llilyfan, the way to tell is to be massively wealthy like Bill Gates and purchase your very own scanning electron microscope ($500,000) to look for virus or just don't use RU around them and eliminate the ambiguity. Seriously, we have one of those at work but I think some folks would be unhappy to come in and find a lily stuck in it..
Our symposium is next month and if I go I will try to get some more clarification on symptoms.
Open Discussion of Lily Mosaic Virus/Tulip Breaking Virus
Scutler , the virus that attacks the coneflowers is called Yellow Aster Virus and I believe they are two separate viruses. However, it is spread in the same manner as the TBV.
thanks, beaker_ch, that is encouraging to hear. This lily virus is frightening enough without the complication of contamination by Echinacea.
pardalinum, thanks for the info on the lily list and photos. I don't have time to check it out tonight but look forward to doing so soon.
Well phoooey... I dug up my lily... It was the first of the ones to bloom from this company... Now I am waiting to see how the rest of them will look..I am sending a pic of the bloom to the company and see how they will respond.. Unless Preen will cause them to splotch nothing else has been put out.. Thanks scutler for the thread.. being new I'd have just left it alone and hoped it was my black thumb at work again... I hope my attempts with a daylily bed is worry free...lol..
Thanks again for everyones help..
Ronda
pardalinum, once again thanks for the link. That one is going to take me awhile to navigate!
I LOVE Dave's and its simplicity!
Rhonda, you are very welcome. I started the thread because when I asked a question about this virus on another thread it started such a flurry of conversation as to hi-jack the other thread. So I figured we needed a seperate thread for this topic.
pardalinum, thank you for ALL of the info you have provided. I have marked the yahoo link you gave and fully plan to check it out as soon as time allows. I knew that I would not have time last night, and it looks like I won't have time tonight either, but I am looking forward to checking out the photos and information there.
Thanks to ALL of you for the great info. I started out about a week ago with what I perceived as really cool looking, "leapard" spotted lilies. If I'm not mistaken, I think it was llilyfan who 1st alerted me to the presence of a virus and the need to destroy all effected plants. Were it not for you folks here at DG, I would still be happily coddling my new spotted lilies.lol
I noticed on the pic Moby posted of the two flowers with the brown spots on them that the spots appear in a splash pattern in places. Now, maybe I have been watching too many forensics shows (ie blood splatter technology...lol) But it looks to me as if something caustic has been spilled on these plants and is causing the brown spots ont he foliage.
The only picture I see from Moby is the one of 2 lily plants w/o flowers. If that is the one you are talking about, she said to ignore the Plantskydd. That is what the brownish splashes are. It's basically bovine blood; it keeps the deer and other critters from eating the plants.
My lily at the top of the thread has dark red splotches. Seen in person, the splotched areas do not appear damaged, burned, etc. The flower looks perfectly healthy. The splotches look like "normal" pigmentation. At 1st I thought it was some new kind of lily. I actually LIKE the look of my red Asiatic lilies better that way - were it not for the infectious nature of the virus.
LOL BB ~ yes, your forensics has paid off and yes, that is blood spatter. Scutler is correct about it being Plantskydd.
The virused flowers are attractive in an odd way. :)
Lurking here. I have two pictures and a question.
Dracunculus ("Dragon Lily") with virus.
Now, what kind of chlorosis am I seeing mildly in my Lilies this year? A friend of mine has at to a by far more concerning degree on many of her orienpets. It has only recently appeared on young leaves. Nitrogen? Iron? Sulfur? A micronutrient deficiency resulting from mis-watering?
I agree with you, Moby, the virused tulips of the tulipomania are dramatic- and I have not noticed a health decline in some that I know to have it. As an important note on viruses, bees are vectors by carrying tainted pollen. where ever a pollenator may fly, a virus can be spread.
Thanks, K. James
Sorry to just jump into this thread, but since for the way they look some tulips are grown virused..........is it possible for that virus to infect the lilies?
Steve
You mean the Rembrandts, Steve? Your question is interesting and probably deserves some further research. I don't know that much about it. I would think the Tulip Industry would frown on the actual sale of diseased plants. I can't believe that the Rembrandts would actually have a transmittable virus. The virus that infects Tulips is the same virus that can infect Lilies; TBV or Tulip Breaking Virus. As K pointed out, the virus can be spread by any flying pollinators and aphids. That's why it is important to remove the blooms immediately and get rid of any diseased plants as quickly as possible.
