Morning Glories 2006 #1

Janett,
No idea about the Milky Way. Can't even tell if the Solid Blooms are on one single vine yet. I need to trace it.

No flower buds on Rosita yet, Joseph, but here is photo of what it is 'supposed' to look like.

Emma

Emma - the leaves on your 'Rosita; look vey much to be the same shape as on the Chachamaru and other smaller yojiro types...it will be interesting to see what type of flowers develop on your plant...

TTY,...

Hi Ron,

I did notice my first bud this evening, so shouldn't be much longer before we will see blooms. I'm very curious about this MG.

Emma

Newbie here folks, at least with MG. Do you usually grow MG from seeds annually? Am I too late this year to get some going and where do I get good instructions?

All the pics are wonderful!!!!

Louanne

Welcome hummerlou To Dave´s Garden and your new addiction :0))
I started my seeds outdoors yesterday, so I dont think so.
I presoaked them in 3% peroxid and water 50-.50 over night, but there is a lot of ways to soake them as you will hear from others and you can also plant the seeds direct in the ground. But not to deep, I think Gerris2 said 1/3 of an inch at tops. The smaller the seeds are, the shallower.

Emma looking forward to see that one flower.......
Janett

TX Janett,

Appreciate the advice!

Hi hummerlou,
I am very framiliar with Leander. Years ago I worked in Leander including all of Williamson County as well as Austin. Your summers are VERY hot, so you won't have a problem at all getting your MG's going now. I'm still planting them myself. I can send you some detailed germination instructions on how "I" start my MG's. If interested you can email me.
emma.grace@cox.net

Emma

Thought I'd sneak in a pic of my 'psuedo' MGs--my Convolvulus that bloomed this morning:

What do you mean with 'psuedo' ??? :0)) That is an MG............period
Here we dont care if they are "varitys" or "genuin" as long as the are MG:s and yours are beautiful.
Janett

Thanks, Janett. Whew! LOL Wasn't sure if y'all were sticking with only Ipomoea sp. or not in this forum. Just thought I would see what would happen when I posted that pic. ;-)) I suppose I could edit that post now. LOL

I started those from seed and I bought the seed based on the common name on the package--'Dwarf Morning Glory'. It was only later after planting them that I read a little further and saw that it was a Convolvulus. I had always thought anything calling itself an MG would be an Ipomoea sp. I have learned something new this year.

The package of seed was of mixed colors, so I am anxiously awaiting blooms in other colors. This is the first time I have grown Convolvulus, and I like those little blue beauties!

The colors are spectacular!

Aren't they? ;-))

Hi hill5422,

Nice looking flowers you got there...

Any and all plants in any(!) of the 50+ genera within the Morning Glory Family(!) of plants are relevant to the MG forum...

Here is the link showing what genera are currently entered in the PlantFiles for this Family of plants...clicking onto any of the genera will show all subtaxa e.g.,species,subspecies,forms,cultivars and other relevant subtaxa...
http://davesgarden.com/pf/tools/names.php?family=Convolvulaceae&z=genus&offset=0

Enjoy(!)...

TTY,...

Ron

P.S. I believe that Cuscuta should rightly be placed under Convolvulaceae as all of the most recent genetic studies have proven that Cuscuta is in fact nestled within(!) Convolvulaceae and should therefore not be considered as a disjointed separate Family...

Nice color and picture, hill, isn't that Royal Ensign? Really nice flowering plant!

Joseph

Thanks for the education and the link, Ron! I am afraid my MG ignorance was showing and I needed that info and getting set straight on things. I did notice, however, that Ipomoea was represented by the largest number, so perhaps I come by my ignorance honestly. ;-)) And it has been awhile since my botany and plant ID courses in college. Hey, I saw Dichondra and Evolvulus listed there. Can I post my pics of those here, too?? LOL I need to go read up on Convolvulacea characteristics...sheesh.

Sorry, Joseph, but I have no idea if those are 'Royal Ensign' or not. I apologize for my ignorance again. The seed packet said it was a Dwarf Morning Glory Tricolor mix with no other specifics given as to the names of the colors. Regardless of what it is, that is a breathtaking blue, isn't it!

Well yesterday the "Chocolate" was planted outside and she doesnt seam to mind being outdoor any longer. The temp here hit 84 F today and she has been in full sun all day. I took her off the trellis and "tried" to arrange her as nice as i could on the fence.

Gourd.........Happy belated birthday. my DD read all that had their birthday yesterday but she occupied the puter the whole evening for me.


again Happy Belated Birthday
Janett

I`m looking forward to seeing what kinds of vines everyone is growing this year.

I have a whole bunch of vines that have buds on them. Eight pots are labeled so maybe I can confirm their identity and post them in plant files.

