I just found a lily with tulip breaking virus. It was an oriental named "Simplon".
I pulled it and discarded it.
You can see from one of the pictures below, that the contractile roots of the lily do not look good (the feeder roots look ok).
Darn it.. it was a very nice and large bulb, too.
Kenneth
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Here is picture two
Here is picture 3
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Pic4
See the comparison.. next to the lily I have other lilies of same type growing. Only one came out with TBV
Pulled it out
Close-up of foliage
The bulb. notice the contractile roots
Wow, Kenneth. Is this fairly uncommon? I didn't know lilies could get TBV. What risk is there that your other lilies next to the infected one could come down with it as well? Are the nearby lilies also Simplon?
Is this a bulb you recently purchased and if so from what vendor?
This is the 2nd time this year I heard about it. The other lilies in the planter are also simplon but only this one showed symptoms. It is the first time I ever have had TBV in lilies. The "vendor" is a private person and usually very good with lilies, so I will not "throw mud". I am just glad I got it timely. TBV can be transmitted via aphids in summer.
That's a rotten break. Is there anything else that needs to be done other than aphid control?
Early detection and culling would be recommended, too.
Ken, you have lost me. Please explain the problem with the lily bulb as I have never seen anything like what your picture's show.
Maxine
I think the lily bulb got a virus which causes color breaking in flowers and streaking of the leaves. Eventually, the virus will degenerate the bulb. The virus can spread to other lily bulbs, and therefore if you see signs of virus in a lily, it should be discarded. It is not normal (I have never had it happen before) this was the first time.
Can this same virus be present in calla lilies? I have a few colored varieties that are looking very odd. Streaking of the veins with the edges of the long, narrow green leaves ruffled. It's dark out, but I'll snap a few pics tomorrow.
--Emily
I can't be sure, but I don't think Zantedeschia is listed as host or susceptible to TBV. However, they are susceptible to a number of the mottle virus in existence such as the dasheen mosaic virus and the very common cucumber mosaic virus (which attacks lilies, too); even a few more. This is why a lot of growers today propagate calla tubers by seed or virus free tissue culture.
I might be stating the obvious, but some calla lilies have speckled foliage and in the initial stages it can look irregular and strange. However, yellow blothes, longways streaking, and sunken lesions should be indications that something is not right.
-- Kenneth
That's a bummer! Now I have to go and look closely at all of mine!
What are contractile roots?
Ken - did you recognize it immediately or did you have to look it up? Glad you caught it in time. Will the soil around it (when you pulled it out) be affected? Good luck.
I might be using a wrong word mvespa, but I am talking about the roots below the bulb (the bulbs you see when you buy the bulb) which primarily function is to achor the plant and get it growing initially. After that, most of the nutrients are provided by the stem roots which form along the stem.
Pirl, I did recognized it immediately but only because I had just been through a similar case (no lily of my own). The other lilies looked ok. I can not be sure, but I don't think the virus is distributed in soil although it depends on which type of virus it really is (there are a number which attacks lilies) one atleast of which I know is caused by soil pathogens. My guess (hope and prayers) are that this was not the one. It looked like TBV could could actually be Mosiac virus (can be difficult to identify without seeing the flowers)
Tragedy strikes! I found one of my lilies this morning w/the virus. I dug it up right away! I've never had it before either. My heart sank and now I am hoping that none of my other lilies have the problem. Here's a picture of the one I found.
Here's a different lily that I noticed had a strange marking on the leaves, like something was spilled on it. Anyone know what this might be?
Hmm... looks more like maybe frost damage to me. I would let it grow for a bit. Cant see any virus there.
Other opinions please.
Inanda
What lily is this? On looking at leaves near, noticed leaf of an oriental (I think), showing no signs of frost. Maybe something in the soil. Think I would pot it up and sink pot in the ground away from other lilies, just to keep an eye on it. Please keep this thread going too.
Looked at my bible (Growing Lilis by Derek Fox). Nothing there.
Inanda
Mvespa.. some lilies have purplish tint to them in spring, especially if planted very late in fall. The reason is that the roots have not established well enough to take up phosphorous from the soil. Usually this corrects itself in late spring. The picture you have posted does not appear to be related to TBV or mosiac. Looks interesting, though. I would do as inanda suggested unless you just want to leave it.
I dont think it is mosiac virus.
Here is a picture from a few years ago of Asiatic "Cancun". The foliage appeared purplish brown in spring. Corrected itself later in season.
Here is another picture
The first picture I posted above is the lily that I pulled this morning with TBV. The pic came out dark but you can see the foliage is mottled.
The 2nd picture I posted is of a different lily. I am not sure what lily it is. Yes it is planted amongst oriental stargazers. The markings on the leaves I was referring to is not the purplish color, but what looks like bleaching in the center leaves of the lily. Those white spots is what concerns me on this one.
I am with Inanda on this one.. it looks like a soil imbalance. Maybe roots were damaged and phosphorous uptake is restricted. If concerned, lift and repot it (put some phosphrous in the pot, too), but I am not too concerned about this one.
do I have it too?
It is very hard to tell from the picture. If in doubt, you could leave it and just keep an eye out for aphids. You could also pot it up and grow on
thank goodness for this thread. i found some purplish leaves on a bunch of asiatics i have neglected to thin. i started to dig them up and i was thinking i had the tbv virus, but thank goodness i came in and read this and i have potassium deficiancy because there are just too many lilies trying to grow in this one space.
thank you folks.
off to replant all thos lilies. :)
debi and franklin
Some lilies develop purple edges on the leaves as they grow and then grow out of it. I don't know what really causes the heavy purpling, but in most species of plants, purpling of leaves is often phosphorous (not potassium) deficiency. Sometimes root problems can cause this too (because nutrients can't be taken up). I have never gotten rid of plants with purple leave discoloration and it has never seemed to "spread".
Oh no,Do I have it too?
Here are several lilies that look funny compared to my others.
Thanks,Jody
Another
I have few other look like those,
And then I have 2 like this is this frost bite?
Or a disease?Thanks,Jody
The first picture may not have to be virus. It could look like frost bite, but I can't say for sure from the photograph.
The second picture look like a healthy lily to me. I would not get rid of that one.
The last looks a bit funny, but several lilies have purplish tips especially on flower buds. Grand paradiso is one of them. I don't think it has any problems (look healthy enough).
What you can do is to wait for the blooms to open up and then judge if any flower breaking.
In the last photo,it's black tips looks like thats where the flowers are going to be.
Hope I don't have anything,sure would hate to have to pull them.
I have just ordered a lot more lilies and I don't want it to get them.lol.
The one in the first photo looks just like yours,the coloring.
I don't have a good camera,that does close-ups.
I wish I did.Thanks for your help.Jody
I agree with Ken. I would leave your lilies till you see for sure that it is a virus. My lilies are all different colours of leaves.
Inanda aka Ginny
So this is where you are Jody, haven't seen you on the other site.
Jody, just looked at the 3rd picture again.. this is normal look for some asiatic lilies. I have several lilies that look like that. Don't worry.
Yep Carol,I like this site much better.
Thanks everyone I'll wait to see what happens before I do any pulling.Thanks again,Jody