Moby, you asked earlier how to tell if a white lily is diseased. I just read somewhere that it is almost impossible to tell on the whites.
Hi Steve, this is actually the same type of question that I was trying to ask above about the DoubleTop Echinacea and the splotched irises like Gnu. I know that viruses are used for foliage variegation in some plants, for instance. I was just hoping that this virus was not being used in another type of plant, perhaps.
At any rate, please do jump right in. That's why I named it "Open Discussion...". The more, the merrier. : )
Acuba japonicas are virused...
The virus-rembrandt is (easily) visually separatable from genetic-rembrandts. Viruses are also limited to certain plant groups. Like beaker said, lilies and tulips- both are liliaceous. I doubt that an Echinacea virus could get into a tulip, for example, but iris to lily-family, I don't know. I had a virused tulip (leaf mosaic pattern) near a Virused Narcissus this spring (mosaic) so there you might have had Amaryllid and lilioid...
I have a couple good pictures that are not available to me now.
K.
About K. James's "nutrient defficiency": Don't really know, but I can say a few things:
Nitrogen is translocatable in the plant. New foliage is priority, so if there was a defficiency in N, N would be pulled from older leaves to the new foliage.
With lilies, it is common for the new foliage to be lighter green at first, and then darkening with age.
However the multicolor greening in leaves of your lily seems problematic. If it is a defficiency, it could be caused by lack of iron or magnesium, which is probably cause by a high pH soil that makes those nutrients unavailable to the plant. This, even though the nutrients are present. My guess is that it is not this, as defficiencies are rather rare in most lilies. More likely some environmental factor(s) that might clear up by itself in time.
Good point, Nitrogen is a silly idea, I know about that... It is not uncommon here with such a high pH to have Fe deficiencies. That is what I'm going with now, as the soil conditions may have changed recently against the plant's favor. The place is amended like mad with a ridiculous amount of organic material, which usually frees up the plentiful nutrients in our native clay soil. I should go check the moisture content. Drainage is what I'm thinking.
Thanks for responding about that.
Yes, the Rembrandts are what I was thinking of, I just forgot that's what they were called. I'm afraid I don't know anything much about viruses except what I've read on this and another thread. Is it common though for plants to sometimes just have a deformed leaf? I believe it is, but I just need to be reassured :) Now, maybe this is just me, but might it be a good idea to steer away from things like the Rembrandts or other plants where viruses are used for variegation or flower patterning?
Steve
There is no such thing as a ridiculous amount of organic amendments, unless it is too little. Good job, I'd say. If it is too dry for the lilies, I suspect they will just pull themselves deeper down.
Not to repeat myself (too many times), but, honestly, when I saw my 1st diseased lily, I thought it was the coolest Asiatic lily in my garden. Well, here is the most recent victim. There were 2 blooms, and both were down right tacky. They look even worse in "person".
I pulled and destroyed the other diseased lilies only because once "you" told me they were contagious, I new it had to be done. I really wanted to keep them. It did me good to see this hideous bloom. Now I KNOW I don't want this thing around. I thought it might be good to show "you" this one, too.
Okay. I need some assistance. I planted lots of lilies last year and this is the first time I have seen 'Sorbet.' It looked a little strange to me. Could it have the virus? My other lilies aren't showing any problems.
Here is another bloom from it.
I think that is how Sorbet is suppose to look. Here's a photo from the Lily Nook.
Your lily look normal to me. See how the color on your appears to be "brushed" on as if one color is painted over the other? The virus infected flowers have have irregular splotches that remind me of leapard print and/or look as if someone "splashed" them with bold splotches of color.
I think your lilies are fine. : )
beaker - the picture I had seen looked more uniform in its color. Thanks for the reassurance.
Thanks scutler. I was really worried. I do see the difference now. All I noticed before was that they were different than the picture I had.
I appreciate the help and am glad I avoided the virus this time. I must say this has been a very helpful and informative thread. I am glad you started it. I am pretty new to lilies and don't grow tulips so I don't know much about this (as you can probably tell).
Hope you're not offended TD, but I really don't like Sorbet. I just don't find it attractive. It's what is called a bi-color. I'm not real fond of the tangos either with all their dark spotting. Anyway, I'm not surprised you thought there was something wrong with it because there's just something that doesn't click with the color combination.
Not offended at all, beaker. I guess I was a little disappointed myself which is why I had the reaction I did. It is not what I expected at all. I will give it another year and see how I like it then.
