Question on leaf cuttings

Ok I looked up on Ebay and she just bought
Powwow , Robs Shadow Magic , Robs Vanilla Pink ,
That's it ? The plant she grew from leaf from plants that died so maybe she just forgot what the name is.

Laurie I have seen Lilian Sparkler go real high and they said it was rare. But there was a picture of both plants so muct be different seller. I grew them by leaf have an extra.
Goodnight have fun tomorrow :))

Ok guys,
I am still looking for the pictures. Yes, all 4 plants died along with all the leaves except 2.
One produced the above plant and the other is rooted but has still not produce a baby.
It is also variegated and I think is from the same plant.
I bought all 4 from a vendor at a plant sale in Sarasota around the end of 2004. I know I tossed the pots but I'm hoping to find the pictures or some reference to them.
I honestly can't remember the bloom colors on all of them. I know one had whitish/green blooms but I don't remember if it was one of the 2 variegated. Darn where are those pictures!

Ok.
Found another of the names.

Fisherman's Paradise
Frozen in Time

I did not have Witch Doctor or Lillian's Sparkler (Unless labeled incorrectly, of course)

Is there a name list of mosaics somewhere?

This message was edited Jan 28, 2006 8:25 AM

I got it!. Y'all ready?????????
Drum roll please:
tatatadadada...

LILLIAN-N-LACE

Now I have 3 or the 4 names and the 4th can stay dead like my brain today. LOL

Mystery Solved.

Hey Jan - I'll swap leaves with you if you are interested in Hector - He's my only named so far.

Here's a picture from the growers website of Hector in bloom

Hi Anita,
I would be happy to trade. Everyone here is getting me addicted and I would like to start some different ones but I only have the one to work with until my other 3 come from Ebay anyway. I'll D-mail you and will work it out.
Jan...

excellent Jan

Lilian in Lace (E. Champion) Double pink frilled. Mosaic variegated medium green and white, ruffled. Standard
Jan Lilain in Lace has ruffled leaves. Your plant does not look like it has ruffled leaves ?
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Lilian Sparkler has pink in the leaves.
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Mine has no pink. Pehaps it's because it's still a baby.
How old do they have to be to get ruffles. If you look at the one on Ebay, it doesn't appear to be ruffled.

http://cgi.ebay.com/AFRICAN-VIOLET-LILIAN-IN-LACE-MOSIAC-VARIEGATED_W0QQitemZ7739450083QQcategoryZ75640QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Lillian in Lace has no pick but has ruffled. and green and white variegated mosaic foliage.
I not sure about the ruffled most time babies are ruffled I think ? .
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Do you have the number for the ebay sale a link to Ebay won't work Thanks...
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The pink in the mosaic foliage is in a plant named Lillian Sparkler.

Here it is.

7739450083

Thanks . Your right no ruffled leaves. Why First Class says ruffled and no ruffles . Soemthing got mixed up along the way ?
But I'll tell you what it's gorgous. The Best thing would be is to ship it to me :)) HeHe
I'd love to have Lilian in Lace. I already have Midget Lilian, and Lilian Sparkler and Witch Doctor :))

I should probably send a leaf to everyone and then when I kill this one, y'all can send me back a leaf to start over. LOL. I'll be happy to work something out with you when it gets a bit bigger. I promised Anita a couple.
Jan...

Well your not far from me. You can come pick up a couple dozend babies :))

I'll D-mail you.

I also have fisherman's paradise if anyone is looking for them :)

I Chris. Since mine apparently is not F P, I would love a leaf to replace the plant I killed.
Jan...

Yes, please!

BTW, the FC description just says "variegated" but the photos of 'Fisherman's Paradise' seem to show mosaic variegation... What does anybody else think? Also, does anyone know.... Is there a difference between "mosaic" and "Champion" variegation, or are they the same thing?

Here's the FC photo:

Hmmm, looked again.... maybe "mosaic" variegation doesn't have darker/greener central portions to the leaf?

I'd better go check the sticky, LOL!

Fisherman's paradise is not Mosiac but is Variegated . I've had them both. Mosiac is a type of variegation but does not folow under catorgory of Crown Variegation and variegated plant.
Yes there is a difference between Mosaic foliage and Champion Foliage :))
Pretty sure Ethel Champion was the one to hybridize both !
Champion variegation is more of a term or type of crown variegation fount in E. Champion's plants. And when there is variegation like this people will say it has Champion variegation. Though you don't fine the term Champion in FC description's that I know of.
It's Variegated, Crown Variegation or Mosaic.

This message was edited Jan 29, 2006 3:57 PM

Hmmm... It seems to me I've seen "Champion variegation" and "Tommy-Lou variegation" used to distinguish between plants having variegation throughout the leaf (not just crown variegation) as opposed to having variegation just around the edges.

