea purpurea with other Ipomoea nil and Ipomoea purpiurea...still >each particular geo-type,strain,cultivar and even individual plants(!) may exhibit more or less of a tendency to cross and/or hybridize with other particular strains,geo-types,cultivars and individual plants...

Very specific strains and geo-types will sometimes hybridize with other very particular strains and geo-types and Dr.Yoneda mentions that (even with his expert cross pollination skills of many years) that the success rate was 2-3%...so out of 100 crosses 2 or 3 took...sometimes 1000 crosses are tried at one time and out of 100 attempts 2 or 3 pods will produce seeds...

So, e.g., > a particular strain of Ipomoea nil from the central region of Brazil may be willing to hybridize with an Ipomoea purpurea strain from New South Wales...but the same strain from central Brazil may not hybridize with a strain of Ipomoea purpurea from ANY(!) other part of the entire world...or it might >depending on the particular strain used...

When Ipomoea nil was first hybridized with Ipomoea hederacea...many different strains of each species were tried unsuccessfully...and then a strain of Ipomoea hederacea from a small locality in Oklahoma was found to be willing to hybridize with a particular Asian strain of Ipomoea nil and then only after several thousand attempts...so hybridation of Ipomoea nil with Ipomoea hederacea took many thousands of professional quality attempts using combinations of various strains from many different parts of the world...


Dr.Yoneda had access to and collected many(!) different strains from all parts of the world...I've also been collecting strains from all parts of the world that may look very similar to the eye,but on the genetic level are different enough...I've also been studying some aspects that are in fact visible to the eye that no one else seems to have bothered to pay much (or enough) attention to...

Ipomoea hederacea is genetically the closest to Ipomoea nil...the closer the different species are genetically in any inter-specific hybrid attempts >the greater the liklihood that the species may hybridize...the more distant the different species are genetically >the more remote is the ability to hybridize...chromosome counts are also an important consideration...

The Youjiro series

Here is a brief listing of true hybrids in the Ipomoea genus

I. nil Section Pharbitis
x I. hederacea Hagiwara (1937)
x I. nil-purpurea Yoneda (1975)
x I. purpurea = x nil-purpurea Yoneda (1975)

I. x nil-purpurea
x I. nil Yoneda (1975)

I. purpurea Section Pharbitis
x I. nil Yoneda (1975)
x I. hederacea Yoneda (1984)

I. hederacea Section Pharbitis
x I. nil Hagiwara (1937)
x I. purpurea Yoneda (1984)


I. coccinea Section Quamoclit
x I. quamoclit = I. x multifida = I.sloteri(allotetraploid) Eckenwalder & Brown


All other known and documented hybrids in Ipomoea are all in the batatas series and with some undocumented in hybrids very close to the batatas series


The hybridization of Ipomoea quamoclit with Ipomoea coccinea was an unusual and interesting situation...after the usual several thousand attempts under professional quality conditions...a seedpod with viable seeds formed...the initial plants that resulted had twice the usual number of chromosomes >it was a polyploid >Ipomoea x multifida...this intial hybrid produced a polyploid by itself without the application of any known polyploid inducing substance...the first several generations of plants were weak,unhealthy and did not look like they would continue to survive...but some of the seeds collected produced plants that eventually stabilized and are the hybrid known as Ipomoea sloteri...

Polyploids can occur naturally or be induced by various chemicals...some polyploids exhibit increased vigor and other enhanced features,while other polyloids exhibit various dysfunctions and do not survive...some families of plants tend to have a higher number of species that thrive better with a polyploid chromosome number than other families...Convolvulaceae has relatively very few species that have thrived with a polyploid chromosome count...Ipomoea sloteri and Ipomoea batatas are the noteworthy exceptions...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyploidy

Hope that helps...

Ron





http://waynesword.palomar.edu/hybrids1.htm

Yes, Ron it helps a lot!

I think I was hoping..imagining my unknown plant could be related some way to the rayflows and...those flowers I was reading about...

They aren`t. I believe you are right that I`m wasting my time even trying the crosses...but I sure will go ahead and grow out the pods that took. :)

Arlan,You have always been well intentioned..and right so I appreciate your comments as well!

Wow, we sure continue to learn a lot here! Thanks Ron and Gardner2005. - Arlan

gardener2005 - You mentioned

"I think I was hoping..imagining my unknown plant could be related some way to the rayflows and...those flowers I was reading about...

The blizzard you posted is an Ipomoea nil and is(!) related to the hybrids you read about(!) and should be a very likely candidate for crossing with any of the yojiros or another Ipomoea nil...

The point of my reply was not to dissuade anyone from doing crosses...just to let you know what is more likey to result in successful crosses...

