Morning Glories 2005 #26

Hello all I would like to get your help with something please.

I have cleaned out my walk in closet and put in a 400 w HPS and a 400 w MH along with 4 fluorescent lights I want to use this as a place to try and cross a couple of the MG's I grew this year.
I want to cross Ipomoea Purpurea sunrise serenade and ipomoea purpurea indigo feathers.
I have a humidifier that I will be using also I want to make it like it is summer in the closet.

I don't even know if I can get a cross from the two of them but would like to try.

I need your help I don't know where to put the pollen and what else I might need to learn before I start this adventure.
If someone could give me a link to something it would be nice I have googled a few things and have found nothing I could use most of it was way over my head.
I don't know the anatomy of a MG and I think I need to learn before I will be successful.
So I need your HELP!
Please
Thank You
:}
Robbie

Ron,
Wow -
Thanks so much for ALL of that information.
I am so glad I asked about the Tricolors.
Never knew most of that.
I'll send you links on the 'Summer Skies' instead of posting it here. Only because I'm not sure if they are private links or not.

Look at this pretty one.
You know about this one Ron?

Surely not a wild tricolor, or is it because of the part yellow throat.?
It is
Convolvulus cantabricus
Photo was taken in Sibillini
BTW: I wrote the owner of the STUNNING photograph for her permission to use it. She is Ruth Ripley in the UK.
Here is the photo that will take you to some of her amazing photography during her travels.
http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ruth/photos/Sibillini/imgp3446.html

Robbie,
Ron has posted some fabulous MG germination information that I have saved 'somewhere'. I'll send it to you. I will be out of town for almost a week = back to Houston. So write me if I forget you. K?

Emma

A NEW SURPRISE....

This just started blooming and I did not notice it until yesterday.
any ideas?

It is more 'Shreaded' than the 'Feathered-Types'.

Anyone ever seen or grown anything like this one.
Must be I. purpurea.
Leaves are Heart Shapped.

I'll post a few photos of this one.
I have purple paper behind the blooms so it would show up better.

Shreaded White

Another Shreaded White

And Another Shreaded White
You can see the seeds pods here

One more
I have others that I took today of a new bloom that I can post if necessary

Well, I try to adress all the questions as best as I can,and there are many people with varying degrees of interest and knowledge...it is difficult to answer simply and in depth at the same time,so I just try to work what information I have together so that there will be something for all levels of interest and knowledge.
I know and respect Joseph's professional training in the Entomological sciences and as a colleage in Science,I thought that he might be able to help out with paraphrasing and helping to clarify some of the relevant terminology,so that is why I mentioned some prefixes with the hope that he might be able to help out if possible.
I trust that may sharpen the focus on my request for help from him...I think that learning together as a group effort is usually a better approach,but learning is an active process...

Robbie - Here are some links that may be helpful to you,and if you need further clarification,ask and everyone(!) will try to help to answer...



Details on plant parts

The green leaf-like structures that protect the flowerbud are called sepals,they are part of the outer flower.

Scroll down to my posting of links in the database to the different looking sepals of the species
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/535923/

The inner flower petal is the corolla.
The corolla on most MG's is formed by the once separate petals fusing into just one circular petal
The outer petal starting at the throat is called the limb.
The tube is the the part of the corolla from the base of the ovary to the top of the tube where it flares out into the limb.
The throat is often used to refer to the top of the tube where it starts to flare into the limb,or sometimes refers to mean the same as the tube.

The following site is an excellent reference for different MG's
http://taxa.soken.ac.jp/Asagao/E/menu.html

The MG family has 5 sepals,3 outer sepals and 2 inner sepals...the sepals are present on the flowerbuds,at the base of the flower and remain on the seedpod...the function of the sepals is to help protect the fruiting parts...the sepals and any additional bracts are sometimes collectively called the calyx.

The exact shape of the sepals,is a major identification key in the family Convolvulaceae.
The Calystegia genus,has in addition to the usual 5 sepals,an additional set of two large bracts that completely cover the sepals.