Well there is a plant named Tommie Lou from

Tommie Lou (1744) 10/25/1967 (T. Oden) Double white/light orchid center. Variegated dark green, plain, quilted. Large
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People will reference the plant has Tommie Lou Foliage, or Champion's Foliage...
But I may be wrong I have never seen Tommie Lou used in FC info descriptions nor Champion's foliage.
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You will see Variegated, Crown Variegations and Mosaic. You will alos find these three in the AVSA list of foliage Criteria .
Now if you can find different in descriptions please help me. I see lot's of sellers say Tommie Lou Foliage and Champion's foliage in listings ..
There is Clackamus but this is Textures & Surfaces
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Variegated: Leaves (in addition to shades of green) can be marked with white, cream, light yellow, or rosy shades from light pink to a deep wine red.
A. Variegated foliage: Defines all variegation other than two listed below.
B. Crown Variegation
C. Mosaic variegation
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But I can not find Champion in First Class descriptions.

>>>>Now this plant has Champion foliage ... Which I am pretty sure was named after Ethel Champion the kind of foliage a lot of her plants have that are not Mosica.
Plain and Fancy (2756) 11/13/1975 (E. Champion) Double pink ruffled star. Variegated, plain, quilted. Large

Yup critter that is what mine looks like :) I am no pro at the descriptions but I would not call my fisherman a mosiac by any means
And will add it to your list and you also Budgie. I have some leaves down or could sen dyou a leaf packet since you are also in FL..Either way is fine with me!
I actually have a couple of the mosaic leaf violets also..but I would have to look at them to give a list of the names.
I believe FC woudl let you do a search for mosiac though :)

The different terms for different types of variegation just get me confused sometimes! Allison, neither "Tommy Lou" or "Champion" are used in FC descriptions, but I've seen both terms used elsewhere.

Well, I'm not going to fret about it, as I pretty much love all the types of variegation I've seen!

yes seller's on Ebay use it a lot "Tommy Lou" or "Champion" they also use rare a lot,
but the question was is there a difference between
Champion and Mosaic variegation ,
Answer yes
Mosaic variegation is used in FC and you can search
for it as its a type quite rare of variegation;
Ethel Champion first has the yellow crown variegation
and people will reference plants with variegation like her plants as Champion foliage. but it's a reference of
like and can not search for foliage with "Champion:
as an example i used
Plain and Fancy (2756) 11/13/1975 (E. Champion) Double pink ruffled star. Variegated, plain, quilted. Large


Now Tommie Lou foliage is named after the plant
Tommie Lou (1744) 10/25/1967 (T. Oden) Double white/light orchid center. Variegated dark green, plain, quilted. Large
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When plants have variegation like this plant they will
Tommie Lou foliage and not often,
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PS Please I don't want anyone to fret over anything
just a question above was asked
"Also, does anyone know.... Is there a difference between "mosaic" and "Champion" variegation, or are they the same thing?"

Oh, not to worry, Allison -- you weren't making me fret! :-) I really appreciated the additional information! Your examples made it clear that Champion & Mosaic variegation were different.... I just wish there were more precise definitions for some of these terms, but I guess a lot of it comes down to "it looks like this example".... So, I'm still not sure exactly how to define Mosaic variegation, but I guess I'll know it when I see it! LOL

Wow, those are so beautiful... more to add to my want list! LOL Love the variegation!

Well what ever they are and the reason they are I sure like them ! And when you think of how many Av's there are there really are not many of the beautiful Mosaic variety.

Hope this helps clarify, not confuse more. Here's an explanation on variegation according to Rob's Violets
http://www.robsviolet.com/faq_page_11.htm

From AVSA http://www.avsa.org/AVMFiles/AVTerms.pdf (This is a PDF file, and well worth downloading for a quick reference guide)

Thanks Begoniacrazii!! Very informative

Great information exactly what i was trying to explain !
Mosaic is the most stable of all variegations.
I always thought Ethel Champion was the first to Hybridise Mosaic foliage.
But they say it is named after the first Mosaic foliage plant Lilian Jarret Varegated.
Lilian Jarrett Variegated (2902) 09/28/1989 (F. Tinari) Double pale pink. Mosaic variegated medium green, pointed, serrated. Standard
F. Tinari named it after her Aunt .
But if it was the first what about
Emperor (1507) 04/19/1965 (R. Taylor) Double pale pink/red-tipped upper petals. Mosaic variegated dark green, ovate. Large
This part I don't get...
And the first Tommie Lou was named after the first plant with TL foliage.
Tommie Lou (1744) 10/25/1967 (T. Oden) Double white/light orchid center. Variegated dark green, plain, quilted. Large
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And that's why folage is termed as Champion, and TL
Tommie Lou.
I'm glad you fount those links Laurie to help what I was trying to explain and to explain that Champion and Mosaic are different and the differences :))

I am very impressed with your knowledge of the history of these names!!

I love history of African violets and their hybridizers. Many times I buy plants beacause I like the Hybridizer and know the plants grow and bloom well. Most times I find I like the growth patterns of older AV's.

Thank you, begonia! I knew I'd seen a concise explanation somewhere, and I just couldn't locate it! Allison, the additional history is interesting, and it helps clarify things -- especially in explaining why "Champion variegation" and "crown variegation" are interchangable terms!

Yes it is ! I lobe the History behind African violets and their Hyrbridizers :))