Plus my blue Mt Fugi experiment is well under way. I`m waiting on some pods off one of the blue vines to grow more and see if I can get more with the pretty edging around it and find out if the pink color is still in there or if it got lost. I`m going to get the pods off the purple and see some small pods so it will be a little while.

I thought about starting a thread and just add to it every time some new things bloom. It would be nice to share. Later this fall maybe I could try some trading once my harvest comes in.

gardener2005. you can add the pictures as they come right in here. this isnt "my" tread I am just the host for it this year and I am sure that you will get help in ID:ing your flowers. Ron is a wizard when it comes to ID MG:s and so is a lot of others here at the MG forum
When this one gets to long it will be a Nr 2 tread.
Janett

Ok,I`ll put my new pictures here. I`m no expert on anything but do love my hobby very much.

Another of the red star.

Interesting leaves on a picotee mix.

Beautiful flower. I have also planted that one and I do like the foliage on it..
Janett

Janett,
Hard to imagine that you really have temps of 84 in Sweden. So NOW you are ready to get those glories going for sure now, huh!
Looking forward to more of your beautiful blooms.

Ron -
You are right again with what you said about 'Rosita'
"Emma - the leaves on your 'Rosita; look vey much to be the same shape as on the Chachamaru and other smaller yojiro types...it will be interesting to see what type of flowers develop on your plant..."


It is not like the photo that was advertised, but I LOVE IT....

WHAT DO YA'LL THINK?

Ron, what should I call this?
Rosita?
Since it looks like a mutation of Yojiro 'Yagaruma'!

Here is ONE of the blooms of 'Rosita'...

Emma

AND. . .

This is 'Rosita' from a totally different vine.
Looks like Yojiro 'Yagaruma'

But, is still different from 'Yagaruma' that I grew last year

Here are blooms from my Yojiro 'Yagaruma' from last year.
The spokes don't go all the way to the center as in the photo I posted above of 'Rosita'.

... or is this typical of Yojiro 'Yagaruma'
???

Emma

PlantFiles entry of "Red Star" entered as Ipomoea purpurea...this 'named' youjiro hybrid of Ipomoea nil and Ipomoea purpurea was marketed by Thomson & Morgan in the Western countries as "Red Star"...
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/57867/index.html

PlantFiles entry of "Yagaruma" yojiro type entered as Ipomoea (???)...this is the Japanese 'marketing' name for the same exact hybrid type as the plant above ...
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/107750/index.html

The differences in the color at the throat and the incomplete pigmentations of the main petal colors which have a sort of brushed diluted appearence,are color variations that are likely to occur and can be seen on some of the Japanese MG sites and even in some of the pictures in the MG threads here at Daves...if the dilutions,throat color pigmentations and/or spoke number become stabilized to an appreciable degree...a new name describing the variation may be in order...

Personally I think each entry is partially correct and partially inaccurate in certain aspects...

The 'Red Star' is a somewhat misleading appellation,as it leads a person to think that there should be a red star(!),when in fact the term yojiro refers to the white(!) ray(!) that appears in these type of hybrids...so,a more accurate name might have been something like 'Red with a white star'...

Although it it clearly stated on Dr.Yonedas website that he was the first person to successfully hybridize the 2 different species of Ipomoea nil and Ipomoea purpurea in this manner...the traditional manner of indicating that they are a new species hybrid presents a problem for the GREX system used by the PlantFiles...

When 2 completely different species of Ipomoea are hybridized the Scientific community will usually provide the new species created with an entirely new botanical name,like what occurred when Ipomoea coccinea and Ipomoea quamoclit were hybridized the new name of Ipomoea x multifida was applied
see the example here and scroll down to my commentary to see the relevant name changes...
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/662/index.html

When Ipomoea cordatotriloba and Ipomoea lacunosa hybridize the resultant hybridized new species is called Ipomoea x leucantha...
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/133762/index.html

The process of giving a new acceptable GREX name was not followed through in the case of the hybrids of Ipomoea nil and Ipomoea purpurea(and I don't know the exact reasons why,but it most likely has to do with the sometimes slow process of all the different countries accepting and adhereing to accepted International Scientific Standards),so this presents some 'technical' difficulties when trying to enter them into the database to be botanically accurate by using the currently correct and accepted GREX system...

I have communicated with Terry on this issue and it was suggested to me that my commentary detailing some of the actual botanical lineage may suffice for those persons interested in more exacting botanical clarification...and being aware of the issues involved...I have left the matter stand as it is,although hopefully,at some point something more definitive may occur...

There is no official registry for MG's,so that makes matters where more exacting parentage is an issue,a bit more complicated to 'sort out'...

Dr.Yonedas site indicates that the yojiro were created by initially hybridizing Ipomoea nil and Ipomoea purpurea,and then backcrossing to Ipomoea nil again...so(!) they are genetically more Ipomoea nil,than Ipomoea purpurea and the sepals are much closer to a standard Ipomoea nil sepals than an Ipomoea purpurea...

