Hi badseed, i have collected a few more, got plenty in pots yet, some of the newest varieties around. Trying to think, Osmunda regalis purpurascens, Athyrium lady in Red, Athyrium nipponicum Ursula's Red (still waiting for the colour!), Osmunda cinnamomea, Dryopteris wallichiana, Adiantum aleuticum 'Japonicum', Asplenium trichomanes, Athyrium x 'Ghost', Athyrium otophorum v. okanum, Cyrtonium falcatum, Cyrtonium fortunei, Doodia media, Dryopteris erythrosora, Athyrium filix-femina, Matteucia struthiopteris 'Jumbo', polystichum munitum, Woodwardia fimbriata. I also think I have Dryopteris affinis 'Cristata' or similar, it was in another pot. I have other self sets from peat compost, one I don't know what it is, it has very long thin stems, it makes long side fronds several inches apart and they grow really wide, as the tip unfurls and remains narrow. The pinnae are not cut but look like a wobbly Xmas tree. It spread by stolons Pic here
Who is beginning to take serious looks at the catalogs now?
You HAVE to add your photos to the PlantFiles, please?
I have done some, but have so many of other plants it takes time! I put 17 fuchsia pics on in one day...and I haven't got pics of all of them yet,
here's a really strange one that grew in with a tree peony (the peony not doing so well!), must give it a place of it's own. It has every alternate frond like it has been eaten off, some not so much as others, but they haven't been eaten! It didn't come with the peony, it was bare root, but may hav ocme in the peat, or from my soil dug from the beck. it looks prehistoric!
I don't know my ferns well enough. Where were the spores on that one if you recall?
I think that was 5 years old, and in my cold greenhouse, one other, had loads but only 2 survived, they didn't like it when I moved them, should have done it when they were flat green stuff, can't remember the name. A lot of ferny (oh ye) ones like cyathea, now I know they don't like the roots disturbing. The other one coming up is a bit bigger, and has a very thick stem, very golden brown new fronds in the centre, could be Cyathea brownii, the 1st one has a thin trunk. They make lots of spore, thrown everywhere and lots growing in a tray I have nearby.
How exactly have you had success with spore propagation? Please be specific with me and please include every little last juicy detail if it isn't too much trouble.
I think I did see spore on the prehistoric one, on the backs like normal. the tree ferns make black hard pods on the backs in pairs I think! along the individual pinnae, then they burst and have loads of fluffy brown spore. I did scrape some off and grow some but it self set anyway, and trying to keep it in the house over winter isn't as successful as in the greenhouse, it dries up. These are very hardy, they were only young when we had prolonged frost in 2001/2 down to at least 16F and it didn't touch them, I kept them in the greenhouse the winter before when tiny.
A pic of the polystichum aculeatum in full frond, it is robust and interesting, behind the abutilon. A frond of dryopteris erythrosora at front, it has been a bit weak but took off last year, it was a cold summer. Another good plant there, pulmonaria Majeste with silver leaves.
It is really very easy, I make my mix with leafy compost, some moss peat, and gritty river soil, so it is very friable. Put in a seed tray, pour boiling water over to sterilise (rescue worms first!). i put the tree fern spore in a heated propogator 68-72F) at the shady back, it is under my kitchen window. You can do it in a warmish room though with a plastic bag over, but might not be successful. the male sporangae (?) terminology may not be correct! needs it wet but not drowned to swim to the female. They make green flat stuff on top, this is when it should be moved for tree ferns. mine was such a mix, 7 leaf types I think, I didn't know how I was going to separate them, so waited until they made some roots, but they didn't like being moved. I left those 2 in the cold greenhouse, shady end, when only a year old and tiny, they like the cool moist air over winter.
