assassin, stink, leaffoot?

i have a lot of these in my rose garden. it doesn't look like any assassin i've ever seen. i don't see wide legs either. it's very orange/rust colored and bumpy. the tips of the antenna are black.

Can you get a better picture?

here are two pictures, much better. i have killed a couple dozen of these. i know for sure they're bad ones, they attack the new growth and kill it (roses and crepe myrtle). these are both dead (i kill them with tongs) and the adult has his legs up over his back, but these are both top shots.

another.

the little one is a juvenile, but not (i think) a nymph. the nymph is smaller still and redder.

Kind of hard to see its legs, the way they wind around behind its back.... Definitely a stink bug, possibly a leaf-footed bug. But definitely a bad guy.

thanks ceejay. i guess it's possible that they are two different bugs and both adult, but no matter, they are both doing the same damage. the little ones slip through my tongs, but these guys are easy to nab. the big one can fly. i don't know about the smaller one.

They're both the same bug. One is a nymph (just means immature, and going through one of its stages - instars- to adulthood) and the other is an adult. Only adults have wings, and are able to reproduce. The little one can't fly because it is not yet an adult. And that's one way to tell an adult from a nymph.

thank you! i think it's fascinating, this whole garden process, right down to the dirty little buggers like these guys. i would much prefer not to spray anything unless i have to. after i squash these, i toss them to the lizards. they eat the littlest ones, but not the big ones. i have a few snakes in the garden too. whatever is leftover, the red ants haul off.

I prefer not to spray too. I am very fond of the beneficials and I try not to harm them. I enjoy the lizards and skinks. The snakes may startle me, but once I know they're there, we're OK. I enjoy watching them, too. Nature is just an awesome wonderment.

LOL on being startled. the other day i moved a pot in the garden and underneath was a very small snake. because of the coloring, i had to quickly recite to myself the little rhymes used to identify a coral snake. "nose black, get back" and "red and yellow kill a fellow". it was a scarlet kingsnake, but when you first see those bright colors it does spook you. today there was a 7' yellow rat snake in the yard. i've seen him before and because of the pronounced stripes and coloring, i always think of a big No.2 pencil. he is harmless and actually quite friendly, if snakes are friendly. he likes to be near the house and comes into the garage.