The Youjiro are hybrids of Ipomoea nil and Ipomoea purpurea

These yojiro hybrids should potentially cross with other Ipomoea nil and Ipomoea purpurea...there are alot(!) of different Ipomoea nil and Ipomoea purpurea that have not yet been crossed with the fuji pattern...

The MiniBar Rose is Ipomoea nil and Ipomoea hederacea...this should potentially cross with other Ipomoea nil and other Ipomoea hederacea...

There is a tremendous potential to create new crosses using the 2 hybrids back crossed to Ipomoea nil,Ipomoea purpurea and Ipomoea hederacea...

Creating new inter-specific hybrids is not for the 'faint of heart' and requires alot(!) of hard work and dedication...but creating new partial-intra/inter-specific crosses and color variations by backcrossing to the hybrids already(!) created(!) should reveal untold wonders(!) yet unseen...

Karen...just because you make a simple small misapprehension doesn't mean you give up everything(!)...you understand alot more than you don't...you know how to hand pollinate...maybe not the worlds expert...but good enough to do crosses that have a high potential to work...

Keep the Faith...

TTY,...

Ron

I will keep trying. It Is hard work. Now what I have learned this year will be put to use next year. I got my feet wet now I`ll get a greenhouse and keep right on practicing in 2007!

Gardner2005, do you have speckly selfed yet? Pardon me if you've already indicated..!...it may have gotten lost in all the other interesting stuff in this thread. I just know you at least want to preserve, stabilize what you have!

The yellow and heart shaped leaves should be stable as they are recessive. The blizzard, being dominant may be present as heterozygous or homozygous...as there are several different genes for blizzard, you may have a unique combination of them that may or maynot be stable. I think I read somewhere that there is one gene for blizzard that creates more of the lines we see, and another that created more of the light colored specks on the colored background. Other places say something about one characteristic showing itself when blizzard is heterozygous and the other type when homogygous....who knows for sure! I'm convinced that we can learn about the hereditary characteristics of our individual plants by keeping records, both data and photos, as we make the crosses...

I had a plant with some of the same characteristics your speckly has...being rayed and blizzard. http://davesgarden.com/journal/edit/viewentry.php?rid=103445 This is an F1 of a purple star shaped picotee and something else (unknown, obviuosly something blizzard), as the few F2 that bloomed this fall as volunteers showed some very interesting blizzards, and some had petaloid doubling like we get in the picotee stars. As this plant is heterozygous for blizzard...maybe this blizzard type is characteristic of this...?

Here are a couple...I'm saddened that I was unable to get seed from any of these as they expired from a rust epidemic prematurely...but I have seed from the parent, so I can duplicate this small test growout!

http://davesgarden.com/journal/edit/showimage.php?eid=104445

http://davesgarden.com/journal/edit/showimage.php?eid=104511

http://davesgarden.com/journal/edit/showimage.php?eid=104289

Arlan

Yes, I did hand pollinate to self first. I have about 4 pods so looks like slim pickings again. I did put Hige with some shibori pollen. The sepals matched so I guess shiboris are purpureas. (Bingo 100 points puts you in the lead for the million dollar question...)

I had 4 flowers chattering their teeth so bad they didn`t want to open. They were stuck partly open. Then when I forced them the rest of the way open the pollen wasn`t coming out.I searched around for pollen and did find some ready to put on a flower and I pollinated and tagged them as crosses. Was that useless on a cold day? Time and results are sure to follow.

I know Ron, I`m such a greenhorn with these morning glories. :) I have to cut myself a little slack and keep working on improving rather than becoming discouraged.

And Arlan, I do have plenty of pictures for records and when I collect seed I put them in little paper envelopes,label and have them filed in a drawer... in alphabetical order...well I`m getting there anyway! I worked on filing yesterday and have them in pretty decent order now.

gardener2005 - You asked

"Was that useless on a cold day?"

That is a variable...depends on 'how cold',the species,cultivar and state of metabolism of the plant...

Sometimes plants will produce very unusually structured flowers in response to the cold for the purpose of producing seeds at an unusiual time of the year if the plant senses that the weather just might be co-operative 'enough'...the unusual flowers produced are called cleistogamic and I've enjoyed inducing these and 'playing around' with them...they are often dysfunctional,but sometimes functional under very offbeat conditions and seasons...

TTY,...

Ron

Arlan, I especially liked the first one with the different shading.
# 3 looks like silk with a layer of glitter due to the fine speckling
The extra petals are a nice feature. Now I have decided I love # 2 as well. LOL
Hope you can duplicate these next yr. Would be great to see all 3 being grown and enjoyed.
Neem works as a fungicide as well as a pesticide so you might want to
use that as a safeguard next season. A shame to do all that work, just to
lose these beauties to rust.

Jackie