I would think that under the circumstances that it might be best to enter all of the current yojiro hybrids and cultivars under Ipomoea nil with a footnote and/or commentary link to Dr.Yonedas site where the more exacting botanical history is provided...


TTY,...


Ron


This message was edited Aug 22, 2007 2:30 AM

Wow Emma, whomever they are they are gorgeous. And yes its nice that we finally got summer. It is a bit colder today only 68 today but that is due to last nights rain and thunder. Heat will come back.

I have planted four of your "Lilac Luster" and I hope they climb up my fence. I have also given some seedlings from your seeds to friends so they will be growing in four gardens around here. Both MG:s and Cannas. They all sent you a big Thank You :0))
DD and I have planted seeds all over the place here and I hope they will grow as long as I can keep Tayson out of the flowerbeds.
Janett
This is how the frontyard looked May 6th

This is taken Jun 6th and all along the fence I have planted MG:s in the flowerbeds also along a fence not in picture.
Janett

Emma,

That Rosita is lovely, indeed!

Janett,

Great area to sit in outside, surrounded by morning glory plantings!

I started 'Gypsy Bride' and have a few vines nicely coming along. Leaves look cordate, a lot like I. purpurea...is this the species of this critter or is Gypsy Bride a mystery as to its identity?

Joseph

Janett -
Your hard work is VERY impressive in all that you are doing to your property. And, thanks for sharing so many seeds I sent you with your friends. I like that!

Joseph -
Gypsy Bride IS I. purpurea and is a 'feathered' White with Blue or Lilac eyes.
I too have some Gypsy Bride Seeds going and several are already 6'+...NO BUDS YET! I was assured by the people in the UK where I purchased the seeds that this is positively 'The Real' Gypsy Bride - so I am very curious how the blooms turn out.

Emma

One of my Gypsy Bride vines is starting to actively extend upwards out of the seedling phase of growth; it is quite a strong, vigorous plant already. Thanks for confirming its identity, Emma!

Joseph

Janett,that area will look amazing once your vines get going. I`m looking forward to seeing your garden in bloom!

Now as far far as my little pink flower and the cute little blue flower...I took some pictures. These two at first glance favor like a blue and a pink version of the same kind exept there are differences in the leaves and vines. They look oakleaf? Is that right?

The leaves on my pink flower look different from the Rosita. The color is beautiful bright on that Rosita! It appears brighter than mine. My little pink flower is a rosy pink and the leaves are a different shape.

The blue flower favors the pink but the vines begin with one kind of large leaf in picture below and then change three lobe. This one is true blue and is small like the pink flower and has a good substance to petals.

This message was edited Jun 15, 2006 9:26 AM

Someone just told me what this blue flower is on another thread but I`ll have to look again and try to memorize. The leaves begin large like this picture and then turn three lobed.

First leaves on blue flower. I need to take notes on what these are so I can learn exactly what I`m growing.

Then they get three lobed.

And finally since this is the new morning glories of the year thread here is another prize I found this morning. I love it! It has the same leaves as the Mt Fugi mix I saved seeds from last year and is diifferent from the other picoted edge white rayed Mt Fugis.

This is one vine that is different from the others in this seed batch from last year.

This message was edited Jun 15, 2006 9:37 AM

This is what most of the others look like. There is that enough pictures.

ha :)

These Mt Fugis are really taking off and the vines are starting to grow everywhere so I have to move them out of the way and show them which way to go. I do not mind such an inconvenience especially with all the buds I`m seeing! What a joy to grow these! I will always keep some of these to grow. They need full sun but also a little break from afternoon sun so I`m planting in a banana tree and some cannas in a strategic location. I also have another vine planted by some sunflowers in the little garden patch out behind the house. I can hardly wait.

Today though brings Work as far as I have to weed and take care of pest and disease prevention.

Keep the pictures coming and I look forward to all of them!

This message was edited Jun 15, 2006 10:21 AM

gardener2005 . . .
Gorgeous blooms!

This one especially
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=2392932

I've never seen one that has that bloom-shape.
Very interesting.

They all look like Yujiro's - and incredible ones at that.

RON-
Thanks for all of the great information on the Yojiro's.

Emma

Yes, that one with the markedly picoted with a thin white edging did get my attention! It is tiny but looks so special that I`m going to let it grow and develop more and get more seeds off it(hopefully) and plant a big crop of them this year if there is time.

Thanks so much for the compliments and making me feel at home. I have come to the right place to learn about the flowers I love so much.

Thanks to Ron for being so helpful with identifying our flowers.

This is a joy here. Keep the pictures coming!

This message was edited Jun 15, 2006 12:43 PM