;-)
If you dont like Sorbet ...you might try First Lady.
TD, thank's for letting me know that the thread has been helpful. This is all new for me, also, so I can relate. When my 1st diseased lily bloomed, I posted the picture on the ID Forum thinking it was a new variety that I had planted and forgotten about. (lol). Upon learning that my lily was infected with the virus, I thought we needed a thread in which we could all discuss our concerns about this virus, ask questions, post pictures, whatever.
I can also relate to your fear that every unusual bloom may be a virus infected bloom. For days after the initial diagnosis, I found plants and leaves of all kinds (most not even lilies) all around the yard that were "suspect". I was so fearful of the virus that I wanted to rip out everything in the garden that had the slightest inconsistency in color or growth. Thankfully, I have calmed down a bit now. : )
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Scutler - LOL, after reading this thread, I'm exactly the same with all the plants in our yard! Everytime now I see a leaf that looks funny or is deformed, I pick it off :)
Steve
Hi,
What do you folks think of this picture? I thought it was a virus. All my lilies have these specs on there leaves... Also notice the twisting of the leaves.
So what happens if someone with a virus decides to keep there lilies? Will it continue on with it's life? Will it bloom?
Good day,
intercessor
Hi intercessor! Glad you posted here as a number of us no longer post on GWeb so couldn't help your there. Notice the distinct division in time from when the hail event happened and the emergence of new growth afterward where the top growth of the lily is not damaged. That lily is just fine. The other lily (lower right) is probably OK. It may have a nutritional problem and some fertilzer or light dose of epsom salts would help. That is what I am trying on my lilies that look like that this year. A better detailed picture of that one would help.
The problem with leaving a virused lily (or other virused plant) in the garden is that it can sporead to healthy lilies via aphids and other sucking insects.
Hi,
Wow someone recognized my post from a different website! Small world. This is my first year at gardening full tilt, needless to say, I am hitting some learning situations. I like to research, so I am on the hunt for good forums. Gardenweb didn't seem like it was frequented much. Anyway....
Yes the lilies, I planted some last year at a local store for cheap and then this year @ thelilygarden.com. When I read about the virus issues I started to see a virus under every bush :*)
My soil is clayish with about 10-12 inches of topsoil and these were planted on site where evergreens were the year before. Also they are on the north side with maybe 3 hours of sun. I know, I know what was i thinking... Well I had no knowledge last year of anything gardening wise, so here they grow.
Yes the damage does appear to be on the older leaves on the portions that are not covered by other leaves. I will keep an eye on them.
Speaking of nutrients, what does salt do? also when is a good time to fertilize with say, a bloom booster? I have had troubles with fertilizer this year, to much of a good thing is not good :*(
Ok I will stop rambling,
intercessor
Anothe pic,same plant.
ok one more...
Pardalinum - Some of my lilies look yellowish, like Intercessor's, maybe even more so. It that what the epsom salts would be good for? And how would that effect surrounding plants?
Thanks,
Steve
Steve, intercessor, although I have missed the past few years for health reasons, I use Epsom Salt on ALL of my plants, flower, vegetable, tree, shrub, and lawn. It replaces magnesium which is often depleted in our soil. Pardalinum and others can likely tell you more specifics about what it does, but it does effect certain types of yellowing and plants do need small amounts of it. I'm sure there is a more specific recipe for this, but I toss a scant handful around each plant or group of plants once a year in spring and mix 2 (2lb?) containers with a bag of fertilizer for my lawn in spring.
Thanks Scutler. I'll have to get to that this weekend. I noticed some of my dwarf asiatics have set buds already :D Also oriental 'white horse' which I though was dead, turned up a foot or so from where I thought it was.....that must be why I couldn't find it! Actualy that whole area of the garden looks a little yellow.
Steve
Moby ,
You might need chelated iron. Some of mine are pale with healthy stalks right next door so I'm going to dose them today.
Am talking about the pic you posted May 9th. Been away for a couple of weeks so just catching up.
Inanda
Wanted to say that -if I can work out how to show the picture - my bro has about a 50 yard lily bed , along with daffs. I recently weeded them - down with grass and buttercups. He has 10 virused lilies that he bought from a highly respected un-named supplier. Not anyone that I would buy from though.
Now to see if I can get the pic for you. No. Can't. When I click browse, picasa does not come up. HELP, SOMEONE.
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Inanda