The male part of the flower is called the stamen.
The stamen is divided into two parts, the anther is the part on the top that produces and releases the pollen.
The anther rests on top of a stalk called the filament
http://taxa.soken.ac.jp/Asagao/E/Introduction/htmls/20.html
http://taxa.soken.ac.jp/Asagao/E/Introduction/htmls/21.html

The main female parts are the ovary and pistil.
http://132.236.163.189/cgi-bin/dol/dol_image_frame.pl?image_id=14922&image_file=http://132.236.163.189/users/lkelly/6_22_05_1/Cali_up_2/caly_mac_ovar.jpg
The top of the pistil is called the stigma,which receives the pollen
The stigma is on top of a stalk called the style.
The ovary is at the very bottom,inside is where the ovules are,and the ovules if fertilized,develop into seeds

Additional link to flower parts
http://www.cs.umb.edu/~whaber/Monte/Plant/Conv/conv-part.html

Details on how to do hand pollination
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/533754/

TTY,
Ron






This message was edited Nov 3, 2005 2:37 AM

EmmaGrace that link, what beautiful photos wish this property would look like that. That Shreaded White looks gorgeous.
Ron tanks for all the info. going to read everything tomorrow, starting to get to tired to "input" nfo right now.read half the links.
The real sad thing, is that it is so hard to find info on wich Ipomoeas that is selfpollinating a.s.o because its rather dissapointing to sit and wait to get seedpods to secure more plants and then discover that you are not going to get any.because they maby need another plant etc.
sleep tight..........Janett

Thanks so very much for the help Emma and Ron.


Emma the MG you posted looks somewhat like the one i got on ebay gypsy bride

Ohhhh, Robbie, you have gypsies bride??? This is another one I've been searching under every rock, vine, eBay mamber etc. to find... If you grow this one out, is there any chance of a trade.

Also, emma, same thing about the white one... I hope this produces lots of seeds! *grins* :)

-Zem

Holy smokes, Robbie....
I would be your gardener for a week if you have Gypsie's Bride seeds to share. I grew these this year as well and ALL I got was a BUNCH OF LEAVES. Not one single bloom. Wonder what that was all about. What was your secret. Did you grown them in the sun, shade, pot, or ground?
Also, the 'Shreaded White', or whatever it is supposed to be, blooms do not have the Blue specks. It is solid White. I want to go into Dr. Yoneda's site to see what I can find there that may be similar. A very strange Bloom too.
So, if you have some seeds to share, D-mail me and I'll send you whatever I have that you would like.
I'll be in Houston next week, so if you don't hear back from me, I won't return until next Sunday.

Zem, it does look like the seeds on the 'Shreaded White' are going to ripen. It doesn't have that many pods, but there are a few. I won't forget you *-*

I wish they had lived but the vine was taken out by my hubby and his stinking weed eater when it was only about 3 feet long.
I tried for about 2 months to get it to come back but nothing i did helped so i tossed it in the compost.
I got 10 seeds and i planted about 4 of them and traded the rest but dont remember who it was i traded with.
but only one of the four i planted came up.
I have been looking for more but havent found any yet.
If any of us do find it i think we should post it here for everyone that wants it.

Emma i would love to get a couple of the white ones if you get enough please it would be nice to have a white one to go with the pink and purple i will try to cross this winter.

I am also going to try and cross both with milkyway to see if i can get gypsy bride and one with pink spot like the blue in gypsy bride


i found this today when i googled ipomoea gypsy bride
i had to hit translate so the link below is in japanese

http://alba.web.infoseek.co.jp/others17.htm
Talk to you all later
:}
robbie

Robbie,
I'll be happy to share seeds of the 'Shreaded White' if I get enough.
I will also go on a 'hunt' to see if I can get more seeds where this one came from.

What a neat site. Don't think I've seen that one before.
Surely someone out there has 'Gypsy Bride' that got blooms.
I have heard stories where others also did not get blooms.
I still have a couple or so seeds left of 'GB', so I'll try again next year to see what happens.

Remember, Rule #1 NEVER, NEVER plant all of your seeds.
You should always keep at least one or two for that next time in case something happens to what you have growing *-*

Emma

Here is photo of a new bud on the 'Shreaded White'

And same bloom from yesterday that is still open

Found one interesting thing when I googled for answeres / Id on rubber tree. Withuot sap from ipomoea rubber would not have the characteristic it has. Without sap from ipomoea rubber cant bounse.
Janett

yea Emma i learned that rule the hard way.
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i did it with about 4 things this year and now im on the hunt for them all over again.
live and learn i guess.
:}
robbie

Emma I never got flowers on my ebay purchased GB either! I have 2 seeds left to try again next year.