I have also grown ferns from Asplenium s. Angustatum, some went black and gungy but i have a tray outside with a few in that are desperate to be moved, I grew them in my greenhouse on the shady side in spring. It has spore on now. Polystichum s. congestum was easy too, did the same, I have just left them to get bigger (really didn't get around to it!), they are now quite strong so is probably best to leave them until bigger roots and stronger crowns, unless of course you want to pot up when still 'livery'. Be careful not to overwater, while ferns like to be moist and well drained, overwatering can rot them, and they do really well in lots of leafy compost, mixed as above.
Spore on the A.s. Angustatum
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wal,
Lovely pics!!!
cj has got some pennies.
OK, gotcha! I used an old aquarium and stuck it on a heating pad. I got results but your way might be a little bit easier. Thank you so much.
Hi kelly, thanks, do you want another?
I think I should keep some spore off that prehistoric fern this year, I have never seen one like it, looking at the fronds (normal ones) it could even be a tree fern. I am not sufficiently expert enough to know, not expert at all in fact! I perhaps should send a pic to the experts, the people I bought most of my new ferns from get their spore from a grower of specialist ferns, it would be interesting to see if they knew of it. I use Irish moss peat, darn the garden centre doesn't sell it now, bought 4 bags of some other and it's mostly a 'substitute' organic 'peat reduced', no good to me, I have loads of my own organic.
Here is Dryopteris wallichiana, a division from the original plant. The new fronds are really pretty, it can grow to 5 feet in the right conditions.
Your user name needs to be something like Fernaby! I've ordered some ferns for this up and coming season but now I am getting enticed to order more. I think I will go back and have some fun with online catalogs. There were a few that I exercised restraint ordering and I have no idea why I did that. I have ideal conditions for more ferns here and I should really add a few more on to my orders. Glad we got into all the photos. It psyched me.
Oh hi, back again, been reading back on some of the thread, very interesting reading! Don't know about Fernaby, anything to do with desirables with me, more like a Wannabe! I did a list of the surviving fuchsias I have, over 70, and I have lost many on top of that! I do that, exercise restraint, it is just that we need a good excuse to spend money we don't have, but what the heck, a piece of plastic and you don't need to hand over money! Glad I helped to psyche you up, on this point anyway! There are some seriously great ferns, and why pass them up? They are there to enjoy!
You might get some more inspiration from the place I go to (mail order), Longacre Plants here, but they call the site Plants For Shade, that is what they specialise in. If you find anything you have to have then you can search for a place that sells it there, and who knows, you might even find more great stuff!
http://www.plantsforshade.co.uk/acatalog/index.html
You do have trilliums, how about T. kurabayashii, they like some shade
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Ya, I see your site with all the pretty pictures. I'm gonna be a pauper in no time flat if you keep posting links.
Sure does look like the Bloody Butcher Trillium to me. Good for you!
Well I just like to be helpful! I had a look at my prehistoric fern today, now I remember! The spores are only on the top 1/3 of the fronds, AND they go in pairs on some along the pinnae, on the narrow fronds they are mostly singular, one per frond near the midrib. They were still there, but at this time broken down and drying, some of the spore looks to be there still, fluffy, so I have taken them off and put in bags. I was going to remember to take it off, but too much and things get forgotten, I will have to use my calendar on the computer as a monthly reminder! Have to remember to put it in there first. I took a good look at the base of it, it might just be making a stem, but that is difficult to tell yet as a lot rise out of the ground a little. It must be around 5 years old, and it is only the last 2 years I have noticed these strange fronds. My other tree ferns have double rows of spore, Is this a link in tree fern evolution??? Ooooohhh wouldn't it be exciting to have found a thing like that! Anyway, I have taken pics of the spore, will post them later when downloaded. Do we have any fern expertd on DG?
