Morning Glories 2006 #8

old poems,new re-'visions',personal philosophies,WEHT Baby Jane halloween looking MG 'creatures' looming in the morning...all acceptable grist for the mill and food for thought...

Hey X - if anybody is voluntarilly(!) looking more than once ...you can't be 'that' scary...(!!)...

TTY,...

Ron

This message was edited Oct 14, 2006 4:43 AM

Ron, I think we need to judge this issue of X's scaryaciousness objectively, don't you? X, why don't you put that cool camera on self-timer and shoot a picture of yourself to post here. You can't be as scary as me! LOL!!

Joseph

Lol .. well i was referring to the fact that when it was warmer i'd be trucking out to the greenhouse with t-shirt undies wellies & camera ..i'm a little old lady, and gravity is winning and upon the few occasions the kid was up that early in the morning, I'm sure I scarred him for life! ;-)

You asked for it Joeseph.

X

Great pictures Joseph and X. So nice to see what our morning glory
friends look like.

Jackie

So where is yours?

X

Speaking of early morning encounters with the neighbors. I remember one morning I had been working on weeding and digging when our neighbor happened to be out and he stopped a moment to say hello. He looked at me funny and I noticed he was looking over the top of my head but he smiled and said,"Good morning!" Then we went our own ways and I almost thought nothing of it but I Wondered about it so I went in and looked in the mirror. I`ll never remember how this could have happened but I had this weed lodged in my hair sticking up like it was growing out the top of my head! Talk about a bad hair day. :)

This message was edited Oct 14, 2006 1:46 PM

I wanted to add thanks for sharing the pictures. It is nice to put names to faces. :)

Thank you for posting your photo, X, how nice to see you...indeed, we need others' pictures too!

Joseph

Hi all, I've been absent from the MG forum for a bit lately, but here are some of the 'volunteers' that have popped up in the yard, and a variant that I found on my fenceful of G. Otts


Surprise visitor on the grape arbor in back yard

Variation amongst the G. Otts

And then I had this sudden shift of colors in what was formerly all dark purple G. Otts

So I suspect there was cross pollination between this surprise find in the backyard (acting as groundcover!) and the dark purple that I had up front - or possible some cross over from the cameo elegans not too far away on the neighbor's fence up front....?

All of the above are volunteer plants; I didn't plant any of them, but I surely do love them (despite the horrific spider mites). Oh, and a pic of me...working in the yard of course...LOL!
Definitely not a 'glamour' shot :D

Hi Hineni,

What a nice picture of you! Nice to see your smiling face!

I really liked the second picture of Grandpa Otts MG...the one with the red band around the edge of the flower, really nice!

Joseph

I'll join the bandwagon and post a photo of myself hard at work in the lab.

Great picture, Beth, thanks for posting it!

Joseph

My Flying Saucers has been throwing out Heavenly Blue blooms for 2 weeks.
This morning, I found 3 different type blooms on it. A Heavenly blue, a pale
Flying Saucers and this wild colored bloom.

patootie - That's very unusual for a single vine of Ipomoea tricolor to produce solids and striped flakes...if you get a chance double check to see if there is indeed only one vine in the ground where the plant originates...if there is only one vine >I'd be interested in some seeds from the solid blooms...

The color pigments are usually impaired by both the cold and the plants nearing the end of their life cycle >so it's unusual that a flaked plant would produce solids at this point...the reddish/pink/ undercoat tones are seen due to the blue upper layer pigment not being produced as usual...

Nice color show either way...

TTY,...

Ron

Ron, It is only 1 vine as this one is in a pot. I've got more buds and will mark
the next Heavenly Blue bloom with masking tape right below the bloom on the stem so I can harvest the right seeds for you.
I had a double bloom on the blue Tie Dye Friday but my cam batteries were charging
so I didn't get a picture. It's in the g house so I will be watching for whatever it
does next. The Flying Saucers was also in the g house when it produced the
3 different blooms.
Here's a pic of the Heavenly Blue, one of the 3 different blooms yesterday.