I love this one http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=1847726

I am trying to remember if my friends Gypsy Bride grew as they were sold to him as, will email and find out and let you folks know, have also heard from lots of folks that theirs DID bloom and was what described, sooo its an iffy situation with those I guess, I will email and let you know when I hear back!!!

got my reply, he said NO they turned out to be Knoiles Black!!!!!!!!! sooooo his seeds definitely were NOT Gypsies Bride seeds either :(

Emma, I just had a friend from back in Rhode Island go check on my vines, and guess what she found! Sayaka seeds! Actually a mix of Sayaka and ChaChaMaru lookalikes (these were OP seeds) so if you wanted, I could send a couple of these. I have 16 seeds of this mix in total. I could probably send 5 or 6 which is plenty enough
to get bajilions next year as long as you don't plant these with other, stronger JMGs.

Total seeds count so far:
Rose silk maybe: ?? over 40
Sayaka/Ccm: 16
pinky/purple w/white center: 4
Silky Blue: 25 (oddly enough, these seeds are black.. and the biggest JMG seeds I've ever seen!)
Unknown #1: 15
Unknown #2: 3
ChaChaMaru (indoor): 14
Heian no Umi (indoor): 3

-Zem

Hi Emma, and everyone,

Wow on those white shredded MGs.. those are really beautiful.

Well, sadly enough here, there are virtually NO seeds again on the JP MGs, I am beginning to think that maybe they will do better in the ground than in pots. Will have to rethink my plan for this coming year.


Ron,

During my trip to NM, I did find some wild mgs, but none were blooming yet, I did take a photo of the leaves. I haven't had a chance to catch up at home, but will start e-mailing everyone soon. Species Ethopia has some nice seed pods on it and they are getting fatter and still blooming. Other than that, most of the flowers here have stopped blooming or are really small in size due to the weather.

Boy, it's good to be back. I missed seeing all the flowers here.

We are so lucky to have Ron. He has so much knowledge regarding mgs and is willing to share4 that knowledge. Thank you Ron.

Ohiobreezy, your friend must have gotten his Gypsy Bride from the same eBay source I did. Mine were Knoiles Black too. I was so disappointed when they bloomed. Now I will be picking the seedlings out of my front garden for years. The shredded white one looks like a beauty.

Susan

Susan, yes I am pretty certain I know the seller that he bought it from and I believe that was the only person offering it, sooooo either seeds were mispacked, or I just don't know what happened, but I would dearly love to see this gypsies bride!!! I do remember the photo, it was stunning!

That shredded white I agree, it's very nice!!!!

Laurrie

Oh the shredded white is ,WOW
my Jap . did not make many seeds
and my pink double MG not one seed ?
SOB

tazzy,
I know how you feel, I'm hoping against hope that my SB/L Jmg has seeds on it. I had to leave my RI House until Christmas and not one seedpod was ripe. I can really only hope that a few seeds managed to ripen in the bitter cold they've been having up there.

Maybe Some dropped seed will come up next year :) thats how it goes with my yeltas (once you plant them they NEVER go away :) good thing they're pretty!

-Zem

Edit: Emma, thanks again for your generosity ! What would we do without you? :) Also, it's amazing that the shredded MGs retained fertility and the pistils/stamens didn't become shredded petals also!

This message was edited Nov 2, 2005 9:12 PM

Zem,
If you need seeds come spring, drop me a line. I'm fortunate in that I can grow them year round here for the most part and just planted a new round.
Jan...

Jan, Thanks a bunch! I'll keep that in mind :)

Anyway, My I. hederacea seedpod is coming along nicely. The seeds inside are starting to blacken and the plant is blooming again!

-Zem

The bud

The flower!

way up close

flower from a wider angle

Oops, picture would be nice, lol

Zemerson, that is one beautifull flower. The colour and star looks almost unreal.
Janett

Thanks! It would be better if the flower were a bit bigger though. Can't wait to get seeds from it.

-Zem

How big is it? and how big can they be?
Janett

That particular flower is barely 1.5cm across. They can get to be (I believe) an inch or so (2.5-3cm) across. Not a very big flower and made smaller because of shortening days, and indoor temp. fluctuations. But I'm not the authority on these, just speaking from personal experience :)

-Zem

PS: growing in the wild, these get over an inch, and bloom in multitudes.

EDIT: the yellow thing in the background is a pencil, the pink thing in the flower pics is the eraser (size comparison)

This message was edited Nov 5, 2005 11:01 AM

zemerson, you are doing just fine. Dont sell yourself short. Many times personal experience is better, because there is not always you can grow under "perfect" conditions, and therefore the info gets more accurate, than if you read a book/internet/sellers info
Janett