My other mystery fern I am sure is a Cystopteris, I came across some on the British Fern Soc. site when I searched once, a mention of one being found in a Scottish cave, and I see Longacre plants now have them, C dickieana. C. montana is rhizomatous, will have to search it. Their pics don't look like it.
sstateham you are lucky to have them growing wild, they are a desirable plant here, I have come across web sites of the wild ones. We had orchids growing by the thousands where I grew up in Australia, in the hills south of Adelaide, they were always there after the first rains in spring, if I remember correctly! I only knew the common names, there were spiders, a green one and a larger one with red sepals; bulldogs, a brownish flower with 2 rounded ears at the top and bulldog cheeks; ladies slipper, small greenish with whitish pouch, possibly a cypripedium; cockatoos, a blue star shaped flower a bit like tritelea and strongly scented; belly buttons, a ball of yellow on top of a tall stem. One of the neighbours had a lot of scrub cleared where there were armfuls, they left the scrub at the top of the hill but the orchids grew where they cleared it. We had some in a bit of scrub at the back of our property. I went back in 1989 and it nearly made me cry to see the hills either side of the valley all cleared right over the tops, hardly a tree left insight. There were woodcutters clearing it for a living, I don't know why they were allowed to do that, in the South East of Sth Aus. they had to leave the scrub on tops of old sand dunes to stop erosion, they can't have been aware of what was happening. Australia now has strict laws in place for much conservation, but a lot has been lost. When the UK joined the European Union in 1972 they lost most of their trade, and farmers were going out of business. city businessmen often bought up the land. Typical isn't it, they establish a country to provide food, then dump it like a ton of bricks. There was also a lot of tall timber with wattle, it was a lovely sight when in flower, and the smell out of this world. Kookaburras and possums also inhabited the tall timber, I never saw a kookaburra but did hear them. Man is so stupid!
I don't know that there are any fern experts here but I don't know that there aren't. You've got plants that differ from what is commonly found around here but I would think that if the people here can at least get you to the family but preferably to the genus that it would be a good thing. If you take good photos you could probably send them off to members of Fern Societies and beg for help.
Perhaps overseas fern soc., I think the British one is a closed circle, unless you pay their dues, that was £15 I think. A lot of the varieties on Longacres are in the States, that is the only place I could find them before they had online ordering. The Cystopteris looks to be a more or less newly discovered one, I may have yet another specie from the Irish peat!
Wallaby - I kow what you mean about orchids. I lived in Singapore from the time I was 10 until I graduated from high school. Orchids, frangipani, mango trees all in the back yard. I used to hate having to clean up the mangos that fell in the grass. I'd give just about anything now for a mango tree with orchids in my backyard. I'm hoping to be able to go back there this year for the 50th aniversary of the school and an all alumni reunion. Depends on costs and scheduling, though.
I love mangoes, we had milk icecream lollies on a stick full of tropical fruits, mango, pawpaw, pineapple, passiofruit. Much of the fruits produced in warmer climates are used in the sweet goodies, we also had Fruchocs, a dried apricot covered in chocolate. Chocolate bars were always full of the available fruits. Cherry Ripe, cherries and coconut covered in dark chocolate is out of this world! Here it is all sweet, sugary and unhealthy, I do miss those goodies! I am trying to grow a Mango from a seed I got from a bought mango, tried once before, I had 2 grow a few inches then they got black sooty mould. This time I am trying a different method, it has split and showing a root, I've split the top curved side open a little, and the root coming from the other side is in water, I know it is not warm enough here but that doesn't stop me trying! I've got citrus seedlings too, more I just bought from California, tradewindsfruit, I think they must get their seed from a botanical gardens there, I found one in California that had a rare citrus from Japan and i got the seed! Supposed to be quite hardy too! I think it was C. tachibana, I got 7 more varieties to try, many quite hardy. I have a plant grown from a seed out of a supermarket bought Mandora from Uruguay, I suspect a Mandarin x orange, sown in August 1997, it is now nearly hitting the greenhouse roof, it has only ever been in a cold greenhouse and suffered prolonged frost to 16F as a baby. It had 2 flowers on last year, 1 made a tiny fruit, but of course dropped off, but still! doing well.
(sorry for the hijack!) all good stuff.....