Jackie

This message was edited Oct 17, 2006 12:27 PM

This is the only morning glory that I lost the label on. I think it's from the Tall
Mixed pkt. It has a lot of red so more lavendar than purple. Light pink bars/rays.
Small flowers less than 2 inches across. I kinda like it since it's different.
If anyone recognizes it, please enlighten.

Jackie,

The sepals on the plant above are Ipomoea nil...it looks like one of the lavenders that come out of the Early Call mix...I don't recognize it as any specific cultivar...

TTY,...

Ron

Ron, thanx. I do recall having one Early Call mxd seed planted.
I lost the rest of them, soaked too long.

Jackie

Whilst scouring the web for photos of rare species of various morning glories I found the attached photo of an Ipomoea purpurea with a very unusual color pattern that I've never seen before in an Ipomoea purpurea...

the photo does not appear to have been taken in any weather conditions that would cause the usual pigmentation to be physically or chemically impaired..
this unusual pattern looks to be a genuine unique genetic variation previously not seen in Ipomoea purpurea...

Photo reproduced with the permission of the Smithsonian Institute and the photographer GACooper

TTY,...

Ron



This message was edited Oct 20, 2006 10:26 PM

Wow, how cool and unusual is that flower!!

The distribution of the light color makes it look like a reflected highlight on a glossy recurved surface....which was my first impression!

Be still my heart!!

Striking.

atenkley - Are you saying that it is your impression,based on all lighting,shadows,variances in curvature etc., that there is no 'real' unusual pattern to the flower and that what looks like a purple and lavender pattern is just a "reflected highlight on a glossy surface"...

Just curious to be sure...


Take no prisoners because >inquiring minds want to know...

TTY,...

Ron

This message was edited Oct 21, 2006 3:00 AM

That is definately coloration not reflection to my aging eyes. It's a real beauty Ron. I'm new to DG and trying to establish a garden in the desert for the first time. MG are high on ly list of what's going in as soon as the weather warms back up a bit. I've been told that out nights in the 60's and soon to be lower make it a waste of good seeds to plant now, but just wait until spring. I'm collecting seeds and have mapped out a plan of action. Color, lots of greenery. Big plans which I hope I can execute.

pweelee - Glad to hear that you're interested in getting some of natures finest going in your area of Arizona...most of the morning glories that are native to AZ and other arid areas with intense sun have spear shaped or very dissected leaves to enable the plants to survive the combination of drynesss and intense sunlight...

You might want to consider an Arizona native MG preservation garden in addition to whatever other MG's you might be considering...

Here's a link to some of the AZ native in the PlantFiles...scroll down to the comments for the additional photo links I added onto the main entry page...
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/107781/index.html
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/107572/index.html


A link to Ipomoea costellata...I know the USDA has it listed as Ipomoea cristulata...but you got to cut them alittle slack >they're doing their best...
http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=IPCR
click onto the photo for an enlargement...


TTY,...

Ron

I took the liberty of downloading the picture to get a closer look. The colors have been enchanced. The green of the leaves and surrounding grass give that away. It also appears that the contrast has been increased as well. By reducing all the color but blue in the gamma you can see that the light is being absorbed and not reflected on the top of the flower. It it were a reflection I think we'd see more white at the top of the flower. I don't think it's a reflection, but the patterning makes me go hmmm... being a mere tyro at morning glories I dont know if this type of pattern is possible or not.

X

I`d grow it again if if it were mine. I like it.

Sometimes, it can be difficult to distiguish normal day to day from month to month climate changes and how they affect the flowers color and shapes. I know they do have drastic affects on my flowers. The Mt Fuji yogiro pattern on mine has the "paint drying" affect when it is cool in the morning. When it is hot all the time then it changes to a velvety darkness all over and both affects are lovely.

When you start growing vines and become very observant and visit the plants and observe them from little sprouts to the end of the life cycle with the faithful vigilance of Jane Goodall watching her gorillas then you will see more..and more. You will enjoy your "finds" and mark the vines to save seed instead of missing out on seeing such beauty. You never stop learning for a lifetime this way.

You know what they can do and what they probably can`t or won`t do after many generations of study in your own backyard so when something comes up that is truly something to get exited about you will know what to do. Smile :)

Ron, if you say that flower is something else then It IS!!!! You have more experience than any of us here so you should know.

Well I'm not knowledgeable enough about photography or MG's to know either way - but it's lovely. The variations just on one vine from morning to evening, in cool weather and warm, seem to make MG's one of the most variable and enchanting plants I've come across. Maybe it is because I am so new to gardening all around that I'm just not familiar enough with other plants to see the same type of variations based on multiple factors?

But regardless, the cumulative knowledge, enthusiasm and experience here at the MG forum makes it truly a pleasure to visit and to learn from :)

~Sunny

Ron -

I guess I wasn't very clear with my thoughts! When I first saw the thumbnail, it looked like there were highlights on a highly reflective surface. When I looked closer at the color distribution, it seems that it is not quite symetrical, especially seeing X's analysis, which one would expect for most patterns, . This might lead to the conclusion that it is an artificial exageration of normal reflected light. If this is the case, then it may have some new, interesting, bulging corolla surface shapes...

On the other hand, if it is a new color distribution pattern that makes it look like reflected light....it is pretty cool.

What does the photo owner claim?

Arlan

This message was edited Oct 21, 2006 3:13 PM

I was surprised this morning to see the Moonflowers still blooming.

We had a cool night so I guess it preserved them or something. The morning light gave an opportunity to capture some of their beauty that is difficult to document in the low light of the evenings, using flash. - Arlan

...here is the reverse.

Gorgeous Arlan. I just seed snatched a few of these this week 0_0 The vine in the neighborhood took a hard slump mid-week last week, but was blooming vigorously again last night.

All of the MG variants have been staying open here nearly all day now - cool weather I suppose. But the flowers on the MG's are getting smaller and smaller.

~Sunny

Arlan, really great photos of I. alba! wow!! I find that morning light is fantastic, and usually in the early morning around here the winds haven't started yet.

Joseph

I think the pattern on the Ipomoea purpurea is real...there is alot more symetry than not...to my eyes anyway...

I've seen MG's with this type of pattern on some old woodblocks from Japan...it was several years ago and I don't have the same links...I was corresponding with someone in the UK who was very interested in the color patterns in MG's...There are some very old books on asagao in Japanese from the 1700's that describe this type of pattern,but the books are rare,hard to access and even harder to translate...

Solanaceae are the closest Family to Convolvulaceae and I believe that whatever patterns are seen in the vast color range of petunias are possible in MG's...

I am going to attempt to gather some more information about the photos and locations from the photographer...I do know that he has photographed alot of rare MG species and variations that have not previously been available in photo format anywhere else on the web...He does alot of work for big Federally funded agencies...and alot of these guys can be really 'snooty' when it comes to sharing with anyone else who does not also work for the Fed...that is unless they(!) want(!) something(!)...

Here are links to photos that I recently added to the PlantFiles

Ipomoea pandurata rara pink colored flowers
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/130639/
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/130638/
Ipomoea pandurata rare yellow colored flowers
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/130640/

I've seen plenty of other pink and yellow Ipomoea pandurata photos and I never linked to them because they didn't look real to me...I think the above photos are of genuine pink and yellow forms of Ipomoea pandurata...

TTY,...

Ron

Thanks for the Ipomoe purpurea insight, Ron. I'm sure that photographers often do not recognize the significance of their subjects, but is sounds like this gentleman may... Good luck in your investigation. It would be fantastic for someone stateside to rediscover and eventually reintroduce an old and "lost" piece of the gene pool.

Arlan