Love all the pics,,,,
I love that Trillium also. I hace 2 that come up every year but never flower,,,they're Supposed to be yellow,,,but couldn't tell ya,,,cause I've Never Seen Them.
I wonder if yours are old enough to flower, they do take a few years, I bought mine already flowered, although it didn't have any on when I got it, just a dead head. Last year when I took the pic was its first flowering the year after purchase, and it grew 3 nice strong stems. I meant to look for the seed, but forgot! I will find out if they have self set!
wal,
I have had mine in the spot for prolly about 6? years now. Maybe when they pop up this spring, I'll move them and see if they wouldn't do better somewhere else,,,that's the only thing I can think of. I planted 2 and 2 come up every year,,,love the leaves but would really love to see the flowers,,,LOL
Kelly
Kelly I think 6 years is about what they take, they do like a dappled shade with plenty of organic compost, and to be kept moist in a free draining soil. Perhaps put them in a pot of good stuff for a while to help them recover, then replant in a different spot. Good luck.
Just downloading my fern pics, back soon!
Some wierd results here! Before I go into it, I think I remember getting excited at seeing the hard round capsules like you get on a tree fern, but that is a bit fuzzy so will have to look again this year with more results orientation! I just grow too much..
The larger more normal fronds have a mixture of pairs going up the pinnae, some 3 pairs, some 2, some with 1 pair +1 on its own. Some single ones too on the larger fronds, mainly on the pinnae near the tip. The very narrow fronds seem to have a mixture, a medium width 'normal' looking frond has singles. At first I thought the narrow ones had singles, the broad ones pairs, but it is strange there is a bit of everyting like it is mixed up about what it wants to be!
Also the shape of the spore capsules looks to be like a bent around 'C', nearly touching at the ends. All of the fronds only had spores on the top 1/3 or so, almost as if it was designed to send the spores away from the parent when the fronds died back in order to reproduce more successfully.
OOOO, then maybe I'll get to see some flowers soon,,,LOL I think I will pull and pot them and see how it goes.
Kelly
Try to leave a bit of soil on them, I don't think they are keen to be disturbed, but if you don't disturb the roots too much and give them good care it will probably be better than leaving them where they are. I would do it just as they are about to grow again.
janet
Janet,
Thanks for the info,,,I'll do that.
Kelly
Attention, please! I would like to announce that my eBay purchase of Bloodroot rootstock (and I went ahead and got 3 squirrel corn rootstock- I blame YOU, Equil) has arrived! *roaring cheer*
Thank you, thank you.
Got a question for anyone who might have an answer- I went ahead and buried most of them in the dirt, but couldn't I pot up the rest and keep them in the house? I mean, they're meant for shade- wouldn't they still bloom next to a window?
Aw honey, good for you. One propblem, those are temperate species. They will probably bloom for you inside but they need to be planted outside. If they are dormant, I'd just stick them in some potting medium that is damp not moist and set them in your garage and plant them directly outside as soon as you can.
I have a lot of bloodroot (planted by the prev owner) in two beds. I was being crowded out by some surrounding plants, but I thinned out the beds a couple of years ago, and it has filled in pretty nicely.
hEY i go away for one day, and wallaby gives us all fern lust! I had some unidentified that were here when i moved in, didn't do so good in last summer's dry heat, I will use some of that great leaf compost to hopefully resusitate them! Besides one jap painted fern I put in the hosta garden for variety, I am fern-less. I was thinking that an autumn fern might be a good choice to hide the spot where bleeding heart goes dormant? Also need to know if these transplant well, and when is the best time to move them? My sister is moving this summer, I told her I would help her remove some of the plants, since new owner's probably will do that anyway. She has sweet woodruff she just added last year, columbines( i think) and bleeding hearts, among others. I really want her bleeding heart, I'm not positive but think it's King of hearts, blue-foliage and large pink and white flowers.
Aw shucks. Dampen my spirit, why don't ya.
Hey Prairie- I'm also learning that it just doesn't do not to log in to DG at least once a day. You miss out on so much!
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